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Howdy folks. Hot and humid here....just in from a bike ride. Jake is on his gel pad (present from LF) that turns cool from pressure....keeps his tummy cool. He has been digging in the bushes so a bath is in order. Just wrote a big check for wind and hail coverage so I will be poor for awhile. One of the draw backs of retirement....not much money coming in. Jake doesn't mind as long as I feed him or as he say's two hots and a cot. Funny I went to Costco and bought the critter $70 dollars worth of goods and 18 eggs for me Not much going on so as always...... Cheers Ladies and Gents

Finlandia vodka, Duggans, Crème De Cocoa. Shake exactly 81 times with gusto. Garnished with fresh mint. Next time will swirl chocolate syrup in chilled martini glass and garnish with Hershy Kiss, mint, and shaved chocolate. On a full moon you only need 64 shakes.....gravitational pull thing you know

Looks good, the first martini I ever had was a chocolate martini and it was good, the second martin I ever had was made by Carl in Hope and it was even better than the first, by far. 123 pounds he doesn't look that big, but I'm sure it feel's like it picking him up, you better stay in shape.

Hello and good afternoon everyone.... Mark, I too am curious to Carl's question for you... Back to the EAW thing.... I decided to check Google images for your speakers... Are you getting the Italy from a label on your bass drivers? I saw an EAW woofer that said Italy, which is probably one of a number of sources building their drivers... LOOK at your input panel, and I am sure it will say EAW, Whitinsville, MA., where they are at three addresses in the historic mill building... Let me know what you find on the rear panels..... ;0) Monday is the FIRST holiday of 2015 for this laborer :0)) Looking forward to a long weekend of music listening in Music Hall starting tomorrow evening, followed by our concert performance on Sunday.... Monday to play around the house, planting tomatoes and listening to the new outdoor audio system.. On the way (arriving tomorrow) a matching weather proof subwoofer will be added to this system and that should raise the 'fun factor' a notch or two ;0)) ....more later... ....Gary

Happy Thursday guys. Crummy weather continues here but it's given me time to work on some old tunes I like. Still no calls from Carnegie hall or Nashville, however. Damn the bad luck! Mark, I love the speakers. Afraid I'd have to get some foundation work if I had those, but they look and probably sound fantastic. Have a great day everyone and, of course, cheers.

Morning Gang I do beleive a farm run is on the agenda today, wire in the sub panel. First cup of the Dickinsons Grind tasting mighty fine. On my return home yesterday from jerrys shop of horrors, noticed left/rear brake hub making that metal noise we all like so much when pressing down the brake peddel, great, suppoes that will be a Fri day project. (Disc front AND rear , 3500 one ton Dually) Well, it's Thursday for all you workers, im sure you know that, last holiday till the fourth !

I didn't see a representative for Southern Rock. I would have put Lynyrd Skynyrd - Second Helping. Just hit play...

lower impedance loads start to look like a short to the amp and it will try to dump all the current it has onto the low impedance load and that is your heat, high resistance load give the amp something to push on and they are a much easier loads to drive. Hope that helps. .

Been payment free till a couple years ago. I took out a 15 year home equity loan that I should have paid off in 6. One car just has a little bit left to pay on it but Momma's getting a new one in August so there'll be that note for 4 years. I'd like to jump off the treadmill in 5 years or so.

Thanks Mark for the photo and info... Yes, yes on buying the big stuff now..... Mainly spending on house upgrades / maintenance, and getting all the duckies in the row....another 3 or so years to go ;0)

Hello friends, just in from work and checking the activities here in C&C.......... Having too much fun I see ! Nice drinks Chuck! YES, there will be photos of the deck system for you all, just have to finish it up, which I hope will be Saturday at least.... Don't get too excited about the sub, it is GREEN in color to match the '360' satellite system that TIC makes. It will live next to the grill and I am thinking that it will match the two umbrellas......BUT, I may paint it to match the deck colors, we'll see if green grows on me ... Also have to finish up some things with main speaker and subwoofer settings in the Longfellow Theater......... I moved the Velodyne out of there to live with the Khorns and the Pinnacle Sub-350 is out of the studio and went into the theater, a NEW environment for it, and adjustments will have to be made I'm sure... It won't play as low as the F-1500, but it has more power, and with DUAL 12" drivers (one BEHIND the other) it hits harder for explosional impact (did I just make up a new word??) Ok, off to the monthly motorcycle rider club meeting, then to an Italian dinner experience afterword.. Catch you all a bit later.. ..........Gary

What ingredients? I normally use raspberry/chocolate vodka and cream de cacao.

Well that good, your almost guaranteed to not have damaging hail or high winds now.

Yes pictures, put it under the grill when you want to turn what your cooking, just turn up the volume. Sounds like something Carl would do, he tends to build monster subs Just starting to rain again here, it skipped yesterday just long enough to heat up everything and get the humidity high, it was thick outside.

Pictures are MANDATORY for subwoofers Gary. I didn't know if you knew the rules or not. OK, I don't want to alarm anyone but it's actually raining here! We haven't seen a drop since yesterday.

One of my all time favorite groups, along with Marshal Tucker, Outlaws. Molly H, CDB, Wet Willie, ABB. Many might ont agree with me on this. I see the progression as first Country Rock, Sir Douglas Quinter, the Byrds with Gram Parsons, Gram with Mick and Keef on Exile, Flying Burrito Brothers. From there you have both ZZ Top come out in 69, and CCR had many southern,swamp rock songs. From there LS evolves, ADD band goes from R&B to blues jam band to southern rock. Mojo lists them very high in their main book, but I am guessing not to influential. Good points. Another ex-Byrd whose work influenced many others was Gene Clark. (Dillard & Clark). Bernie Leadon worked with Clark before he became an Eagle. Chris Hillman was important and Roger McGuinn too. Some argue they made the Eagles possible or at least paved the way for them. Their work has been described as fusing folk, country, etc Somewhere in this mix there has to be room for Chuck Berry. He certainly influenced the Beatles, the Stones (see the video 'Hail, Hail Rock 'n Roll') and many others. Fats Domino has a place in all of this too, imo. I realize that not all of these guys made popular albums (and to that extent I may be getting off topic a little) but it's easy to confuse what was popular and what was influential and 'important.' Sometimes it's not the same thing. Cheers.

Do you have to pull your axles to get the rear rotors off?

Hey Mack....Welcome to the forum Just my 2 cents....I have my ChorusI's about 12" off the wall, I will bring them off the wall sometimes and sometimes I push them back a bit.....but for the most part there about a foot. Now my ChorusII's they stay closer to the wall. Now the port thing.....I've never played with the ports on mine......but hey give it a try.....see what you like....play with it. I have never put my Chorus in the corner and when I owned Cornwall never put those in the corner. Now imho the Chorus and the Cornwall are two different speakers. I have owned both....I like the Chorus line...that's me Have fun with your audio.... MKP :-)

Been payment free till a couple years ago. I took out a 15 year home equity loan that I should have paid off in 6. One car just has a little bit left to pay on it but Momma's getting a new one in August so there'll be that note for 4 years. I'd like to jump off the treadmill in 5 years or so. Yep same here wife just retired on the first and her only request was one more new car. Nevada move first.

MC4973X and the lower section MC4973LF split stacks Bi-Amped They also made a Tri-Amped verision of these , just drop the "X" on the top secion model number.

Over the past six months I've been slowly upgrading my home home theatre. Initially, it was a Sony HT in a box, it worked and sounded pretty good, for what it is. I've been dying to go all Klipsch with an Onkyo or Denon AVR. Thanks to friends and an awesome brother in law, I have a Denon AVR-890, Polk RT-1000P fronts, Polk PSW-10 Sub, JBL J-2060 Surrounds and a Polk CS-10 Center. The only thing paid for is the center, brand new for $96. Not bad for under a hundred bucks, damn near free for the most part. I really, really want all Klipsch, but every time I have some money, something more pressing comes up. This leads me to a very important lesson I learned very early in life, when I was about nine years old. Use what you have to the best of its capabilities and just enjoy it. It is certainly better than nothing. As a young guitar player, I had a "crappy" Harmony Rocket Electric guitar, Ross Distortion pedal and Sears Silvertone 1484 tube amplifier. All of my friends had good gear, but I always had great tone, was a fast learner and just flat out rocked. Most of them, well, not so much. The secret was to just use what I had, dial it in based on the strengths of each piece and stop chasing what I just simply could not afford. I applied this lesson to my current HT gear and have finally come to the point where I'm not chasing the last 5% of great sound. I've spent a bunch of time learning about each piece of gear, trying numerous settings, but mostly listening and dialing things in to sound as good as possible, in my room, to my ears. I feel that I have succeeded and love the sound. In my seating position I am completely immersed in the sound, whether concert, movie or audio. I'd be surprised, if not for that lesson I learned so early on in my life, but to me, it is pure truth. Too many times, we get wrapped up in specs, looks, wants and chasing our own tail, rather than using what we have, and most importantly, listening and enjoying. There is so much gear available today, at reasonable prices, that it's hard NOT to put together a good sounding rig, for not so much money, especially if you go to the used market and avoid impulse buying. I've listened to systems at friends homes, that cost a small fortune, and most of them don't sound nearly as good as my lowly, damn near free system. A few of the guys have come over and heard my system and couldn't believe their ears. I told them "the secret" and they asked me to go over and tune their systems. I said sure, but it would be tuned to my ears, not theirs, and that they really need to put the time into learning their gear in order to get the best sound for them, but would be happy to help them with it. An audiophile friend gave me the greatest compliment that I could ever hope for, "It doesn't suck." Lol. Eventually, I will have all Klipsch for my main HT. I truly feel that it is the best gear for reproducing sound, that I could possibly afford someday. I have Heresy's for my 2 channel rig, so I am not Klipschless, but for now, I'm just enjoying what I have and listening. Sorry for the long post, but I hope that my situation might help someone else in a similar position.

No wonder the LF is always smiling, you take good care of her. 64 shakes well there must have been no moon when Carl made his in Hope, it was 100 shakes, not 99 and not 101. It could be the elevation difference and geographical location, technical things those martinis are, I had no idea, need to remember where I'm at, and the moon phase !

I had to look them up, and yep it's what I though they were when you said green. Many years ago I heard some in a store and thought they sounded really good, went home and after thinking about it for a few weeks wanted to get a couple, So we went back to the store and they were gone, asked and they didn't know if they were going to get any more or not. they never did and I searched all over without finding any. It didn't help that I didn't know the brand name but everyone knew what they looked like but didn't know where to get them. Never did find them, but now were useing something else anyway. I do remember they had surprising sound and nice bass considering the size and being weather proof. Very nice

May not have caught you were a rider. BMW. or other? Thanks! Getting thirsty again. Women and men come to fiound out like delicious beverages, nice pic's an bonapetit 123 pounds...Holy smoker!

Critter had his bath....and I did as well. Lard butt is up to 123 pounds and I have to lift him into the car and into the bathtub After his bath we stopped by the ABC store for alcohol. Wanted to try a chocolate martini for the LF. First attempt was mighty tasty.

Pet Sounds, other than maybe Buddy Holly, is probably the single , influential of all of them in my opinion. It really is Brian Wilson, but the Beach Boys get to come along for the ride. I can here Pet Sounds tracks in many, many songs. harmonies, keys, major chords, minor chords. Most of all, Wilson transformed the studio and recording process to a completely different level. He took the pioneering work of Les Paul and with his genius turned it into what would be the standard for the modern multitrack recording process. It is not the Beach Boys that were influential, it was Pet Sounds, the work of Wilson, that is what was influential and griund breaking. People have expressed why it was so ground breaking far better than I can, some of which has been posted, but I like this article. http://mentalfloss.com/article/59457/15-facts-about-pet-sounds On Elvis, as a performer, he is probably the most influential artist of all time. I am not sure an lp captures it. Early Beatles are certainly Rock for that period of time and not Pop. Pop at that time was Pat Boone. They went into pop later on, because Rock took over Pop. To this day, Rock is the biggest selling genre of music soldnin the US. Which makesnine wonder why they stip call Pop, Popular. Rock is the most popular music purchased. Here is the link on Pet Sounds. I have really enjoyed reading the comments ALL have posted here. I have reevaluated several lps that have been mentioned in this thread. I hope WVU continues this kind of discussion with new threads every week or so, Top 10 Prog Rock Albums, Top Live Rock Lps, Top 10 Debut Rock Lps, Top Ten (whatever Anyine is interested in talking about). Travis

I sent Duder my Eminence 15C woofers since they have a better top end and sacrifice nothing on the bottom. Surprised he hasn't mentioned it.

What I like about this discussion is it doesn't focus on a single song or one's favorable group, it focuses on an album that has been influential or ground breaking. And I remember those times, and those groups. In those days, most successful bands made singles made to play for 2 minutes on AM radio. That drove the sales of 99 cent 45 rpm records, and then the single would drive the sales of the albums, which contained one hit song and 9 fillers. Bands would tour and to make an album everyone would meet up in the studio with their instruments and everybody would play the song. If you screwed up, they redid the entire take to get the studio recording. In the early years, the Beatles played what I would call bubble gum music, the Beach Boys played "beach music." Both groups were stereotyped in their genres, and of course, both bands got bored of playing the same-old same-old commercially oriented songs. Brian Wilson, the songwriter for the Beach Boys who also sang the falsetto parts, hated to tour. He was also competitive with the Beatles and said he wanted to "beat" the Beatles musically. In the early 60's Brian stopped touring while the band continued to tour. Brian who wanted to break out of the beach rock genre wanted to make a groundbreaking album. He went back to the studio where he could concentrate on producing and songwriting. The rest of the Beach Boys wanted more commercially successful songs. Brian wanted to make music his way, keeping the characteristic sound but breaking the mold on using 3 guitars, one lead, one rhythm and one bass, and add drums. That was the formula for rock bands in the 60's. Wilson conceived the idea of the studio band, where he laid down tracks where nobody knew what the song actually would sound like. He was criticized for that at the time for being a "studio" band. What Wilson came up with in 1966 was Pet Sounds. It used instruments which were NEVER used for rock and roll before, and it created a new sound, some even called it a marching band sound. Pet Sounds used heavy bass guitar and string bass, along with the 12-string guitar. There were 2 accordion players in some songs, there was saxophone. Here's a studio recording of some vocals on Pet Sounds: It would be groundbreaking for Pet Sounds based on HOW it influenced virtually all recordings to come after just based on the production alone. But Pet Sounds also has a profound effect on the Beatles, who loved Pet Sounds as they grew out of their own bubble gum music and grew musically. Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band was a direct result of the Beatles competing with the Beach Boys Pet sounds. And Pet Sounds was a direct result of Brian Wilson's love for the Beatles Rubber Soul album. That is why I would place Pet Sounds AS AN INFLUENTIAL ROCK ALBUM, as #1 in this list. You can put Sgt Peppers on the list as well, but it followed Pet Sounds and drew inspiration from it.

For 2-channel music, as close to an equilateral triangle as possible, IMO. For HT, as close to the sides of your screen as possible other wise the imaging will be way too wide. I used to have my RF-63's deep into the front corners toed in to my LP and when panning occurred on the screen, the sound appeared to come from off the screen either to the right or the left. Moved them in about 2 feet closer to the TV and it made a huge difference. With this change, I thought stereo music would suffer a bit but was pleasantly surprised that it didn't. Bill

Here's my 2-channel system. Going to stick with this for a year or more and let it bake in.. maybe now I can focus on paint and carpet in this room. '83 Cornwalls, in custom DBB cabinets (only one woofer being used) with Aletheia made crossovers (Jupiter flat stack caps, wax impregnated blah blah, teflon coated wire blah blah) 2010 MacBook Pro running Roon. SSD, 8GB RAM, ethernet, blah blah Schiit Gungnir with USB Gen2 module. BJC interconnects. Custom dual mono SEP amp from Maynard. Flexy Rack made using 3/8" threaded rod and Ikea chopping boards

"What does it even do when you set the receiver to a different setting?" It lowers the voltage the amplifier runs on. "and will get even hotter on the 4 ohm setting" Nonsense, the amp will put out less power, and produce less heat (that's why there is a 4Ω setting). "If 4 ohm is less resistance then why is it a more difficult load?" Because a 4Ω load takes twice the current to drive than an 8Ω load does.

Finally got started today, cut both baffle boards and a couple of panels. Will post some pics when I can. This is not going to be as easy as a build as some of the others I have done. Think it will be worth it!!

Hey Mack: welcome to the forum. I think that you are going to waste a lot of your time and learn very little asking for opinions. Tuning the vents of a Chorus lower is very simple to do you only need experiment with paper or plastic rolled up to fit into the openings and you can listen to any length vent that you want. I would suggest that you re tune no lower than 3 - 4 Hz which will impress you even though it does not sound like a lot. Find a disk with test tones or save some from an on line site and the rest is easy. The standard re tuning info on line is to insert some 6 or 7 inch long vents into a Chorus and you can go with that if you want to. With a test tone you simply dial in the length of tube which results in the woofer not moving when the tone is played and you are done. The Klipsch site data says the Chorus is already 3db down at 45 Hz so I would in this case choose a test tone of 40 or 41 Hz and as I said adjust the vent length until the woofer appears to stop moving when you play the desired test tone and you are done. What distance from the wall you decide upon will depend more upon you and your taste than on anything else. Some effort is required and it is well spent time as you will learn a lot. While speaker position impacts output level at low frequencies it does not change the vent tuning frequency at all. The pro style woofer in the Chorus (and Chorus ll) probably does not tune quite as low as a K33 will but they will be close to each other I expect the K33 is good foe a few Hz lower but it will not handle the power a Chorus woofer will. I hope that this helps. Best regards Moray James. WARNING>>>NON_AUDIOPHILE INFO I read on another site that I should try port tubes in my Chorus Is that are about 7" long to get the bass a little lower. I bought eight 4.5" x 4" port tubes from a guy on ebay...cost about 25bux shipped. I cut off 2.5" of 4 of the tubes and taped/glued them to the other 4 to give me 4 tubes 7" long. They fit loosely so i used several wraps of duct tape to get them to fit the openings of the speaker. to test i used a mp3 called "bass hit"...its an old song that the kids played back in the day to rattle everything in their cars. It has a point in the song where the bass hits 4 low notes in sequence getting progressively lower. Without the port tubes, note 3 was about half the volume of notes 1 and 2 with note 4 being almost non existant. With the port tubes installed note 3 was as loud as 1 and 2 and note 4 was much quieter but definitely audible/felt. I do not know what frequency these notes are but it did make a difference. For 25 bux you cant beat it. Sorry it wasnt more technical and scientific but it works. this link will be dead one day but here is where i got my tubes...ordered on friday and received on Monday...from Arkansas. to Georgia http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Port-Tube-Subwoofer-Sub-Woofer-Speaker-Box-Pro-Audio-/300412946335?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f201c79f Cornwall was dropped and the Chorus was very much the loudspeaker which took up the slack and sold better than Cornwall. Some Cornwall owners get bent out of shape and take things personally but the Chorus has a better woofer and a smaller cabinet along with a better mid horn (Chorus ll). The two speakers don't sound the same and I am sure some prefer one over the other. Don't wast your time thinking of names walls and corners. Best regards Moray James. Klipsch K-1545_K-1548-3 chorus woofer.pdf Klipsch Chorus Lynn Olsen Mod.htm

Just back in from the Pub with wife, sent her to the Honey Baked store, breakfast w/lerry and then a shop visit. Man im glad i waited to by this stuff on the Bay, because he gave me all kinds of NOS to tinker with wile learning servo control. he saved me a bunch and then some, he gave me some eye sockets he invented himself that just may be the ticket.

I'm ready!!! Unfortunately my 401k needs to ripen a bit more. NOBODY retires with enough, NOBODY. only advice id give anyone is, Buy all your BIG stuff now, eliminate all payments.

Holy Smokes Mark! Turn up slowly, lol

I'm ready!!! Unfortunately my 401k needs to ripen a bit more.

Just wait till your Retired, i really chat more than drink, sitting here chatting in the evenings is just about the only real sippin times. Hitting our Fav Pub(s) really maybe two times a month, on Cosco runs is the norm. Retirment really scr- -ews up whatever you thought was normal your whole life, im still learning.

Great thoughts. It sounds like you are one of us. I'll tell you what, it's hard to beat a set of Heresy's and a sub at ANY cost.

Oh yes there is a right answer: Keep them all and sell the wife instead. With her gone and all her stuff, you'll have plenty of room for all the Klipsch you have or want to have. Problem solved. EDIT: my wife does not frequent these forums, otherwise my opinion would be different.

This sure is a "Friendly" place

Hi everyone, It's been a long time since I have posted a thread on a speaker restoration project. I've chosen to include it here in the Two-Channel section of the forum because it's my favorite part of the forum, so I hope the Moderators will allow it to remain here and not move it to the more contentious Technical/Mods section. I hope you all enjoy watching this project from start to finish. Please feel free to comment, suggest, critique, or endorse as it progresses. The subject speakers were once a pair of Walnut/Oil Khorns with ugly cloth that I purchased for a few hundred dollars. The owners contacted me and asked if I'd be interested in purchasing them. The speakers belonged to their father, and when he died, nobody knew what to do with these huge speakers. They were in really rough shape when I got them. I could have restored them as I've done many times before, where I repair the wood issues, re-veneer, re-paint, re-cloth, and finish them as they were originally - maybe with a snazzier veneer. But I thought it would be nice to enclose the backs of these as I did with the "FLKhorn" restoration I did years ago. I believe that properly enclosing the backs of Khorns means NOT making the horn smaller. If I were to install 3/4" plywood "within" the outer limits of the existing cabinets, that would mean the last part of the bass horn mouth would become smaller by that 3/4" thickness. I think the better way to enclose the backs is to attach the 3/4" plywood to the outside of the existing cabinet structure, which maintains the exact horn size. But this means that the cabinets "grow" in size by the thickness of the plywood used, and then the tophat pieces need to be made larger to keep everything fitting tightly into the room corners. See the "FLKHorn" restoration webpage for more info. So as I thought about the work that I did before to increase the size of the existing tophat pieces on the "FLKhorns" and the end result of adding those pieces on and how they "shadowed" through the veneer, I made the decision to simply make new tophat pieces for this project. When building enclosed backs for Khorns, the existing side grill frames are no longer usable and new frames need to be made. I'm planning to replace all of the old components with new Volti Audio upgrades. So here's what this all comes down to - there's not much of the original speakers that I'm going to use! This is why I am starting this "restoration" project with just the raw, stripped down bass horns from the original speakers, and I'll build everything else up from those as new. So is this really a restoration, or a new speaker build? I'll let you decide, but either way I hope you enjoy watching the progress. http://www.klipschupgrades.com/flkhorn.shtml http://www.klipschupgrades.com/2015khorn.shtml Greg

Cool discussion. I think Kiss should have a mention here. They sure started a fuss back in the day and I think Alice Cooper and Kiss were pioneers with the stage shows. One could argue that Black Sabbath is the Godfather of metal. Van Halen had a big album as well.

Not mine... But I just thought I would drop this here!

Well, I heard back from the guy in Indy and it looks like we've got a deal. Thanks everyone for your input and thanks opus for posting that link. I'll be sure to pass along my impressions once I get the KV-4 all hooked up and integrated into the system.

I actually typed Allman Brothers and replaced it with Skynyrd. I wasn't sure, but I do think Allman Brothers were first with the southern rock sound. Lets not forget 38 Special, ZZ Top, Charlie Daniels Band, Doobie Brothers, Alabama, Marshall Tucker, and Molly Hatchet.

Um, nevermind. I am an idiot.

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