Woofers and Tweeters Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) She's a witch....Burn her Proof that some parents are liars and the teacher is a bad person for telling the truth. Edited April 25, 2015 by jweber 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) today, at this age, i draw the line at physical and emotional harm to my children. that will obviously evolve as they grow older and i mature. however, i absolutely want people to challenge my girls, expose them to new ideas, and cause them to question everything. critical thinking is essential and that cannot be fostered in an environment where my children are kept in a tupperware container of experience and exposure. you and i are of different generations. and my generation is exceptionally whiny, over protective, and easily offended - by everything. i am truly concerned about the adults my generation is raising. so i typically err on the side of not being offended by pretty much everything. there's no reason a guy in Princeton, TX should be reading about a kid's spoiled tooth fairy experience in NJ. Good points. My parents were pissed when my brother found out in school that there may be a real tooth fairy, came home and proceeded to pull three of his own teeth. I think it would be interesting if an entire transcript of the class discussion could be read to determine how the class discussion meandered to this revelation. It sure is tough these days to know who is telling what lies to their children. Edited April 25, 2015 by Fjd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 i draw the line at physical and emotional harm to my children I would think this would fall under the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 i draw the line at physical and emotional harm to my children I would think this would fall under the latter. remind me what the latter was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Not physical (former) but emotional (latter) harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) I didn't say I wouldn't do anything about it.. I just don't think this is news worthy. Edited April 25, 2015 by Thaddeus Smith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I didn't say I wouldn't do anything about it.. I just don't think this is news worthy. In case you haven't noticed, 95% of the news isn't news worthy. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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babadono Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 The Tooth Fairy is not real? What next; you tell me that Santa Claus is not real? Its in every contract, the 'Sanity Clause' --Groucho Marx You can't fool me, there ain't no 'Sanity Clause' -- Harpo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 The Tooth Fairy is not real? What next; you tell me that Santa Claus is not real? Its in every contract, the 'Sanity Clause' --Groucho Marx You can't fool me, there ain't no 'Sanity Clause' -- Harpo [Cm: Cheech Marin tc: Tommy Chong] Cm: (Playing piano) "Mamacita, donde esta Santa Cleese... The vato wit da Bony knees... He comin' down da street wit no choos on his feet... And he's Going to... " No, no, that's ain't it... "Mamacita, donde esta Santa Claus... Da guy wit da hair on his jaws... He's... " Nah. Hey, man, come Over here, man. I need some help, man. Tc: Yeah, man, I can dig that. Like, what are ya doin', man? Cm: Aw, I'm trying to write a song about Santa Claus, man, but it's not Comin' out... Tc: About who, man? Cm: About Santa Claus, man. You know, Santa Claus, man? Tc: Oh, yeah, man. I played with those dudes, man. Cm: what? Tc: Yeah, last year at the Philmore, man. Me and the base player sat in, man. Cm: Oh, hey, man, you think Santa Claus is a group, huh? No, it's not a Group, man. Tc: Wha? They break up, man? Cm: No, man. It's one guy, man. Y'know, he had a.. A red suit, man, on with Black padded leather choos... You know the guy, man. Tc: Oh, yeah... He's with Motown, ain't he? Yeah, I played with that dude, Too, man. He's a good singer, man. Cm: No, no, hold on, man. He's not with Motown, man. Tc: Well, then he's with Buddha, man. Cm: Aw, man, you don't know who Santa Claus is, man! Tm: Yeah, well, I'm not from here, man. Like, I'm from Pittsburgh, man. I Don't know to many local dudes. Cm: Ohhh, I see. Well, hey, man, sit back and relax and I'll tell you da Story about Santa Claus, man. Listen: Once upon a time, about, hmmm, five years ago, there was this groovy dude And has name was Santa Claus, y'know? And he used to live over in the Projects with his old lady, and they had a pretty good thing together Because his old lady was really fine, and she could cook and all that Stuff like that, y'know. Like, she made da best brownies in town, man! Oh, I could remember 'em now, man. I could eat one of 'em, man... Tc: Wow, did you know these people, man? Cm: Oh, yeah, man. They used to live next door to me, y'know... Until they Got kicked out, man. Tc: Wha? They got kicked out of the projects, man? Cm: Yeah, you what happened, man? They used ta live with all these midgets, Y'know, and da midgets used ta make a lot noise, y'know, like pounding and Hammering and pounding all night, man... Tc: Typical freaks, huh? Cm: Oh, yeah, man, they were really freaks, man. As a matter of fact, they All moved up north together, y'know. Tc: Oh, they had to go get their head together, man? Cm: Yeah, get their head together. And they started a commune, y'know. It Was called the... Uh... "Santa Claus and his Old Lady Commune"; it was a Real famous one up there, man. And they used to sit around and groove All the time, y'know. Tc: Oh, yeah? Cm: Yeah, a really good time there, man. Tc: That sounds heavy, man. Cm: Yeah, they eat da brownies, man, and they drink da tea, man... And what They did most of da time, though, was make a lotta goodies, y'know? And They had everything they needed; they only needed to come into town Maybe once year or something like that... Tc: To pick up the welfare check and the food stamps, right. Cm: Yeah, man. No, no, what they did, man, is that, once a year, when they Made all the goodies, y'know, they used ta put 'em in a big chopping bag And, then, they used ta take da chopping bag and give 'em to all the Boys and girls all da way around da world, man! Tc: Hey, well, that's hip, man! That sounds real nice, man. Cm: Oh, yeah, they were really nice people man. And so much class, man... They had so much class, y'know. Like, give or take da way they used ta Deliver da toys, y'know. It's, like, Santa Claus used ta have this Really charp chort, man, y'know? It was lower to da ground, had twice- Pipes, candy-apple red and button top. Oooo, clean! Tc: Hey, that sounds like a hip snowmobile, man. Cm: No, no, it wasn't a snowmobile; it was a sled, y'know. One of those big Sleds, y'know? And he used ta have it pulled by some reindeers, y'know, Like, reindeers? Tc: Some what, man? Cm: Some reindeers, y'know. He used ta hook them onto da sled, and then he Used ta stand up inside da sled and hold on to da reins, and then call Out their names, like, "On, Donner! On, Blitzen! On, Chewy! On, Tavo! C'mon, Becto! " And then, the reindeers used ta take off into da sky and Fly across da sky, man! Tc: Wow, man! That's far out, man! Cm: Yeah! And then, when they flied across da sky, they used ta come down to Place like, oh, Chicago, L. A., Nueva York and Pacoima and all those Places, y'know, and then land on top of people's roofs, and then 'ol Santa Claus would make himself real small, y'know, like, a real small guy, and He'd come down da chimney and then he would give you all da stuff that he Made, man. And... Dig this, man... He did it all in one night, man! Tc: Hey, just a minute, man. Now, how'd he do that, man? Cm: Oh, well, man, he took da freeway. How else, man? Tc: No, man. No, man, how'd he do all that other stuff, man? Like, how'd he Make himself small, man. And, how'd he, like, how'd he get the reindeer Off the ground, man? Cm: Oh, well, man, he had some magic dust, man. Tc: Some magic dust? Cm: Yeah, magic dust, y'know? He used ta give a little bit to da reindeer, a Little bit to Santa Claus, a little bit more for Santa Claus, a little Bit more... Tc: And this would get the reindeer off, man? Cm: Aw, got 'em off, man?!? Are you kidding, man? They flew all da way Around da world, man! Tc: Hey, that's far out, man! Hey, I come I never met this dude, man? Cm: Oh, man, he doesn't do that bit anymore, man. It got too dangerous, man. Tc: Yeah, I can dig that, man, 'cause that's a dangerous bit, man! Cm: Yeah, lemme tell ya, it sure was, man. Like just two years ago, man, he Got stopped at the border, y'know, and they took him into another room And took off his clothes, man, and searched him and searched his bag of Goodies, man... And then, when he was leaving, man, he was flying through The air and somebody took a chot and his reindeer, y'know. Tc: Aw, that's a drag, man. Cm: Yeah, it really was, man. And then, man, he went down south, man, and They tried to cut of his hair and his beard, man. And all the time, he Was getting stopped and pulled over and asked for his id, man.... Just Everywhere he went, he ran into too much recession, man. Tc: No, man, you mean he ran into too much repression, man. Cm: Aw, "repression"... "recession"... It's all da same thing, man. Tc: Yeah, man. But, it's a drag, man, 'cause we could sure use a dude like That right now. Cm: Oh, he still comes around, man. Tc: Oh, yeah? Cm: Yeah, but he comes in disguises now... Tc: Aw, he went "underground", man. Cm: Yeah, "underground", man. Tc: I can dig it. Cm: Yeah. But you ought to see his disguise; nobody would ever know it was Him, man. Tc: Oh, yeah? Cm: Yeah. He's gotta job in front of da department store, ringing this bell And playing this tambourine next to this black pot, y'know? Tc: aw, I've seen the dude, man! Cm: yeah! You know who I'm talking about, man! Tc: Yeah, man! I played with that cat last year, man! Cm: wha?!?!? Tc: Yeah, we played in front of a store, man! We made a lot of bread, man! Cm: Aw, hey, wait a minute, man! Santa Claus is not a musician, man! Tc: I'm hip, man! That cat didn't know any tunes, man! Cm: Oh, hey, wait a minute, man... No, he's not hip to that at all, man. Tc: No, but I played with this dude, man. Cm: Are you sure, man? Tc: Positive! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Thanks to Carl for posting the somewhat diluted (as compared with what's circulating in the community) article, and to Roger for the passionate and heartfelt rebuttal. The main point here is that this is such a minor instance in the context of what goes on in public, and many private, schools that it should never have gotten beyond the parents and school principal. I know many folks who have kids in 4th grade and, for the most part, these kids are so mentally sharp that such beliefs are long gone from their minds by age 9 or 10. The mother referenced is probably upset because she has been exposed to her child as a liar and can't deal with it. So, instead of being honest and explaining the situation, she is taking revenge on the teacher and school system instead. Some examples from my own daughter's experiences- when she was 4 we enrolled her in a Christian pre-school. One day she came home and said that Rev. Charles said ......... about Jesus and God and wanted to know why we didn't tell her that. Now, we could have rushed over to the school and made a whole ruckus about it, demanded an apology, went to the local paper with our story, etc. but what would the point have been? We explained our point of view and told her that she needs to think about it and decide what she wants to believe. Problem solved! On the first day of kindergarten she came home and, when asked how she liked going on the bus, told us that some of the "big kids" kept using the word "s...." and "f...." and wanted to know what that means. We told her in terms that she could understand what that was all about. Again, we could have gone to the school and complained that our daughter needs to be protected from such things and that we would sue (as modern parents often do) if they didn't provide her with transportation in which that would not happen. One last example is from when she was in 5th grade (only one grade past the cited tooth fairy kid). She came home from school one day and told us that a girl she knew was in the back of the bus doing something to one of the boys which I can't describe here for obvious reasons. My wife called a friend, whose daughter was a friend of our daughter, to talk about this and was told that her daughter said this had been going on for a while. Again, did we or anyone else go to the school and demand action? NO! We explained things to our daughter in the context of our own moral beliefs and that was the end of it. A few months later we asked if such things were still going on and she said that lots of girls were doing that! When asked what she thought of it she said "gross" and "I don't sit back there any more." Problem solved! So, my point here is that it's one thing to go public with major issues. But to do it over something like the tooth fairy is beyond ludicrous. This article and the comments which follow presents some interesting views on the subject: http://www.ahaparenting.com/ask-the-doctor-1/appropiate-age-to-talk-about-tooth-fairy-tale-and-other-myths And one last point to consider- many of these parents who make such a big deal over nothing don't think twice about allowing their kids to watch all of the sexually explicit music videos out there. Then they wonder why their kid is pregnant, or has a std, at age 12. My wife just added that the attire of young girls in even 1st or 2nd grade is sometimes so totally inappropriate that they should not be allowed in school. We don't see anyone making a fuss over that either..........Maynard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 but I wonder if either of you has children as I think you would and should be more protective of YOUR kids, at least I would hope! I have a 10(almost 11) year old son and do make much effort to protect him from the evils that he could(may) be exposed to. I also teach him not to have a vindictive heart either. I feel a parent as a good example to their kids, should handle situations like these with dignity and respect and request a one on one with the said teacher to express their displeasure with what took place. Revenge is never a good thing and never fully resolves matters. Their is a clear difference in protecting your children from obvious harm than from something that may hurt their feelings for a time. I will not say what the teacher did was nice. It was clearly not. She had no right at all. No "crime" was committed only terrible pompous judgement was executed. For that the teacher may deserve some "discipline" but not total public humiliation just because they have an unrepentant heart. Bill I just want to stray a bit. I have 3 sons, the youngest of which is 18. In all 3, I liked 11 years old the best. They are old enough to do all the stuff you always wanted to do with them, and young enough that they actually WANT to do it with you. Relish the next year.... It's the best one yet... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) today, at this age, i draw the line at physical and emotional harm to my children. that will obviously evolve as they grow older and i mature. however, i absolutely want people to challenge my girls, expose them to new ideas, and cause them to question everything. critical thinking is essential and that cannot be fostered in an environment where my children are kept in a tupperware container of experience and exposure. Awesome statements. Failure is a prerequisite to success. Did I just coin that? edit: nope, I googled it. Nuts... Edited April 25, 2015 by mustang guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 By age 9, any child paying attention would know the truth about such matters as the tooth fairy. It's not as if the teacher outed Jesus... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsear Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Thanks to Carl for posting the somewhat diluted (as compared with what's circulating in the community) article, and to Roger for the passionate and heartfelt rebuttal. The main point here is that this is such a minor instance in the context of what goes on in public, and many private, schools that it should never have gotten beyond the parents and school principal. I know many folks who have kids in 4th grade and, for the most part, these kids are so mentally sharp that such beliefs are long gone from their minds by age 9 or 10. The mother referenced is probably upset because she has been exposed to her child as a liar and can't deal with it. So, instead of being honest and explaining the situation, she is taking revenge on the teacher and school system instead. Some examples from my own daughter's experiences- when she was 4 we enrolled her in a Christian pre-school. One day she came home and said that Rev. Charles said ......... about Jesus and God and wanted to know why we didn't tell her that. Now, we could have rushed over to the school and made a whole ruckus about it, demanded an apology, went to the local paper with our story, etc. but what would the point have been? We explained our point of view and told her that she needs to think about it and decide what she wants to believe. Problem solved! On the first day of kindergarten she came home and, when asked how she liked going on the bus, told us that some of the "big kids" kept using the word "s...." and "f...." and wanted to know what that means. We told her in terms that she could understand what that was all about. Again, we could have gone to the school and complained that our daughter needs to be protected from such things and that we would sue (as modern parents often do) if they didn't provide her with transportation in which that would not happen. One last example is from when she was in 5th grade (only one grade past the cited tooth fairy kid). She came home from school one day and told us that a girl she knew was in the back of the bus doing something to one of the boys which I can't describe here for obvious reasons. My wife called a friend, whose daughter was a friend of our daughter, to talk about this and was told that her daughter said this had been going on for a while. Again, did we or anyone else go to the school and demand action? NO! We explained things to our daughter in the context of our own moral beliefs and that was the end of it. A few months later we asked if such things were still going on and she said that lots of girls were doing that! When asked what she thought of it she said "gross" and "I don't sit back there any more." Problem solved! So, my point here is that it's one thing to go public with major issues. But to do it over something like the tooth fairy is beyond ludicrous. This article and the comments which follow presents some interesting views on the subject: http://www.ahaparenting.com/ask-the-doctor-1/appropiate-age-to-talk-about-tooth-fairy-tale-and-other-myths And one last point to consider- many of these parents who make such a big deal over nothing don't think twice about allowing their kids to watch all of the sexually explicit music videos out there. Then they wonder why their kid is pregnant, or has a std, at age 12. My wife just added that the attire of young girls in even 1st or 2nd grade is sometimes so totally inappropriate that they should not be allowed in school. We don't see anyone making a fuss over that either.......... Maynard Heard that it takes a village. I believe that your hesitation to intervene about this apparent degrading behavior is essentially community negligence. Your opinion should matter. Your diligence and participation should and needs to make a difference - especially at the elementary level of child rearing. When will it matter for certain? When your daughter is in college and the boys who so causally got serviced on the bus confidently decline to accept her wishes because parents like you allowed them to always get away with whatever they wanted. By doing nothing you contribute to the decay of the community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Thanks to Carl for posting the somewhat diluted (as compared with what's circulating in the community) article, and to Roger for the passionate and heartfelt rebuttal. The main point here is that this is such a minor instance in the context of what goes on in public, and many private, schools that it should never have gotten beyond the parents and school principal. I know many folks who have kids in 4th grade and, for the most part, these kids are so mentally sharp that such beliefs are long gone from their minds by age 9 or 10. The mother referenced is probably upset because she has been exposed to her child as a liar and can't deal with it. So, instead of being honest and explaining the situation, she is taking revenge on the teacher and school system instead. Some examples from my own daughter's experiences- when she was 4 we enrolled her in a Christian pre-school. One day she came home and said that Rev. Charles said ......... about Jesus and God and wanted to know why we didn't tell her that. Now, we could have rushed over to the school and made a whole ruckus about it, demanded an apology, went to the local paper with our story, etc. but what would the point have been? We explained our point of view and told her that she needs to think about it and decide what she wants to believe. Problem solved! On the first day of kindergarten she came home and, when asked how she liked going on the bus, told us that some of the "big kids" kept using the word "s...." and "f...." and wanted to know what that means. We told her in terms that she could understand what that was all about. Again, we could have gone to the school and complained that our daughter needs to be protected from such things and that we would sue (as modern parents often do) if they didn't provide her with transportation in which that would not happen. One last example is from when she was in 5th grade (only one grade past the cited tooth fairy kid). She came home from school one day and told us that a girl she knew was in the back of the bus doing something to one of the boys which I can't describe here for obvious reasons. My wife called a friend, whose daughter was a friend of our daughter, to talk about this and was told that her daughter said this had been going on for a while. Again, did we or anyone else go to the school and demand action? NO! We explained things to our daughter in the context of our own moral beliefs and that was the end of it. A few months later we asked if such things were still going on and she said that lots of girls were doing that! When asked what she thought of it she said "gross" and "I don't sit back there any more." Problem solved! So, my point here is that it's one thing to go public with major issues. But to do it over something like the tooth fairy is beyond ludicrous. This article and the comments which follow presents some interesting views on the subject: http://www.ahaparenting.com/ask-the-doctor-1/appropiate-age-to-talk-about-tooth-fairy-tale-and-other-myths And one last point to consider- many of these parents who make such a big deal over nothing don't think twice about allowing their kids to watch all of the sexually explicit music videos out there. Then they wonder why their kid is pregnant, or has a std, at age 12. My wife just added that the attire of young girls in even 1st or 2nd grade is sometimes so totally inappropriate that they should not be allowed in school. We don't see anyone making a fuss over that either.......... Maynard Heard that it takes a village. I believe that your hesitation to intervene about this apparent degrading behavior is essentially community negligence. Your opinion should matter. Your diligence and participation should and needs to make a difference - especially at the elementary level of child rearing. When will it matter for certain? When your daughter is in college and the boys who so causally got serviced on the bus confidently decline to accept her wishes because parents like you allowed them to always get away with whatever they wanted. By doing nothing you contribute to the decay of the community. I think you missed his point entirely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 She came home from school one day and told us that a girl she knew was in the back of the bus doing something to one of the boys which I can't describe here for obvious reasons. My wife called a friend, whose daughter was a friend of our daughter, to talk about this and was told that her daughter said this had been going on for a while. Again, did we or anyone else go to the school and demand action? NO! I certainly would have had a talk with my child but I'm afraid I wouldn't have been able to sit on my hands in this scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) It's a proven fact that being lied to by your parents about the tooth fairy can cause embarrassment and confusion in your adult life when the truth is finally known, as this documentary illustrates. Edited April 25, 2015 by wvu80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Oscar, your point is well taken. However, the decision to use direct discussion with my daughter as opposed to getting the school involved is, I believe, generational (the incidents I described occurred decades ago). My wife, I, and all of our contemporaries believe that it's impossible to shelter a child from the realities of the world. Consequently, we always promoted an open environment where any issue could be, and was, discussed. Our daughter, and all her friends, knew the score about relevant social issues when they were very young. This was our way of being diligent and participating. And it worked very well. There was no need to get the school involved in the bus incidents because, short of putting a cop on every school bus, installing cameras, or asking the driver to frequently pull over and walk back there to see what was going on, it could not have been stopped. Sure, she "tested the waters" a bit, but always found out that the advice she had been brought up with was sound. Contrast that with today's "helicopter parents" who control every aspect of their kids' lives to such a degree that they are incapable of making any decisions on their own. Heck, I know parents around here who have given up careers and moved to the town in which their kid attended college so they could keep tabs on things and be in total control! So, it comes down to philosophy, and I'm not going to say that mine is necessarily better than another. It worked for my daughter and her friends so I can't complain. But to get back to my opening premise, there's just too much "political correctness" applied to situations in which it isn't warranted. Given the illicit drug issues, weapons, and other serioius matters at even the elementary school level, making a fuss over the tooth fairy seems ludicrous. One more comment on the different generational issues- when I was a kid growing up in a rough neighborhood, it was common to give someone a bloody nose after school (usually in the school yard) if you didn't like them. Often, of course, we shook hands and became friends afterwards. Today, when that occurs, the parents of the "injured" kid sue the school, sue the parents of the "bully," get a restraining order, demand that the "bully" get psychological counseling, get the police involved (especially if the kids happen to be of different nationalities), get the story into every newspaper in existence, demand that the "bully" be suspended from school, and so on. It sucks, and I'm thankful that I don't have any kids or grandkids who have to be involved in the lunacy.Wow, my fingers are tired from all this typing! Glad that I'll be in the shop all day tomorrow. Soldering is far less taxing!!! Thanks for the great discussion guys. Hope I didn't stir the pot too much.Maynard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 It's a great discussion Maynard. The pot is fine. More important than this however....................................................what are you working on now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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