Cornman Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) I purchased these new about 2 years ago. There in pristine condition no scratches or dents. The faces are still raw wood with beautiful grain so you can stain or paint to match your needs. They have the Tad drivers which sale new for over $4k, I purchased this pair from another forum member for $2,500.00. I also have the Electro Voice DX38 processor programmed with Roys settings for the Tad - Jub combination, so they are plug & play ready. I have invested $8,200.00 in the speakers - Yours for $6,600.00, if you want the processor with the speakers -$7,000.00, & that's a bargain. All the other associated amps ( Bat 5i,, Crown k2,, Cambridge 840 Azur,, Sophia Electric 300B mono blocks) will be for sale as well but not until the speakers have sold. Located in the Austin Tex area, no shipping unless you make the arrangements. Cornman Edited October 11, 2015 by Cornman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 is there a passive XO in them? are they set up for bi amping or mono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornman Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 They are bi amped using the active xover - DX38. But of course they can be set up for passive, & your choice in amplification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Perhaps the best loudspeakers that you will ever hear with the TAD TD-4002s--which are absolutely spectacular. If you want to upgrade your setup to something that will knock your socks off, this is your opportunity. I wouldn't let this opportunity go by. And unless you are thinking about replicating rigma's passives (...and get out your checkbook - they're in excess of $3K in parts alone...) I would not recommend passives. Passives also cannot correct the time misalignment between the HF horns and the bass bins that is very audible in loudspeakers as good as these...when set up properly. Hope these find a good home. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfbane Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I purchased these new about 2 years ago. There in pristine condition no scratches or dents. The faces are still raw wood with beautiful grain so you can stain or paint to match your needs. They have the Tad drivers which sale new for over $4k, I purchased this pair from another forum member for $2,500.00. I also have the Electro Voice DX38 processor programmed with Roys settings for the Tad - Jub combination, so they are plug & play ready. I have invested $8,200.00 in the speakers - Yours for $6,600.00, if you want the processor with the speakers -$7,000.00, & that's a bargain. All the other associated amps ( Bat 5i,, Crown k2,, Cambridge 840 Azur,, Sophia Electric 300B mono blocks) will be for sale as well but not until the speakers have sold. Located in the Austin Tex area, no shipping unless you make the arrangements. Cornman jub.JPGjub 2.JPGjub 3.JPGamps 2.JPG Wow!! GLWTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Just don't use UPS to ship them... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Just don't use UPS to ship them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornman Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 Thanks Chris, that is very true & good advise for anyone considering these, from a man that's tried it all & "knows". They were shipped to me by a small independent freight company, ill have to look up there name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) not to digress the thread... but I have always wondered how timing issues affect sound. does it show up as imaging issues or something else? also, are we not talking about milliseconds here? would these speakers still not sound about the best even if they had slight timing issues? just curious. Edited October 3, 2015 by Schu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) does it show up as imaging issues or something else? also, are we not talking about milliseconds here? would these speakers still not sound about the best even if they had slight timing issues? just curious. The biggest effect is a huge timbre shift in the midrange--all through the entire crossover pass band, about 1/2 to one octave depending on how gentle the crossover slopes are. After that, you hear less defined transients. And yes - microseconds affect the sound. If you want a demonstration, just take your active crossover and dial the delay of one channel off a few 10s of microseconds in either direction, especially while playing a sine wave at the center crossover frequency: it will drive you out of the room. It really sounds awful at 425 Hz, at 8 kHz or anywhere in between. Chris Edited October 3, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) so we're talking about the sound exhibiting a kind of audible "moiré" pattern? is that timing shift effectual at anything beyond a pure tone/sine wave where all other distortions and sounds are not effecting the tone? Edited October 3, 2015 by Schu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 You're kidding, right...? In case you're serious, the answer is an emphatic "yes, you can hear it, plainly...clearly...and irritatingly". Ever listen to a center channel speaker in a 5.1 (or more) multichannel array that wasn't "timbre matched"? You would never tolerate that in any other piece of equipment in your signal chain, would you? If you argue about passive capacitor types, DACs, and different amplifier sounds, this is an order of magnitude worse...at least. Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 so we're talking about the sound exhibiting a kind of audible "moiré" pattern? is that timing shift effectual at anything beyond a pure tone/sine wave where all other distortions and sounds are not effecting the tone? My La Scalas were the usual 3-way configuration for two years, then I converted them to the 2-way time-aligned JubScala configuration, so I had the experience of hearing them with and without being time-aligned. The time-alignment does make a difference, especially when the music has matching beats in the bass and melody lines. This is with a difference of around 2 milliseconds for the La Scala bass horn. It's a bit more with the longer Jubilee bass horn. Depending on how critically you listen, and the music you usually listen to, the usual time discrepancy could be annoying, as it seems to be for Chris, or not a big deal unless you listen for it, as it mostly is for me. I can hear the difference with my setup, but I think that it would be more noticeable with better speakers, since better speakers have fewer other issues messing up the sound. With Chris's dialed-in Jubilees and well-treated room, the effect is probably more audible than it is in my typically-furnished room with 510 JubScalas. That said, I still think it's a worthwhile improvement. The other big advantage of an active crossover is the very precise EQing it provides, so you get a more even frequency response than is possible to get with passives. Finally, there's the ease of changing or updating the settings with something like the Dx38. Seven months after I set up the JubScalas, Roy released some new settings, which improved the clarity at the high end of the FR. All I had to do was punch in the new settings on a second page (the Dx38 comes with 30 pages of preset settings, to work with 30 different combinations of EV speakers, plus 30 blank pages for user-specified settings), and select that page. If another update is released, it can be added, without losing the original settings. If I want to compare the sound of the old and new settings, I just switch back and forth with a button press or two. Roy also released a new setting that improved the deep bass of the Jubilee. Same deal. No problem. With passives, we're talking different parts being required, plus the time, effort and expense to swap them in and out. I won't say one way is right and the other is wrong, but I know what seems simplest and most effective for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Thanks islander, that ease of access does make logical sense. the answer is an emphatic "yes, you can hear it, plainly...clearly...and irritatingly". Ever listen to a center channel speaker in a 5.1 (or more) multichannel array that wasn't "timbre matched"? You would never tolerate that in any other piece of equipment in your signal chain, would you? If you argue about passive capacitor types, DACs, and different amplifier sounds, this is an order of magnitude worse...at least. Chris From a technical stand point, cant that be said for ANY passive multi-driver speaker set up... like my current Cornwalls? The drivers are not inline on the same plain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Let's move to a new or slightly used existing thread. You can pick it in the subforum where you think it makes the most sense. Sorry to the seller here. To those of you that ever wanted a Jubilee - this deal isn't going to get any better within the foreseeable future. Chris 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J M O N Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 PM sent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Hmmmmm wonder if these would fit behind m false wall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Wow where's my check book, oh wait jmon has sent a pm, plus i dont have a check book. Good luck witb the sale. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Schu, when I added (moved) the tweeter on my LaScalas to a small separate baffle placed on top of the cabinets, moved to the back to be in line with the mid driver, the difference was astounding/stunning. The only other way to accomplish this would be to go active. Bruce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Schu, when I added (moved) the tweeter on my LaScalas to a small separate baffle placed on top of the cabinets, moved to the back to be in line with the mid driver, the difference was astounding/stunning. The only other way to accomplish this would be to go active. Bruce I guess the question was... I am not debating an effect. I was asking how it manifests itself. Timbre can be eq'ed... was something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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