Deang Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, Don Richard said: If you were a horse, I know the drugs that would make the experience enjoyable😈 lmao, I bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, pzannucci said: And what is the comparison supposed to yield? All amps sound the same? Sony's have been quite strident and grating in my previous experience. Not warm and comfy. Exactly what i was going for, Sony grain and lifelessness and the NAD leans toward the warm side for an example of different sounding units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Okay, I thought about it: I'm a horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Deang said: I like Don's idea of loading someone up on pain killers, and then burning a hole in their leg while they're listening. Might as well make it interesting. I prefer liquor & weed but whatever floats your boat. I will pass on the burning hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, Deang said: 4 hours ago, Zen Traveler said: ...I still contend a lot of folks get "bugs" in their ear that psychologically influences what they are hearing. The best anecdote to exemplify this is how salesman in the past (and folks on the internet since) who didn't offer Klipsch speakers would say, "I don't like' 'em because they are bright, real ear-bleeders." I am positive that leaves an impression on the newbie and shapes what they are considering on purchasing. Compared to most other loudspeakers, Klipsch speakers do sound "bright", and with cheap gear and/or lack of attention to setup and room -- will absolutely shred your hearing. Sure. I prefer to call it "clearer/cleaner in the upper frequencies," and agree what you say about lower models getting "ear-bleeding" bright. My point was that salesmen used that as a tool to disparage ALL Klipsch speakers and folks will gravitate to the negative characteristic when they compare other speakers. Direct Radiating speakers could be described as "like a blanket has been thrown over them," and that is usually the comeback by Klipsch aficionados. There is no doubt people can prefer different types of speakers but having studied this phenomena feel a lot of beginners can/are swayed by the first salesperson they talk to or online comment they see in that regard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS123 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, Deang said: @ODS123 Please read the responses. Jason gave you two options 1) any new Sony receiver, and 2) NAD C316 I suggested a Dayton Audio apa150. And if you want to be truly miserable, you can also try a Crown XTi 1000. Whatever I buy may end up w/ one of my sons. The Dayton doesn't have a balance control and one of the users complained of a volume imbalance until the knob was 12 0'clock. ..Can't abide that. So i may go with a Sony receiver or AVR. Can anyone suggest a specific model - one they've heard and can attest is simply awful sounding?? ..Preferably w/ Klipsch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Vocals are one of the best ways to test loudspeaker performance, especially FEMALE vocals, where male ears are most sensitive...............there's a real life pun in there somewhere. LOL Yep! Female voices was something I was keen to pay attention to because I really dig chicks singing to me. My response to Dean above mentioned brightness, but sibilance was something I had to get my head around and experiment with if I was hearing it or imagining it with different songs and different systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Tizman said: 3 hours ago, Deang said: I've also compared a $40 DVD player to a $400 Oppo. This was back in the early 2000s. It was ugly. The differences between different models of CD/‘DVD players are also audible to me. If you are talking about using the analog imputes you guys may have something but Multichannel music/Movies in the age of HDMI means the player is no longer doing the decoding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubeHiFiNut Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 46 minutes ago, Don Richard said: It is very telling that you rather emotionally responded by on-line screaming "MY OPINION" and "100% NOT WELCOME" without knowing anything about the DBT that I was involved with. This test did not involve audio at all. It was a test to determine the efficacy of pain killing drugs. The bias removal was necessary because the test subjects could not communicate with the testers, and the testers' biases concerning the drugs that were being evaluated, favorable or unfavorable, had to be filtered out. The reason for the necessity of these controls, and the reason for the test subjects' inability to communicate with the testers was because the test subjects were horses. The tests consisted of putting a horse in a stall and hooking up a polygraph to the horse. A pinpoint beam of light was directed to a spot on the horse's leg so that it burned the horse. When the polygraph indicated that the horse was stressed, the time that the light was on was recorded. Varying dosages of the drug under test were administered and the stress test was repeated. The effectiveness of the drugs was determined by the increased time that the horse could be burned before showing stress. This test was much more involved than an audio ABX/DBT where the test subject only has to listen then answer the question, "Do you hear a difference" Your statement that ABX/DBT being "far from settled science" is ridiculous. It is a valuable tool used every day by scientists to make unbiased determinations in many fields of endeavor, audio included. Dismissing a scientific test because you don't understand it simply means that you are ignorant, and that's not my opinion, that's a fact.😁 Really? This is your "gotcha"? We are discussing the efficacy of ABX/DBT testing in audio. A DBT for pharmaceuticals is much different than a DBT for audio. You state your opinion as fact. I don't care how many times you state it, it's still your opinion. You have your opinion on this matter and I have mine. It's OK if we don't agree. The trick is to do so with mutual respect. I can just as easily say "no, it's you who are wrong". Where does that get us? YMMV..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, ODS123 said: Whatever I buy may end up w/ one of my sons. The Dayton doesn't have a balance control and one of the users complained of a volume imbalance until the knob was 12 0'clock. ..Can't abide that. So i may go with a Sony receiver or AVR. Can anyone suggest a specific model - one they've heard and can attest is simply awful sounding?? ..Preferably w/ Klipsch? I gave 2 lousy sounding receivers in my previous post, choose your weapon. The Sherwood was hooked up to Altec Valencia's for some testing. That Sony to Forte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Sony is the worst. I just might have to agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: If you are talking about using the analog imputes you guys may have something but Multichannel music/Movies in the age of HDMI means the player is no longer doing the decoding. Exactly, which is why I only use HDMI or Optical inputs on my Yamaha Pre Pro for 2.2 as well as 7.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Deang said: Oh shut up Claude. :-) You sound like a Democrat when you talk that way. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 @ODS123 You said something that would shred the ears and inexpensive. I made a recommendation - and you complain about the lack of a balance knob!? The idea was to listen and send it back. “Please recommend something that sounds like shit that I can pass on to my kid.” I’m calling Child Protective Services. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: You sound like a Democrat when you talk that way. 😉 You sound like an idiot with that post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, oldtimer said: You sound like an idiot with that post. Just now, oldtimer said: You sound like an idiot with that post. Just now, oldtimer said: You sound like an idiot with that post. You must be a Democrat, since they always resort to name calling instead of contributing data. It was a JOKE, dude! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 minute ago, ClaudeJ1 said: You must be a Democrat, since they always resort to name calling instead of contributing data. It was a JOKE, dude! You must be an idiot, repeating the quote 3 times. Mine was a JOKE too, dude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I don't think you want to bring up who tweets name calling on a consistent basis. Let's just say anyone who supports either nameless entity is an idiot. The truth is out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, TubeHiFiNut said: A DBT for pharmaceuticals is much different than a DBT for audio. Obviously, but the goal should still be to arrive at the truth. The difference with audio that I see is that some folks dismiss the ABX blinded test as invalid when they can't hear differences. However, they do believe they can hear differences when they swap the same equipment while knowing what is hooked up. No proper level matching, no instantaneous switching, no controls at all, and the ABX test is the one that is flawed? Sheesh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Richard Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, oldtimer said: You must be an idiot, repeating the quote 3 times. Mine was a JOKE too, dude! You know what they say - third time's the charm.😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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