OO1 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, ODS123 said: .PWK would brandish his BS button ..I'm quite certain of it. nah ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grindstone Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I found this bit entirely gobsmacking: "...Sitting closer to the speakers, imaging grows stronger and more precise. Maybe it's still not a highly detailed pin-point stereo soundstage, but what I hear more or less equates to the stereo that I experience listening to classical music live in a concert hall – basically, that's good enough." Wasn't the best hyper-anal PINPOINT IMAGING so he'll settle for what he hears in a concert... I just don't even know what to say anymore. Thanks for the link to the review. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I thought the piece was quite positive. So it took his head 400 hours to adjust to the sound and a year for the Heresy 3, so what. And compared to other reviewers his audio-speak was rather tame. Ever read a Srajan Ebaen review on 6moons? Now That guy can spin a word - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious_George Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Looks like Bob Crites was ahead of the curve... His Cornscala concept looks just like the Cornwall IV. Bob must have inspired the Klipsch design team. As a side note, equipment reviews have always amused me. They always seem to use the most esoteric items that most people have never heard of. Maybe it is just me, but 90% of the time the associated equipment list is bizarre and never consistent. It is constantly changing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 You're a reviewer, you have to fill up a page. Enjoy the Music has a readership primarily made up of subjectivists. Those folks want descriptions of what you are hearing. It's also helpful when you compare what you are reviewing to something you know they are all already familiar with. For example, most in that readership have experienced the "pin point imaging" of a good monitor. What they may not have experienced is a relatively large horn loudspeaker with a big baffle. So, he makes a comparison, and does the best he can with it, because describing sound is a lot like describing food, it isn't easy. In the end he says he may have found his dream speaker. Speakers are mostly purchased due to the subjective impressions of others, not by what the meter readers think while waving their squiggly lines, circles and arrows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 14 hours ago, Curious_George said: Looks like Bob Crites was ahead of the curve... His Cornscala concept looks just like the Cornwall IV. Bob must have inspired the Klipsch design team. As a side note, equipment reviews have always amused me. They always seem to use the most esoteric items that most people have never heard of. Maybe it is just me, but 90% of the time the associated equipment list is bizarre and never consistent. It is constantly changing. Looks can be deceiving. A CW IV is light years ahead of a stock Crites Cornscala. I admit that some reviewers from Sixmoons seem to be on another planet (Srajean in particular), but I get the gist of what most are saying and most of it makes sense. My one request would be for every review to include pics of the speakers set up in the room. Some do, some don’t. That goes a long way to helping me understand why someone hears what they do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Eat the meat and spit out the bones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious_George Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 16 hours ago, Shakeydeal said: Looks can be deceiving. A CW IV is light years ahead of a stock Crites Cornscala. "Looks" are exactly what I was referring to. Although we will never know, I am certain that the big midrange horn that Klipsch has used on the Cornwall IV is no coincidence and was Bob's concept. I am not taking anything away from Klipsch, but just making an observation. In some cases (groups of people), there seems to be this dogma that DIY speakers cannot sound as good as manufactured speakers from a (good) known brand. I disagree, in today's world with inexpensive free solutions, it is very easy to design and create a great DIY speaker IF you have the technical skills and understanding. Now, as far as sound, if you had 100 people listen to them, you would probably have a good amount who like the gentle slope of the Cornscala vs the Cornwall IV. As you indicated, we all hear sound differently, which is very true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 I know DIY speakers can sound great, I've heard a few and I have a lot of respect for people that can do it right. The problems I had with Bob's cornscala were these: Bob's crossover left a lot to be desired. Replacing them with ALK Universals made a nice improvement. The cabinets would sing along with any music with strong midbass content. I know many here love the removable back panels, but I'd rather have an enclosure without them. More/better bracing would have helped, but I doubt it would have completely cured the problem. The midrange horn rang quite a bit, but Dynamat took care of most of that issue. Shakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebse2a3 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Curious_George said: "Looks" are exactly what I was referring to. Although we will never know, I am certain that the big midrange horn that Klipsch has used on the Cornwall IV is no coincidence and was Bob's concept. I am not taking anything away from Klipsch, but just making an observation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 On 1/12/2022 at 1:26 PM, Curious_George said: Looks like Bob Crites was ahead of the curve... His Cornscala concept looks just like the Cornwall IV. Bob must have inspired the Klipsch design team Who ever gave you that idea ? you'd better look at the CF-4 , the Forte II-Chorus II -KP-301-II -KP 2002 -KSM 15 , etc . Larger Horns on klipsch speakers First appeared at Klipsch USA with Mr Roy Delgado Jr in the 80's when He co-worked with PWK . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 13 hours ago, Curious_George said: "Looks" are exactly what I was referring to. Although we will never know, I am certain that the big midrange horn that Klipsch has used on the Cornwall IV is no coincidence and was Bob's concept Wrong again @Chief bonehead designs include the CF-4 Horn of 1994 and the K-510 , which predate the Cornscala . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 But weren't actually "used" in a Cornwall till over 2 decades later. And there was that CW III with the Heresy mid horns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curious_George Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, avguytx said: But weren't actually "used" in a Cornwall till over 2 decades later. My point exactly. All the other stuff Robby the Robot brought up is inconsequential. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 18 hours ago, avguytx said: But weren't actually "used" in a Cornwall till over 2 decades later. And there was that CW III fiasco with the Heresy mid horns. the CF-4 Horn was never used in the CW IV , it's a different design , the CW III was never a fiasco , it sold very well until the CW IV was introduced . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 9 hours ago, Curious_George said: inconsequential. I guess you didn't get the Memo ...... CORNSCALA Legally belongs to Klipsch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Curious_George said: My point exactly. All the other stuff Robby the Robot brought up is inconsequential. I agree completely. It's just a rambling thing. Adds to the count and that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 14, 2022 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 14, 2022 15 hours ago, Curious_George said: "Looks" are exactly what I was referring to. Although we will never know, I am certain that the big midrange horn that Klipsch has used on the Cornwall IV is no coincidence and was Bob's concept. I am not taking anything away from Klipsch, but just making an observation. In some cases (groups of people), there seems to be this dogma that DIY speakers cannot sound as good as manufactured speakers from a (good) known brand. I disagree, in today's world with inexpensive free solutions, it is very easy to design and create a great DIY speaker IF you have the technical skills and understanding. Now, as far as sound, if you had 100 people listen to them, you would probably have a good amount who like the gentle slope of the Cornscala vs the Cornwall IV. As you indicated, we all hear sound differently, which is very true. How certain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted January 14, 2022 Klipsch Employees Share Posted January 14, 2022 2 hours ago, avguytx said: But weren't actually "used" in a Cornwall till over 2 decades later. And there was that CW III with the Heresy mid horns. There is a reason it was called the “corn” “scala”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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