ben. Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Or read the Klipsch Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 "If you're ever stuck-up the son of a ***** is gonna have the drop on you anyway, go for your gun and get killed." Likely true. The point/trick is not to get surprised and let him get the drop. That means being alert and prepared. Better yet, don't go where you risk one. Though I never see it, Chattanooga has terrible crime statistics. It is my intent to never see it, but also to be able to protect my family if forced. I don't feel like I have a white knight fantasy; sure don't want one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Who said it: "Never drink in a bar that charges less than $5 for a beer, you won't have any of these problems." Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunman45 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 ---------------- On 1/5/2004 1:38:27 PM neo33 wrote: "Send a picture." Here ya go, TB. http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/files/monkey.jpg"> ---------------- Yep, Larry King all right, glasses give him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Tom, I think "Never drinking in a bar"(by itself) will keep you out of most trouble anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Yeah, but the cops around here get pissy iffin' I drink out on the sidewalks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 ---------------- On 1/4/2004 10:52:06 PM DeanG wrote: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap See there -- looking good baby! Gee, I wonder how many of those murders are drug related? ---------------- Nothing intentionally inferred with my earlier stats, or if they were even verifiable, Americans absolutely have the right to bear arms regardless, can only hope this responsibility is put to good use. Just looking at the numbers though.. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/html/web/offreported/02-table22.html http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/Yearbook2001/SAS2001Ch6_en.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Unfortunatley, too many people buy a gun and stuff it under their pillow, and never have any proper training. Man, Starsky and Hutch didn't even do it right! My wife kinda enjoyed being on the range and shooting rounds. There are actually a lot of women who do enjoy firearms -- handguns and long guns. Marvel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Who said it: "Never drink in a bar that charges less than $5 for a beer, you won't have any of these problems." Tom Or less than $ 12 for a steak dinner. THe Irish pub in my town charges $ 5.50 a pint; quiet place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dflip Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I think I will join Jeff in being thankful I live in the Great White North. We only have to worry about 13 year olds being accompanied by their older "legal" brother when they're hunting wabbit, squirrel, moose, black bear or that drunken idiot with the bright red vest. The brilliance of the recently departed Conservative government gave us that piece of their "common sense". It is also a good idea to stay out of the after hours clubs in and in the entertainment district at two or three in the morning. A few too many gang members carrying around personal protection to deal with others after they have been dissed. You hurt my feelings, so I'll just blow you away. The guns are cheap and easy to come by south of the border. I guess I'm just old fashioned, I like it better when the police have the guns and the rest of us don't. It's a lot safer that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I was a Republican but GW has helped me move fro that position. Mark, With all due repsect, I think you don't understand at all. Marvel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Guns don't kill. People do! Big deal! Live with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwm Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 ---------------- On 1/4/2004 10:27:07 PM Are Friends Electric wrote: good juju GUN RELATED MURDERS/DEATHS/GUN OWNERSHIP PER 100,000 POPULATION: USA 4.08 14.24 85,385 Canada 0.54 4.31 24138 Britain 0.1 0.5 3307 Japan 0.04 0.05 414 ---------------- I think statistics like this are only part of the story as they dont factor in the fact that, the last time I checked, the majority of gun related incidents in the U.S.A. were the "bad asses doing the bad asses". If you factor this in, the statistic for licensed and law abiding gun owners is far less worrisome. I notice the big players in the media ignore this fact! I wonder why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 ---------------- On 1/5/2004 9:02:53 PM neo33 wrote: Guns don't kill. People do! Big deal! Live with it! ---------------- When they say guns don't kill people - people kill people, the logic does indeed move one step forward, however to be a bit more honest after looking at the numbers, we might need to define the people and restate this to say guns don't kill people, Americans kill people. That seems to be the core of the gun issue, meaning the French don't do it, the Australians don't either, nor do the Canadians or Japanese. Resolving disputes through violence seems to be what separates us from these countries, unless anyone wants to believe they don't reach for the gun and kill at the rate we do because they're "liberal".. Just an observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 "Playing with guns is a deeply emotional need. Not an intellectual or physical one..." Bless your heart. You're stereotyping again. You're intelligent enough to realize there are different classes of people involved with these things. 1) Well, we have the hunter and gatherer thing. It's not the killing part that hunters enjoy. It's the sport aspect of it they like. I can't relate to them, so I guess I must be "a gatherer". I know many hunters, and all I can say is that most are true gentlemen. I think it's funny how people have been engrained with this "all hunters are drunk Rednecks with a 6th grade education that spit tobacoo, urinate in rivers, etc, etc, kind of stuff. I've been involved with the shooting sports since childhood, and I've never met anyone like that except through my T.V. Yeah, these people are out there, but they're more dangerous to their own families than they are to society. In many states, hunting is near necessity. In Ohio for example, without deer season there wouldn't be any crops. So, we have hunters, and they have been around as long as time itself. It has nothing to do with "growing up". To the hunter, the rifle or shotgun is merely a tool. My brother-in-law Steve is an avid hunter, and I consider him one of the most gentle spirited people I have ever known. I have NEVER heard him even raise his voice at my nephews in anger. A great husband and father, and an extremely hard worker. 2) Recreational shooters: Hey, shooting is FUN. Not only is it fun, but it's HARD. It's a discipline. I've taken people out to the range and they are astounded at how hard it is to hit the paper at 75 feet with a handgun. I'm a recreational shooter. I just enjoy it. To me, it's just the tool of my sport. It's like any other tool in the house. I've taken my kids out, and they have all been instructed in firearm safety, handling, and shooting. I have one safety rule: All guns are loaded. My kids treat all firearms as if loaded. I believe safety courses should be mandatory, and be required within 30 days after obtaining a firearm. I'm not a violent person, but if I was, I wouldn't need a gun to kill someone. More people are killed with knives, baseball bats and crowbars. This is an indisputable statisical fact. 3) Those who purchase for defense only: These people worry me the most. Primarily because most of them do not have a commitent to the discipline. Evil people exist, and all have a right to garner protection. I see these people as primarily good, well intentioned people that just happen to be lazy. These homes are prone to tragic accidents. Again, required training and education are necessary. If people are required to take classes to operate motor vehicles, they should be required to take firearm safety classes. Of course, those described in #1 and #2 also maintain firearms in the event of needing to take a defensive posture, but it's not their primary purpose for owning or shooting them. 4) Unstable, violent, evil people: Do these people exist within the classes of #1, #2, and #3 above? I don't think so. Those classes of shooters are primarily responsible people who take the responsibility seriously. We could eliminate #3 if we could get rid of people bent on doing harm to others. However, this isn't going to happen, and as long as they exist -- I see nothing immature or nonsensical about owning firearms. Hey let's get real here. If I was an evil person and wanted to off my wife, it would make more sense to throw the hair dryer into the tube while she's taking a bath. Some say guns are "convenient" for killing. Well, so are rocks -- and hair dryers. "Guns will disappear when men grow up. That's about the simplest and most direct way to say it. "Grow up" in this sense means to attain a sliver of enlightenment about their own being, and it's relationship to the Universe and all it's beings." No, weapons will never disappear. Remove all the evil people, and I will still want to shoot, and my friends will still want to hunt. Does my enjoyment of the shooting disciplines somehow lower my IQ, or my maturity? Hey, I know folks who hate guns that are completely moronic, and it has nothing to do with the fact that they don't shoot. They're just plain idiots. Yeah, I sure wish they would "get a sliver of enlightenment." Before this stage, men are just selfish, violent sociopaths with very high intellect. The intellect is in the space age, and the spirit is in the Middle Age filled with nothing but darkness, brutality and bloodlust. You don't reason against that, you simply wait and hope it changes. This is so unusual for you. Not just depressing, but not true. You've grouped everyone into group #4. Why do that? I agree that you don't "reason" with evil. However, evil is what it is, primarily devoid of good, and these usually go from bad to worse. You may opt to wait, but as for me and many others, we believe evil advances because good men stand down. There is no good reason to allow oneself to be a victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 That seems to be the core of the gun issue, meaning the French don't do it, the Australians don't either, nor do the Canadians or Japanese. And these are Socialist Elitist Societies just add the Brits. Focus on the elitists and remeber the Clintons. House of Lords rules Britania! French politicians are old money people. Perpetuation of the fuedal system gives them very low productivity and great oppurtunity to keep the serfs poor in stature or generations. And they raise taxes and raise taxes..... Canada wants to legalize pot because they have no other items to tax without making a black market for smokes and booze for example. I prefer to let the degenerates kill each other; rather than let the politicians think we are soft. I have been schooled in the experiment(art) of the constitutionaly limited republic since the age of 6 by my great uncle who practiced law in the first half of the 20th century when it was more noble of a profession. Challenges are welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 Tad, Load these relatively violent free societies up with guns and their violent crimes rates would remain unchanged. The gun violence here is symptomatic. Guns aren't CAUSING the violence. Average Americans aren't out killing each other with guns. Those Americans that are, would be violent and kill -- whether a gun was available or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 ---------------- On 1/5/2004 11:04:59 PM Audio Flynn wrote: Perpetuation of the fuedal system gives them very low productivity and great oppurtunity to keep the serfs poor in stature or generations. And they raise taxes and raise taxes..... Canada wants to legalize pot because they have no other items to tax without making a black market for smokes and booze for example. I prefer to let the degenerates kill each other; rather than let the politicians think we are soft. ---------------- Thanks for the laugh John Wayne! May I suggest you team up with Jesse the Body Ventura for 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dflip Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 May I suggest you team up with Jesse the Body Ventura for 2008. ---------------- Isn't he the vice-presidential candidate for Arnold in 2008? It can be a tag team terminator match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 "...fuedal system gives them very low productivity..." I don't really understand this comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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