Jeff Matthews Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Does this break any moral code? Should it? Discuss. http://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-approves-bristol-myers-yervoy-opdivo-for-treatment-of-melanoma-1443711746 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If you can afford a quarter mil you don't need the code? “What we don’t want to see is that cost becomes a factor in people getting the best kind of care that’s available,” Now that's hilarious. I guess in his mind that hasn't happened before or even during his lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) FDA Approves Bristol-Myers’s Yervoy, Opdivo for Treatment of Melanoma Combination will cost more than $250,000 per patient in first year of treatment This treatment is obviously aimed at those with Big Bucks or those with really good insurance. Most insurance I've seen lately has a specific clause capping the treatment for cancer to $1 million lifetime. Edited November 19, 2015 by wvu80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 FDA Approves Bristol-Myers’s Yervoy, Opdivo for Treatment of Melanoma Combination will cost more than $250,000 per patient in first year of treatment This treatment is obviously aimed at those with Big Bucks or those with really good insurance. Most insurance I've seen lately has a specific clause capping the treatment for cancer to $1 million lifetime. I am not sure if there is any regulatory/legal connection between FDA approval and minimum insurance requirements. Anybody have any idea? As to the lifetime limit, I imagine you could reach it a lot more quickly with just this new medicine, alone. What a dilemma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 There's no connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 What we are avoiding though is the issue of a moral code versus the profit motive. A better example would be a drug that could cure any cancer, or rather a better hypothetical example. You could have kept this in the minimum wage thread....after all one question might be should minimum wage workers be able to have affordable access to such a drug? Such a question ultimately affects us all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Do we know the actual cost of the R&D of this drug? Without that information, no discussion is possible. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nismo Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Stupid computer. I can't seem to log on the Klipsch speaker Forum. I always get redirected elsewhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Well Dave there's always the possible discussion of whether health care should be a private enterprise. After all, the free market has enabled us to have the best care we don't have the money to buy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercedesBerater Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 It can be discussed still. Where's the morality on profiteering on other peoples sickness. Healthcare should be a human right- not a privilege to the wealthy. I'm an atheist.... But for those of you who are some sort of abrahamic religion- Matthew 15:30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Well Dave there's always the possible discussion of whether health care should be a private enterprise. Agreed. But discussing that will just bring a lock. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Well Dave there's always the possible discussion of whether health care should be a private enterprise. Agreed. But discussing that will just bring a lock. Dave That used to be my specialty. I am feeling the rust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 That used to be my specialty. I am feeling the rust. Well, you can probably get my drift from my response. Feel free to finish it off. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 C'mon man the transparency takes all the fun out of it. I always went for a more Thebesian approach, you know, just by showing up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted November 19, 2015 Moderators Share Posted November 19, 2015 Does this break any moral code? Should it? Discuss. http://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-approves-bristol-myers-yervoy-opdivo-for-treatment-of-melanoma-1443711746 Nobody read The Billion Dollar Molecule by Werth? Look up Vertex Pharmaceuticals. They have two drugs, one for cystic fibrosis, I believe it runs 350,000 a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) I always went for a more Thebesian approach While I try to be very open minded and accepting, there are certain sexual deviations where I draw the line. Dave Edited November 19, 2015 by Mallette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaman Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 If this drug is legit and does indeed work then the more popular it gets, hopefully the more affordable it gets. Lots of drugs start at extremely high price points but come down after a little time on the market. The best part is that (again if legit) this may pave the way for more research and a possible cure or containment for future use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cradeldorf Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I'll stick to smoking my weed. Been smoking red 100's and weed for 40 years haven't caught cancer yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Extreme capitalism is as bad as extreme communism, because neither system has any morals or heart. Capitalism is all about profits, by any means necessary. This is great for the capitalist himself or herself, but no so much for the workers that toil to generate his profits. Communism starts with high ideals, but once the commune or the community becomes larger than about 20 to 50 members, someone usually decides that he's the leader that everyone needs, and then it turns into a medieval-style situation, with the "lord" or "great leader" being in charge, and his lackeys reacting to being oppressed by the lord by oppressing the unfortunates below them. Both situations often claim to be democratic, but aren't really. Producing maximum profits means tight control of the workers is necessary, but it's good to have the illusion of democracy, because it keeps the workers from revolting. That's capitalism. Communism (I'm describing "small-c" communism, the generic type, but when the "c-word" starts the sentence it's capitalized, so I wanted to make that clear) is not democratic, and I don't think it fools anyone in that regard, even with its show elections that have no real effects on things. However, if it's combined with some kind of market economy that lets the citizens earn some money and feel that things have improved, the limited freedoms may be enough for people who used to suffer food shortages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 It can be discussed still. Where's the morality on profiteering on other peoples sickness. Healthcare should be a human right- not a privilege to the wealthy. I'm an atheist.... But for those of you who are some sort of abrahamic religion- Matthew 15:30 I see your point and that's a tough one. Though it doesn't seem right, we all profit from other's needs or wants. Another example would be food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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