-js- Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, dtel said: I really hope aliens are crazy, and on earth already. At least this would somewhat explain the abundance of stupid/crazy people we seem to have on earth now. now keep in mind that part of the reason for this abundance now, I believe, is that they keep procreating. (ex: dumb crook news folks from a generation ago have contributed to some of the current generation of dumb crooks etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 We have nothing an alien could want... we are not special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted January 17, 2017 Moderators Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 hours ago, Schu said: We have nothing an alien could want... we are not special. No we are not special, but we have no idea what they may want, maby just entertainment. Like a live video game, buzzing around zapping the little running things that look like humans. We have no clue, we do not even know what is on the bottom of all the oceans, and they have been here a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted January 17, 2017 Moderators Share Posted January 17, 2017 9 hours ago, -js- said: now keep in mind that part of the reason for this abundance now, I believe, is that they keep procreating. (ex: dumb crook news folks from a generation ago have contributed to some of the current generation of dumb crooks etc Now that's been going on for a long time and looks to not change anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 16 hours ago, JJkizak said: I said it too and I am no Stephen Hawking. JJK Not sure why Hawking would say that. The odds of anyone stumbling across that tiny piece of metal traveling at speeds that won't even get it to the nearest star in several lifetimes are about the same as the solar system being cleared for an intergalactic bypass. 15 hours ago, DizRotus said: The Lone Ranger broadcasts, radio and television, have been leaving Earth at the speed of light for nearly a century. Any sentient being with the capability of visiting Earth will recognize the significance of those radio signals. They might if they cared. But, as above, even at light speed those signals haven't even left the block yet, and won't cover enough space to have any real chance of being heard until we are either long gone by self-destruction or an asteroid, or ascended to something like godhead individually or collectively. I am sure the scientists of SETI and those involved in such things know what all of us know: Intelligent species are a great distance apart and probably only use RF for a couple of centuries. If you develop interstellar travel, you can't use RF. You'd be back centuries before your message arrived. If you can develop interstellar travel, you can determine means of instant communication as well. It's theoretically possible, it's been imagined (sub-space radio from Star Trek is probably the most commonly known form), and so it will be done. But our earliest RF communications are only about 100 light years out, and the odds of their being an intelligent race that close, basically across the street, is very, very small. Further, it's obvious that of the infinite intelligences in the universe only those within a few centuries of our techno level would be able to communicate with us in any meaningful way. Any intelligence with science at our level will either wipe itself out or within a few centuries (whatever that means to them) will either self-destruct or evolve to a singularity or other pure energy form. Bear in mind science now says that the ability for life to form existed well within the first billion years. Folks, that's a rather long time ago. Assuming they "made the cut," consider what a 12 billion year old science might look like. No, don't. Insanity follows even attempting to comprehend that. But it's a fact. Intelligences have been developing in the universe for many billions of years. The very best I can say about us compared to them is to suggest we are at best a sperm/egg union a few seconds old and they are Einstein in his prime. We are ready to try to communicate with Einstein. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I think it's a major mistake to be anthropomorphic towards another species... especially one that is extraterrestrial in nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 25 minutes ago, Schu said: I think it's a major mistake to be anthropomorphic towards another species... especially one that is extraterrestrial in nature. Fully agree. That's why math makes more sense. However, bear in mind a sine wave can be detected as a tone, and that tone is the purest and represents the math. Perhaps as close as one can get to 'the thing itself." So, while we might encounter an intelligent life for that has no equivalent of hearing that experiences a sine wave by another means. That being the case, it isn't unreasonable that their music might be something we can't even sense, and vice-versa. Eventually, assuming we became "friends," translators would be programmed to transcode our music to whatever they "hear," and vice versa. It's pretty obvious that we have a bias towards carbon based life that makes it pretty hard to get a picture of what an alien might look like much beyond Quark or Jar Jar Binks. Nonetheless, we should be fully aware that in an infinite universe infinite forms of intelligence are not just probably, but certain. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Just as long as they don't like rap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, DizRotus said: Just as long as they don't like rap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Sine wave... light wave... Micro wave... infra-red... what the difference. It's all squiggly. Maybe they have been trying to communicate with us for years... we just don't know the correct compression algorithm to decipher the wave form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 12 minutes ago, Schu said: Sine wave... light wave... Micro wave... infra-red... what the difference. It's all squiggly. Maybe they have been trying to communicate with us for years... we just don't know the correct compression algorithm to decipher the wave form. They probably communicate at the tiny particle Quantum level where time is not a problem but direction is. It is also impossible to monitor. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 50 minutes ago, Schu said: Maybe they have been trying to communicate with us for years... we just don't know the correct compression algorithm to decipher the wave form. Wouldn't be surprised. We've only gotten far enough to realize there are others out there. Trying to contact them with the technological equivalent of smoke signals probably doesn't get their attention. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Mallette said: Wouldn't be surprised. We've only gotten far enough to realize there are others out there. Trying to contact them with the technological equivalent of smoke signals probably doesn't get their attention. Dave It's Worse Than that... It's Like Trying to communicate with someone millions of years into the future using smoke signals... and that's if those smoke signals could move at the speed of light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 hours ago, Schu said: It's Worse Than that... It's Like Trying to communicate with someone millions of years into the future using smoke signals... and that's if those smoke signals could move at the speed of light. Pretty much what I meant. We should realize these discussions have only been possible for an amount of time that is ridiculously short on any meaningful time scale. We are at the very bottom of any intelligent species out there. We cannot really imagine what a truly advanced intelligence will be like. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efzauner Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 do we try to communicate with apes thru music? Humans and apes DNA differs only by a few percent, yet we consider our immensely more intelligent and capable. It does not take much to imagine an alien species with intelligence differences several times the delta between us and apes. So..what with music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Aliens are coming for our LGBT folk. We do think of aliens as kinda queer? Aliens speaking ebonics???? The only music that aliens would be interested in is the Star Spangle Banner. It will be worst than Columbus discovering the America's. The people of earth represent an ant bargaining with a boot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Yes...Wu Tang is mentioned in some of the old kung fu movies.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 On 1/18/2017 at 3:13 PM, Mallette said: Wouldn't be surprised. We've only gotten far enough to realize there are others out there. Trying to contact them with the technological equivalent of smoke signals probably doesn't get their attention. That doesn't explain why humans jump at any opportunity to understand even the most primitive types of life outside our planet....why would you expect anything else from other more intelligent forms of life? Or are you saying it's not intelligent to look for primitive types of life - I could agree with that sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 hours ago, DrWho said: That doesn't explain why humans jump at any opportunity to understand even the most primitive types of life outside our planet....why would you expect anything else from other more intelligent forms of life? Or are you saying it's not intelligent to look for primitive types of life - I could agree with that sentiment. Good point. No real response. Some above comments point out we have tried to see intelligence in apes, dolphins, etc. on our own world. Seems we really need to find some non-human intelligent companionship but haven't succeeded yet. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 When we look at a distant galaxy (you pick which one), at what time on Earth did the light start traveling this way? One or two million years ago? Maybe tens or hundreds of millions of years ago that light started this was, and we're just now seeing it. So at the speed of light, that light took millions of years to get here, how long will it take to travel through space? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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