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1 minute ago, CECAA850 said:

It happens.  You got to keep an eye on Brian.  He'll get you.

It won't take much to get past me right now, I think I need to get tanked for a week or so. Maybe more

 

Mark

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MDMA was first synthesized by a German company in 1912, possibly to be used as an appetite suppressant.

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1 hour ago, ZEUS121996 said:

I've seen everything sold over the bar, none of it legal but it still happens.

And paid for with a credit card?

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So...I answered your question.  My question to you is where were you during the early to mid 80's?  And when do you think weed was made illegal?

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1 hour ago, oldtimer said:

So...I answered your question.  My question to you is where were you during the early to mid 80's?  And when do you think weed was made illegal?

You're right.  I was in high school when ecstasy came on the scene.  Never tried it.  But, yeah, it was legal because it was made from substances that were not on the list of illicit substances in the Penal Code.  Word got out fast enough, and it was outlawed (as you know).

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If you want to see what opioids did to small rural towns, take time to watch the gritty 2013 documentary film Oxyana. It's free on Youtube.  Sean Dunne caught what was happening before it made national news.

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Opioids only affect those that use them. Otherwise they are harmless.

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2 hours ago, T2K said:

 

Opioids only affect those that use them. Otherwise they are harmless.

Are you suggesting that the only people impacted by drug use is the user?

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20 minutes ago, moray james said:

Are you suggesting that the only people impacted by drug use is the user?

No.  The drugs are harmless unless they're taken.

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1 hour ago, moray james said:

Are you suggesting that the only people impacted by drug use is the user?

 

That may be true. After ingesting the ingester becomes the impacter, not the drug.

 

Keith

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15 minutes ago, T2K said:

 

That may be true. After ingesting the ingester becomes the impacter, not the drug.

 

Keith

That is not true. The drug remains the driving factor and not the individual. Get the individual clean and not using then that problem goes away. I have attended a good number of NA meetings with addict friends and this would seem to be how this works. Alanon meetings are a very good place for family or friends of users to help them to understand the situation. 12 step programs have an impressive track record for success.

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1 hour ago, moray james said:

That is not true. The drug remains the driving factor and not the individual. Get the individual clean and not using then that problem goes away. I have attended a good number of NA meetings with addict friends and this would seem to be how this works. Alanon meetings are a very good place for family or friends of users to help them to understand the situation. 12 step programs have an impressive track record for success.

 

OK, I'll play. Using your words, "Get the individual clean and not using then that problem goes away". Had the user never used in the first place the 'problem' would never have existed.

 

Keith

 

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Part of the Opioid epidemic problem is being fueled by doctors prescribing these meds to patients who have sustained a painful injury of some kind.  They are given these drugs such as Oxycodone, only to find they have become addicted to it once the prescription runs out.  Soon they start looking for more on the open market.  Also, according  to the story on these pills, the drug companies knew full well how addictive these drugs are and how the same dose stops working after a short time, and you have to take more to get any effect.      

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11 hours ago, T2K said:

 

OK, I'll play. Using your words, "Get the individual clean and not using then that problem goes away". Had the user never used in the first place the 'problem' would never have existed.

 

Keith

 

if you never caught a cold you would not have to buy Kleenex to blow your nose. You are simply being argumentative. I don't have a problem playing but drug addiction destroys lives and families. Even smart clever people like you become addicted to drugs. Addiction impacts all social and intellectual situations and ages. A friends young daughter just gave birth to a fentanyl addicted baby I suppose you figure the baby could have avoided that by not being conceived? That childs probability of becoming an addict later in life just went supernova so far as his odds go compared to the general population. I don't find this sort of play amusing or productive so I am out of here as I have made my point. I don't care what you have to say about this anymore. Drugs lead to lies institutions and death plain and simple, to all those in a 12 step program remember it's Just For Today and to Keep Coming Back.

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I have a friend in TN who uses cbd oil. He has used less over the years and had less pain for his condition.

 

Joe... best of luck to you. I'm approaching 70 and have joint pain. A few years ago started taking glucosamine. It's like taking vitamins... can't really tell I'm taking it but if I stop for a few days there is more pain. I use turmeric in lots of my food (the active ingredient- curcumin, would be better but the cost would go up). We get the turmeric at an Indian grocery. Plus lots of fruits and veggies. Cheaper there than the regular chain groceries.

 

Also take fish oil, even though we consume a fair mount of ocean fish.

 

Doesn't answer the addiction question but may be a piece of the puzzle to help manage the different kinds of pain you may have.

 

Bruce

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On 1/8/2019 at 3:46 PM, oldtimer said:

MDMA was first synthesized by a German company in 1912, possibly to be used as an appetite suppressant.

LSD is making a legal comeback.

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LSD has been being used along with other hallucinogens as therapy to treat alcohol and other addictions to much success.

Microdosing by housewives is being praised for the effects upon their well being. Mind you, original 25 formula, nothing less.

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Testing on treating ptsd as well.

 

 

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Next thing you will hear is that they have to change my discharge papers... just sayin'...

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On ‎1‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 6:06 PM, T2K said:

 

OK, I'll play. Using your words, "Get the individual clean and not using then that problem goes away". Had the user never used in the first place the 'problem' would never have existed.

 

Keith

 

And, what is to keep history repeating itself..

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