(NFL) Ray Rice's Boxing Career is Over

[iRONic]

 

 

What if he kicked a dog... who knows....

 

 

 

 

 

 

What if he kicked a dog... who knows....

 

 

I admit if he kicked a dog It would be a different scenario but I would still come to this thread to see what kind of person defended his actions...Then again, you can't be charged with assault for kicking a dog (although there are other not as major charges) and it could not sue in civil court--Otoh, a Human Being is a different matter and there are criminal laws on the books and given that video, I can't help but think a jury would issue damages in favor of the victim.

 

Getting caught kicking a dog on video can cost you your job -- even if you're a powerful CEO.

 

Desmond Hague, CEO of privately owned Centerplate, a Connecticut-based catering specialist that serves specialty food at sports stadiums, conference centers and public facilities across North America, resigned under pressure on Tuesday.

 

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/09/02/ceo-kicks-dog-centerplate/14985213/

[dtel]

Strange, read this story about Former NFL executive Bill Polian. Sounds suspicious.

 

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagrees-with-bill-polians-insider-opinion-1633593081

[CECAA850]

Strange, read this story about Former NFL executive Bill Polian. Sounds suspicious.

 

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagrees-with-bill-polians-insider-opinion-1633593081

 

WHOA.  What a story.  I'm assuming they're reporting the facts as far as the interview goes.  You can let your imagination run from there.

[Deang]

No one trades physical and emotional abuse for "a checkbook". If that what happens in public, imagine what happens privately.

With that said, the punishment should fit the crime, it's not like he murdered someone. They both need help, and the NFL should mandate mandatory counseling for him. The indefinite suspension, even just a season, is an eternity in the life of a running back.

So, now we have this basketball player being strung up for pointing out that she came after him first, which she did. She also took a weak swing at him before they got on the elevator. What are we supposed to do with that? What if he's the day to day victim of the actions of a nut case?

Domestic violence, any violence sucks, but I think an interest in helping might be more effective than heaping as much punishment and humiliation on them as possible.

[dtel]

Domestic violence, any violence sucks, but I think an interest in helping might be more effective than heaping as much punishment and humiliation on them as possible.

 

Good point, punishment and humiliation alone will probably not change much except income. Apparently they both need help, as much as I can't stand what he did your right.

[wvu80]

No one trades physical and emotional abuse for "a checkbook". If that what happens in public, imagine what happens privately.

 

I know that doesn't make sense to most of us Dean, but that's because you are a normal man with good sensibilities, and it is hard to wrap your head around the thinking of a woman who may not have good job skills and who is emotionally and financially dependent.  It's hard to imagine.

 

I had a high profile case of a physically and emotionally abused woman who told me she would not leave her physician husband because she knew she would never find anything better in life.  She lived in a mansion, was very prominent in the community due to her husband, had a family, was middle aged and never had a job.  The case only came to light because her teenaged daughter turned her father in to Human Resources for adult abuse to her mother.  That's how I was brought in to the case as the therapist.  It was resolved when the doctor pulled a power play and moved his family from WV to Florida to get away from the pending charges.  The wife went with her husband.

 

I have other examples. 

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Edited September 12, 2014 by wvu80

[Fjd]

 

No one trades physical and emotional abuse for "a checkbook". If that what happens in public, imagine what happens privately.

 

I know that doesn't make sense to most of us Dean, but that's because you are a normal man with good sensibilities, and it is hard to wrap your head around the thinking of a woman who may not have good job skills and who is emotionally and financially dependent.  It's hard to imagine.

 

I had a high profile case of a physically and emotionally abused woman who told me she would not leave her physician husband because she knew she would never find anything better in life.  She lived in a mansion, was very prominent in the community due to her husband, had a family, was middle aged and never had a job.  The case only came to light because her teenaged daughter turned her father in to Human Resources for adult abuse to her mother.  That's how I was brought in to the case as the therapist.  It was resolved when the doctor pulled a power play and moved his family from WV to Florida to get away from the pending charges.  The wife went with her husband.

 

I have other examples. 

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I agree with Carlooch that this has developed into an interesting thread.  

 

I’m sure you already know this; however, the issue is so complex and there are no “one size” answers that will fit every situation and problem. 

 

I think “keeping the checkbook” is much too simplistic of an explanation and has different meanings to different people. You can see in this thread, which is consistent with much of the research out there that a very common response from those who have not ever experienced domestic violence or abuse is to blame victims in some way, or at least include them in partial blame.  

 

However, I agree that lack of job skills, in addition to physical, emotional, and functional challenges that only increase with getting older and remaining in abusive relationships over time will have a strong impact of being in fear of having limited options for changing existing relationships.

 

In addition, I have found that few agree as to [what is “normal conflict” and what is “abuse”?] and in my experience I have come to believe that you will find that there are very different cultural definitions of “normal conflict” and “abuse” to compound the problem in society.

 

It would appear that victims of abuse tend to face certain internal barriers and external barriers for which certain aspects or the “mix” of barriers may have different emphasis (resulting in the resistance of the abused to seeking help) from victim to victim.  Identifying the ‘mix’ of barriers to overcome tends to be very difficult, if not impossible, for an outsider or third-party.

 

Internal barriers that may prevent seeking help include an emphasis on feelings of self-blame, powerlessness, need for secrecy about abuse from shame and humiliation or intimidation, feelings they are protecting family, and a general sense of hopelessness.

 

External barriers that may prevent seeking help include negative responses from family, negative responses from clergy, response of the justice system, and responsiveness of community resources. Many people that have been subjected to longer-term abuse have managed to put themselves in a position where they strongly believe that help would not be forthcoming to them, help would be withheld even if they tried or in some way they are not deserving of help.

 

All along while these barriers are being raised, the abused have the typical abusers’ behaviors to contend with, which from a high-level, tend to fall under the emotional and physical categories of isolation, intimidation, and jealousy.

 

I believe that the above can present very strong barriers on why many victims do not seek help and do not necessarily exhibit much, if any, help-seeking behaviors.   Then we on the outside try to figure out why the victim must "like" the situation or be provoking it.

 

I don’t specifically work in the industry and my degree work was in accounting, information technology and industrial psychology. However, after spending over 20 years in one industry then changing careers after obtaining my degrees, my work projects have continually changed over the last 18 years exposing me to a variety of new circumstances and many problems that needed resolving, thus a few of those experiences had a significant part in forming the above views.

[CECAA850]

I know that doesn't make sense to most of us Dean, but that's because you are a normal man with good sensibilities

 

This topic for debate is best left for another thread

Edited September 12, 2014 by CECAA850

[CECAA850]

As if the NFL hasn't had enough negative publicity, read THIS.

[dtel]

Even many years ago when a switch was more common, it was not used to the extent to really cause any real harm, cuts and bruises are going a little to far. imo 

 

The NFL is going to have there hands full when everything going on from now on is brought out and put in front of them and they have no choice but to deal with it. This will not be the last problem for them with young aggressive, highly paid athletes who feel they deserve special treatment since they got it starting in HS then college now pros.

[willland]

I remember the swtich.  If I went out in the backyard and brought back a flimsy one, my mom would say, "you don't want me to go pick a switch so you better get back out there and get one that won't break the first time".

 

Bill

[willland]

Even many years ago when a switch was more common, it was not used to the extent to really cause any real harm, cuts and bruises are going a little to far. imo 

 

Painful welts yes but I can't say for sure whether there were any cuts.

 

Either way, that kind of discipline worked to keep me in line.

 

My son(now 10) never experienced the switch itself because the fear of the switch from the stories told to him was enough.  Wooden spoon worked for a while then I discovered grounding from XBox, TV, Legos, outside playing works just as well.

 

Bill 

Edited September 12, 2014 by willland

[angusruler]

 

She might feel she'd get worse if she didn't.  Hard to put any blame on her.

 

I can't blame her for him punching her but do blame her and these girls that go after the "bad boys" and then later on realize they can't change them and make them the "nice guy".

 

Bill 

 

I agree willand. obviously not all cases, but I believe a lot of them have the women trying to "cure" the men. also the old "dirty blanket" theory. women, or men for that matter get so used to the abuse, they feel like they deserve it, or it's the best they'll ever do. low self esteem makes the person feel they don't deserve better. I lived with a very abusive woman and felt it was all I deserved. it's a very sick situation on both sides. thank god that life is far behind me.

 

 

 

 

oh, and I thought that I could change/save her too...........I did......when the divorce was final!

Edited September 12, 2014 by angusruler

[JJkizak]

I think I have seen this before, I can't remember where but I just remember the dialog, "We have a failure to communicate".

JJK

[Boxx]

On another thought, why would the NFL Commish. (if there is any truth to it) try to hide any actions of this sort regarding NFL players? 

 

This guy makes over 8 million dollars a year. 

 

Why put your job on the line?

 

Let the players hang themselves......

[dtel]

Either way, that kind of discipline worked to keep me in line.

 

Oh I believe it worked, I never had one used on me that I can remember, but once my dad picked me up and put me against the wall and didn't have to say much really but I got the point. When someone grabs you off the ground and puts you on a wall your attitude changes. 

[sunburnwilly]

On another thought, why would the NFL Commish. (if there is any truth to it) try to hide any actions of this sort regarding NFL players?    This guy makes over 8 million dollars a year. 

  Try 45

[moray james]

She is every bit as bad as him they were made for one another.

 

So she deserved to get KO'd right?

not what I said. no one deserved that. she sure looks to have had a lot to do with it though. lets wait and see, I would guess under three years very big very expensive divorce. Best regards Moray James.