MORE KLIPSCH PLEASE Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 4 minutes ago, Wolfbane said: I've owned a filter cutting tool that works great for opening up the can on the metal filters for several years. The only time I've cut filters open was when I was back in civilian aviation. Not saying there's anything wrong with it... The last filter I cut open was the one out of my fridge.... I wanted to see what was in it.... MKP :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted December 26, 2016 Moderators Share Posted December 26, 2016 On 12/25/2016 at 0:26 PM, jason str said: Many engines have come with magnets on the end of the drain plugs, most transmissions used to have them in the pans as well but you save $1 on every car you sell by not including it it adds up and bottom line comes before quality these days. There making pans out of plastic these days. Plastic? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted December 26, 2016 Moderators Share Posted December 26, 2016 From Edmonds: We decided to do an oil change on a Honda Fit belonging to Consumer Advice Editor Philip Reed to investigate this further. We sucked out the 3.8 quarts of oil and then removed the oil drain plug to see how much more flowed out. We were pleased to see that it was less than 3 tablespoons. This oil didn't appear to be any more contaminated than what had been sucked out by the extractor. We also unscrewed the filter and found it still contained about a quarter cup of oil. It is going to vary from vehicle to vehicle, but 3 tablespoons? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Sargent Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Talk about home shop mechanic! We had a overhead valve 4 cylinder Mazda pickup many years ago that quit running. Pulled the cam/valve cover and the gear on the end of the camshaft had broken completely off! While my dad held the gear in place, I drilled a hole through the gear and through the cam shaft. Tapped it for a course thread 5/8" bolt about 1.5" deep. Installed the bolt and drove it another 50K miles! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 48 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: There making pans out of plastic these days. Plastic? Absolutely... why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORE KLIPSCH PLEASE Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, JL Sargent said: Talk about home shop mechanic! We had a overhead valve 4 cylinder Mazda pickup many years ago that quit running. Pulled the cam/valve cover and the gear on the end of the camshaft had broken completely off! While my dad held the gear in place, I drilled a hole through the gear and through the cam shaft. Tapped it for a course thread 5/8" bolt about 1.5" deep. Installed the bolt and drove it another 50K miles! NICE MKP :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORE KLIPSCH PLEASE Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 6 minutes ago, Schu said: 55 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: There making pans out of plastic these days. Plastic? Absolutely... why not? I have not seen any plastic oil pans..... I don't think we will, but I'm seeing a lot of plastic intake manifolds..... MKP :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfbane Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 5 hours ago, dwilawyer said: From Edmonds: We decided to do an oil change on a Honda Fit belonging to Consumer Advice Editor Philip Reed to investigate this further. We sucked out the 3.8 quarts of oil and then removed the oil drain plug to see how much more flowed out. We were pleased to see that it was less than 3 tablespoons. This oil didn't appear to be any more contaminated than what had been sucked out by the extractor. We also unscrewed the filter and found it still contained about a quarter cup of oil. It is going to vary from vehicle to vehicle, but 3 tablespoons? Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 They're making transmission pans out of plastic now too. Excuse me I meant "composit material". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted December 27, 2016 Moderators Share Posted December 27, 2016 3 hours ago, CECAA850 said: They're making transmission pans out of plastic now too. Excuse me I meant "composit material". Are the drain plugs still metal? I suspect no issues using composite materials. They are used on Ford Powers Stroke diesel motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 1 hour ago, dwilawyer said: Are the drain plugs still metal? I'll need to see if they even have drain plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I have seen Cummins use plastic oil pans with metal drain plugs, even on construction equipment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfbane Posted December 27, 2016 Author Share Posted December 27, 2016 5 hours ago, CECAA850 said: They're making transmission pans out of plastic now too. Excuse me I meant "composit material". Plastic junk? Yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Yesterday, I replaced the plastic thermostat housing that was leaking coolant on my '98 Explorer. The lower shell of the housing is a "one piece" plastic part (probably polycarbonate), however, it is manufactured from two molded componets that are ultrasonically welded together. Of course, the leak was at the weld seam. I had replaced that housing about two years ago, so it should not have failed. But upon closer inspection, there was a small gap between the welded components with obvious signs of a poor ultrasonic weld (the new replacement part had no gap at the seam). Anyway, the plastic material itself was not the problem. The manufacturing process was not robust so the product failed, giving the material a bad name. Ironically, the defect would have been easy to detect in a final inspection at the factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 Quality control is quickly becoming a lost art. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Quality control is quickly becoming a lost art. And the elimination of quality control has become a cost-cutting measure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 On 12/20/2016 at 3:00 PM, Wolfbane said: Thinking about buying this 20 Gal Portable Waste Oil Drain Unit: We have one in our garage. Side story: (Before I worked there) The large valve has to be closed before applying air, or it will spray the oil up and out. The first time it needed emptied, no one could figure out how to close the large valve on the neck - they finally broke it trying. Then they realized that the telescoping tube has to be raised in order to close the valve. We have had great service from ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Quality control is quickly becoming a lost art. Planned obsolescence is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 These composite parts are not the worst idea manufactures have used, my worries would be getting brittle from age and/or heat exposure. Not a new thing by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 10 hours ago, jason str said: These composite parts are not the worst idea manufactures have used, my worries would be getting brittle from age and/or heat exposure. Not a new thing by any means. This is a huge problem with plastics. Oxidation over time causes polymer chains to begin breaking and embrittlement sets in. Antioxidants are often used in the fomulations of the plastic compounds, but eventually these components become weak over time as high temperature as well as UV exposure, chemical interactions, and air pollutants take a toll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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