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The game has become another soap opera. I wish I had a pair of Jubilees.

Want Seattle to Win, but, really don't care & wish I had a pair of Jubilees!

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A little something silly I do from time-to-time. Start a beginning to a song and let folks finish it a lyric at a time. This one is Tom's Diner" by Suzanne Vega. It's OK to cheat a little by googling this one, because no one knows this one by memory. So before I "kiss this guy"... I am sitting In the morning At the diner On the corner I am waiting At the counter For the man To pour the coffee

The King in his prime.

First, congrats!! Second, just toss a doily over them...she'll never notice! As for the top, I've always thought that one could build a Khorn style top (to match the shape of the Jubilee bass bin) and place the K510 inside it to give a more finished presentation. That said, I've also thought about doing the same thing with the K402 like several others have. Then I think...nah... I kind of like the look of intimidation that it presents. Not trying to hijack this thread or anything. Just wanted to show what I did with mine. The 402 would obviously require a slightly different approach but you get the idea. Hope this helps.

Sorry... LOL. It is an R so different year. Still Walnut but just seems to have slightly different shade.

Thanks for the links...

you can purchase foam with adhesive on it, do not staple.

Well yea, I realize it is a Belle Does the wood match and are they from about the same year (do they all have AA crossovers)?

No, the third one is the Belle, which also seems to be in good condition although the wood seems a tad off. It could just be the lighting. Grippers, 400 grain and watco oil, got it. So just use the round 2" foam (or heavier) and staple it to the back of the sub cabinet so it seals up when pushed into the wall? I will have to take a closer look at the backs to see exactly what needs to be sealed.

Nice, They really do look great in your room. Just enclose the backs and see how they sound in the corners just the way that you have them. Are they a matching set of 3? How is the condition? You have the easy crossovers, just re-cap them as you said.

I would use what they call grippers on bottom......clean the wood with watco oil...maybe even use some 400 sand paper wet with the oil......and yes seal them to corners even if you have to use 2 inch pipe insulation. Rick

I will have to take everything apart and do some good clean up on these things. The dust is literally almost ingrained in the wood. The wife is warming up to them though. She even thinks they stomp all over the Heresy's and that they look nice in the corners, so that is a huge win. Unfortunately, our 15' root bound schefflera is probably going to get sent to the wood chipper this spring. So with that said, corner placement is sort of a issue. I have windows and trim in both corners and I cannot mate them up flush to the corner without at a minimum cutting out some trim, but then even if I did the windows are still there. The bass response is still pretty wicked to my ear, better than any other speaker I have ever heard. So how much difference does it make that they are not exactly flush with the corner? I listened to 'Country Grammar' this morning and it sounded like I had my Velodyne plugged in somewhere. So far, I am very impressed and probably will leave them be unless I am really missing out on something leaving a 1-1/2" gap. Aside from cleaning everything up and getting new caps from Crite, any suggestions for maintenance? How far should I get into the speaker for cleaning? Disconnecting everything and unscrewing the cabinets will be a pretty big chore as it is, so I might just wait until the caps come in and do everything all at once. I couldn't get my heavy felt pads to stick yesterday on the bottom when I brought them in (too cold) and I am thinking about using the bigger plastic ones that you can tap in with a hammer, just to protect my floor. Maybe some rubber casters would be better?

When I was just a kid out of college, I ordered all the Klipsch Papers, including the "Dope from Hope" dealer newsletters. Paul Klipsch had plans for two things that he built for himself, and I did the same. One was a resistor box to get a mono center channel from any stereo line source, and the other were False Corners for Khorns. About 9 years later, I spent a day with PWK. We met at the factory in Hope, then he took me back to his house. He had TWO false corners in his large living room for his Khorns. Everything PWK ever wrote about, he actually did. He was fully aware of the issues his customers had concerning natural corners and came up with a solution that he used for himself. Basically you buys studs and make 4x4 foot corners that you cover with drywall. The corner horn mouth extension doesn't do much beyond 4 ft, so that is big enough. In my case I made one out studs and drywall, with a 3ft x 4 ft stabilizer tail ("L" shaped as viewed from the top). It's a cheap and easy solution to having horn bass which is FAR superior to a Cornwall bass, even though it's the same woofer.

Consider a commercial CD. Everything that went into making it is unknown to the guy about to put it in his CD player at home. There may be lots of assumptions at how it was made, but that's all. What you are holding is a container with two AC signals encoded. Nothing else. Now you want to use it to make sound in the room. The sound you end up with, is directly related to the gears you run that signal through. Are you using a -Small table radio? -A massive stereo comprised of 6 amplifiers, massive theater sized speakers, computerized equalizers? -Modest stereo with a $200 receiver? Whatever system it is, it can be simulated by an equivalent circuit. Every resistance, every capacitance stray or otherwise, every inductance, every reactance and admittance no matter where it is located - even in wires, no matter how small or large, goes into the final sound. The circuit in total begins with the laser and ends with the speaker. Nothing in that chain can be excluded from the equivalent circuit. Everything contributes to the final sound. The reason the sound is different in each of those systems above is because the electrical properties of the things in the circuit are different. There is no other reason. All sonic differences are the result of changing the electrical properties of things in that circuit. Everything in the circuit therefore can alter the sound produced REGARDLESS OF WHAT WENT ON TO MAKE THE CD IN THE FIRST PLACE. Most people understand then that all parts of the circuit have influence. That's the physics at work. What they argue about are the small influences and whether or not they can hear them or care about them. "I think the soup has a pinch too much salt!" "Really? I never noticed." Yeah well, it's hard for me to apply theory to the reproduction for very short wire lengths and disregard it for the production stage where much longer ones are used. You end your circuit at the speakers, because that's where the electrical ends. But the sound still needs to reach your ears. Do you care as much care with room acoustics as you do with speaker wire? Do you measure the room and add treatments? (WARNING: This next part is not directed specifically at you.) I gotta laugh when I see some pictures of people's setup showing off their new speaker $500 wires and the room is an acoustical nightmare. When I point it out, some say that they can change the speaker wire but have whatever room they have and can't change it. When I ask whether the many feet of ordinary wire inside their speakers or inside their components make the few feet of speaker wire irrelevant, they argue the same as you above that they can't change that or the room but can change the speaker wire. It like pretending that changing speaker wire dramatically alters the sound and that all other wires within the gear must be perfect. Except for the interchangeable power cord of course. Swapping that out for a $500 makes all the difference in the world as well in spite of the hundreds of feet of ROMEX in the house that the power had to go through to get to it. They are looking at that piece of cable or speaker wire as significant in the end sound because it's the only thing that they feel that they can change.

Got your Duck stamps?

you know to me one of the best features of the RSW subs, besides their look ( cherry/maple ) and sound. the location of the volume control. thats awesome not a fan of oak, let alone painted black. bought 2 in black from Scott (SWL) and sold both of them and bought 2 in cherry from Bill (Fish)

I haven't received the goods yet, but I just wanted to thank Neil for taking this on. It's a lot of personal time, money and aggravation.

You said they are heavy.....the top hat comes off helps a little bit moving them. Rick

Man, what I could do with that critter.

My center channel is mounted on its side and the Denon sets it to 40hz, while the other La Scalas are set to 60hz. The only other difference is the center is a Rodgers La Scala which has an identical crossover. I have not seen that kind of equipment since I was a youngin, except at the TRW swapmeet in ElSegundo. When I think back to the early days, I remember begging my dad for equipment not much different form this. Amazing what we could do in those days with an AirCap and a few tubes........

Glad they're wowing you. Wait until you have corners...

Cessna, I think you are on the right track to rearrange the room. People spend money and end up doing things that they would have never imagined in the beginning to get there HT system running the way they want it to sound. You paid good money out for your system it so get the best SQ out of it!

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I have Forte II and listen to them every day at the office. They have lots of clean bass, very low bass with the passive "drone" augmentation, the marvelous tractrix midrange which Klipsch recognized as being better than the exponential mid in the Forte (I), and a tweeter as good as any other. So, if you have one speaker to buy on a budget, the Forte II is the one. I have the little brother Quartets which are good too, but which may be too short to be a true floorstander. I have them on stands at home. I'd love to hear a the big brother Chorus II but have not. I did hear Chorus (I) in very poor conditions and horribly overdriven and did not like them at all. Of course the Quartet, Forte II, and Chorus II are the papa bear, momma bear, and baby bear of the line which all use the passive radiator and tractrix mid horn. In my view, a very high point in the evolution of non-bass horn Klipsch. Please buy a pair of any if they come on the market at a reasonable price. I'm a bit puzzled that KLF-30s don't get better reviews. They seem to be a further extension of the same but without the passive radiator. I'd consider buying a pair if I needed more speakers (which would be insane). WMcD

Got them home, dusted off a bit and put I the living room had to run to get the kids and meet up with the fam for a basketball game. Will clean them up, hook them up and post pics later. Beautiful speakers though. I can't wait to get them going!

It looks like a deal has been worked out.... davis419b is a credit to the Klipsch "forum" community....

What a deal. Congrats and Enjoy.

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Congrats, great purchase and a price that you will never find again. Post lots of pics.

Now, now Mark. Come out of that cave and try it. Again, it's silly but fun!

Man these things are heavy... A few chips and dings in the cabinets and a bunch of dust, but otherwise they look good. Apparently they have been in storage for 10+ years and the storage company rep thinks the old owner is dead. They were bought locally from an out of business shop, so at least I am pretty sure they haven't travelled too much. More to come!

Pick up the LaScallas if you should come across them in the neighborhood of $650, they are out there, refurb them and upgrade the crossovers and WhaaLaa, worth $1200 Min. for life.

Took me more than 30 years for La Scalas to grow on me & become things of beauty. Forte IIs are sweet, I could be happy with them.

And precisely my quest. I want an audio holodeck such that I can close my eyes and BE THERE. Anything less may well be very euphonic, but is not accurate, IMHO. Dave

this thread still rolling on? :facepalm:

The sound... Superb! what does that mean exactly? well, to be truthful, I was pretty happy with my Cornwalls prior to taking this journey and I had spent countless hours tweaking and massaging my system to get it to the point where I was actually very content... That is until I heard the Cornwall with this new Aletheia Cross over. Much of my listening is done in the 80db+ range and prior to the upgrade, I had what seemed like an overly narrow band of sweetness that the CW's performed very well in... outside of which things began to sonically deteriorate very quickly. Now, that range seems nearly unlimited as any of the preexisting very granulated overly forward squawker tendencies are non existent(shouty). In retrospect, before at higher volumes, the CW was barely listenable for extended periods and they caused suffering from excessive fatigue. Now the music is crystalline, extremely focused and any granulation is complete gone. All that remains are very dimensional and complex musical signals... Before, in quite passages, I could clearly hear the violin vibrato, now I can hear the resin hit the string before the bow excites the instrument. Really impressive stuff. Warmth, yes... smooth, yes... detailed, yes... and more importantly, comfortable to listen to for extended periods. On top of it all, this is right out of the box... no room correction or other tweaks. I am still using my old setting from the original Klipsch B's and have only been listening for less than 1 hour. I think it boils down to this for me... ignorance is bliss, at least until you begin experiencing other things that actually deliver on their promise. Argument for diminishing returns? Not from me, this is worth EVERY CENT! And as I was telling dean, I can no longer consider ever owning Another speaker (klipschorn, la scala, belle etc) without considering that I also need to add an Aletheia Cross over to the equation.

Wow scrappy. i thought your wife didn't even like KHorns cosmetically, now you're talking K402s.the most glorious thing about a false wall is it only matters what it sounds like. I only have a size constraint behind that bad boy. I'd buy pink speakers if it would save me a few bucks

Its all a a matter of taste. From my experience listening to my audiobuds' systems, including a few fellow forum members, I've concluded that no 2 people want the same sound from their system. Khorns are very good speakers on their own but as you look around the forums, notice how many different directions folks have taken with the mods and wholesale changes to this venerable speaker. There was a time on the Klipsch forum, when a thread like this would quickly devolve into a heated debate pitting the "outdated distortion box" devotees against "cold and analytical crate" followers that would almost always end with the thread getting shut down and someone being banned. Luckily, folks seem to have accepted that there is no one type of amp that will satisfy everyone and we have come to respect other's preferences. What I'm trying to say is that you will get some benefit from asking others what gear they use but you really need to hear it for yourself. Many members with Khorns, myself included, only found what we liked after listening to many other set ups and having a parade of gear running through our systems. If that's not efficient enough or economically viable for you, then I'd suggest searching through threads on this forum and others such as Audiokarma, Audiocircle and Audioasylum, find folks who share your taste in music and listen through Khorns and take a look at their systems. You may find some common gear that will give you an idea of what sounds good and get you started down the path... Welcome to the forum and have fun!

I can with my 225 grado cans. I will figure out what cd/s i have on an amp(its been a while and kind of irritating although interesting, to hear ambient sounds)and report back. I love my sound room im listening in to be completely silent minus what i fill it with. Interesting you hear this even on/with bluetooth and iphone...mp3? Im strictly cds. My 15year old and my ex wife taught me all i know about iphone music ands not much lol. I always lose quality when they give me burnt/ripped cd's. Yet some are actually better than others, burnt/ripped of course interesting you pull in sounds from greenland on them ham radios

What brought me to the forum and what made me stick around is the fact that I yanked out some networks out of some late 80's la scalas and put in a replacement crossover. Realizing I was gonna have to spend piles of money to buy anything that would top that quality. That is the backbone of my existence here....of course then I got a little crazy.

That is the truth. Love my 2A3 amps, and can't imagine tht even DXing would come close. My brother is a ham radio operator, and i've thought of it myself, but audio seems more satisfiying. Bruce

Well iv been running two channel tubes for ten years but I do not count the first five, learning curve. Involved in electronics since 10 years old, but my tube stuff was all SSB/Ham linear amps, slowly phasing out of the Ham world. Class 'A' Amps, tube, once acquired is my passion now. 40+ years talking to the world as a Ham operator has not given me the feeling I can get with an hour of Class A listening.

NO DO NOT DO THIS. The grill cloth is very sensitive to heat and will shrink or melt. Trust me I have actually used a heat gun to shrink Klipsch cloth to make it tight in a frame. In my experience the badges come right of with little effort and no extreme measures.

It's been known to happen... lol....

So... what are the 'hard points' as we know them? Dates? (March 28-29 I presume.) Location? (Hope, AR... but a little greater detail, perhaps).

Weird there was another discussion not that long ago and many said that it could not be bought separate.

I am just interested in general. I don't care if we meet at the Y and exchange 8 track tapes. I just want to see some of my virtual friends in the flesh. Dave