Deang Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 23 hours ago, jimjimbo said: Dean, interested to know why you think that their products suck. Other than their high price. Because the crystalline structure of their copper is irregular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, Deang said: Because the crystalline structure of their copper is irregular. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEngVic Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 19 hours ago, Deang said: Because the crystalline structure of their copper is irregular. I don't know when you're being serious and when you're being jokey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 In my view, no one has identified a shortcoming in the stock wiring or zip cord. Further no one has advertised their super wire to show it solves any problem. There are just pretty pictures and pseudo-engineering mombo-jumbo. It does look like AQ is talking about problem in other application such as microphones or very long feedwires. Of course twisted pair pair, but not two pair, is widely used there. My guess is that Roy had to bow to the requests of the publicity department and did so as long as there was no harm. WMcD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 10 hours ago, MechEngVic said: I don't know when you're being serious and when you're being jokey... lol. Joking. The whole “cable” thing is idiotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Too late, have pulled all their wire out of my system... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathedral Guitar Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 Can someone ask Roy what the thinking was? I will if nobody else wants to. I noticed that they hiked up the price as well, so maybe they are now audiophile speakers marketed to wealthy audiofiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I don't think fancy wire makes a difference but gage can. I buy 100' of 12g zip cord from Monoprice when on sale for amp to speaker connections and 14g by the 300' spool from Parts Express last time for internal cabinet hook up wires. I am in the camp where copper is a conductor and applying snake oil to it does not enhance the performance. Does seem to raise the price a lot though and I love going to Audiogon to read fantasy stories from people who believe all this stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 5:17 PM, Cathedral Guitar said: Can someone ask Roy what the thinking was? I will if nobody else wants to. I noticed that they hiked up the price as well, so maybe they are now audiophile speakers marketed to wealthy audiofiles. All of the better speaker companies are expensive and for what you get compared to the competition Klipsch holds up very well. You can spend a lot more and have less from a lot of their competition. Personally I like to fiddle to much and like the hunt so I never was a buyer for new any way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 6:28 AM, glens said: In a video, Roy said something to the effect that since some of the customers liked to use wire like that, they figured "why not" use it internally while they were doing other things to "upgrade" the speakers. As I recall, he definitely didn't give the impression that the decision was driven by pure performance of the wire versus their "standard" fare. I wonder, is the company which markets the wire also under the Audiovox umbrella with Klipsch? Marketing Dept in full effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 7:28 AM, glens said: I wonder, is the company which markets the wire also under the Audiovox umbrella with Klipsch? It's not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Since the "runs" are at most, what, a couple feet, maybe they get a deal on manufacturing "tails" or something. That way AQ can get more than scrap price for their scrap, hahaha! In all seriousness, I just awoke from a really weird dream, couldn't get back to sleep, and still aren't feeling/thinking quite right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 It's like the red paint that makes Ferraris faster than other cars. (Edit, I removed the apostrophe but I'm still not comfortable with the plural of a trademark.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathedral Guitar Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 I wish you would have put as much thought in the analogy as you did in the punctuation, as nobody has ever claimed that the color of the wire jacket made a sonic improvement, but rather it is much more like the improvements are due to heaver gauge wire (i.e., a bigger engine) better quality materials, as well as better engineering -- arguments which hold sway in automotive sales as well as most every other industry. Any car can get you from point A to point B, just like any wire can pass a signal, but the most expensive is not always the fastest, and the fastest is not always the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cathedral Guitar said: as nobody has ever claimed that the color of the wire jacket made a sonic improvement I think you need to research some of the illustrious Medwin's posts on this forum. I believe you will end up retracting that statement.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wstrickland1 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 12/27/2019 at 2:44 PM, WMcD said: (Edit, I removed the apostrophe but I'm still not comfortable with the plural of a trademark.) Me neither, therefore I speak of my LS II's and P37F's occasionally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, Cathedral Guitar said: as nobody has ever claimed that the color of the wire jacket made a sonic improvement Claims have been made, but nobody has scientifically proven it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Because scientificity is eschewed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marvel Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 8 hours ago, wstrickland1 said: Me neither, therefore I speak of my LS II's and P37F's occasionally Shouldn't use apostrophes on the plurals. The proper way would be LS IIs and P37Fs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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