Edgar Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Just now, babadono said: Can you say"loudness wars". Really good point, @babadono. I hadn't considered that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer X Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 I once tested my 1/2" reel to reel at 15 ips: it was crazy, as well crazy how fast tape was churned up at that speed. In the record store video, the shop owner almost cried when he spoke of 1" tape at 30 ips. Where does the madness end ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1291 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 On 8/11/2022 at 7:14 PM, Edgar said: Assuming that @Marvel was correct, that it was mastered at 44.1/16, then the 24 bits on DVD won't really help except to prevent numerical overflow in the mix. And non-integer upsampling (like 44.1 to 96) is never quite as clean as integer upsampling (like 48 to 96). It was tracked at 44.1 or 48 /16. That was what the Sony recorders at that time used, on 1/2 inch tape. They were also $150k. The 3324 came out first and they later made a 48 track, the 3348. It recorder in a way that they could make physical splices withe the tape, i.e., razor blade type of splices. I don't know what they mixed to. And to be honest, a lot of the loudness wars have subsided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Racer X said: Where does the madness end ? For me it ends at 24bit/96kHz LPCM. The over sampling of the converters used in equipment that runs at these resolutions nowadays makes all the talk back in the day about the "harshness" of digital moot. If you like the noise and distortion that an all analog path gives that's great. To each his own. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Marvel said: I don't know what they mixed to I think I recall Sony made a 2 track mixing/mastering machine also. Or you could mix the 24 track master down to 2 tracks on another 24 track machine Once its digital it makes no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I did find this about the remix of Brothers in Arms to 5.1. --- It should be noted that the original transfers were recorded digitally to the then new and pioneering Sony 16-bit 44.1kHz DASH format, which at the time only supported 24-tracks. Ainlay also faced the fact that pre-emphasis had been applied to the recordings on the DASH tapes. In essence, this was intended to help reduce PCM quantisation noise by basically boosting the high-end on record, and then decreasing it again, with the inverse slope to flatten the response back out on playback. Even today, the problem is there is no practical way to strip the emphasis whilst staying in the digital domain. In the end, the solution Ainlay came-up with was to use the machine’s analogue-outs which would output with the frequency response re-corrected on playback. Moreover, to achieve the best possible sound quality, the team used the latest model of Sony DASH machine they could lay their hands on: the 3348HR which used much better converters than those of the original 3324. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer X Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, babadono said: For me it ends at 24bit/96kHz LPCM. The over sampling of the converters used in equipment that runs at these resolutions nowadays makes all the talk back in the day about the "harshness" of digital moot. If you like the noise and distortion that an all analog path gives that's great. To each his own. Yes, exactly. Intrigued by DSD and the PS audio Perfectwave DAC that converts all incoming to DSD, but seems like a little overkill for my use. Very happy with my $150 Topping E30 DAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Missed this the first go round: Producer Neil Dorfsman says the digital multitrack was mixed on an analog board with the resulting two track mix re-digitized via a Prism A/D converter and recorded on a DAT machine. Brothers in Arms was the first album to sell one million copies in the CD format and to outsell its LP version. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Haven't listened to those yet, but I will. Did all of this start since they started doing cd's or multi-channel? Or was it after all those master tapes got destroyed in that unexplained fire a few years back. I have a digitally done LP from the early 90s by Saga that has a punctual sound to a live recording. @Schu recall we discussed that briefly once. Some seemed to have frequencies boosted. Like the old loudness button. My "Fly Like an Eagle" from the late 70s was my first mofi record and it's still wonderful, I hope maybe it wasn't always like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 I bought the Mobile Fidelity albums because I believed the end product is better. I'm not sure I could pick out the difference between one produced from an analog master tape or a digital master tape. Not defending the company for what they did, and probably won't buy from them again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, Khornukopia said: Not defending the company for what they did, and probably won't buy from them again. Class action lawsuit filed against them: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Figures... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boom3 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Not defending deception, but this is ridiculous. Only the lawyers make money on class action suits and the average customer gets $1.98 or less. This may well push them out of business, so I hope whoever filed suit will be proud of themselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 Ain't it the truth... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 21 hours ago, jjptkd said: Class action lawsuit filed against them: 5 hours ago, boom3 said: Not defending deception, but this is ridiculous. Only the lawyers make money on class action suits and the average customer gets $1.98 or less. This may well push them out of business, so I hope whoever filed suit will be proud of themselves. 4 hours ago, billybob said: Ain't it the truth... Or the customer will get a voucher toward the next purchase, but there won't be any more product because the company goes bankrupt from legal fees. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1291 Posted August 14, 2022 Share Posted August 14, 2022 The sun come up... 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Now to grab some up at a good price lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer X Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Perhaps Shakespeare was right about the lawyers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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