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You could use Bieber and Manziel interchangeably in that sentence.

Tarheel's breakfast

And I'll kick in the fork if necessary.

Sorry to interrupt but thought this was funny. Keith Richards meeting justin beiber https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/justin-bieber-tries-bro-down-keith-richards-rolling-195000579-us-weekly.html Way to romance the Stone, bro. Justin Bieber made a very famous new friend in Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards recently, but as insiders reveal in the new issue of Us Weekly, their rock star encounter got off to a rather inauspicious start. Over New Year's, Bieber, 20, hit up a tiny beach bar on the luxe Parrot Cay island in Turks and Caicos, where "there was an old guy throwing back drinks who said, 'Who the f--k are you?'" one source recalls. In response, the "All Around the World" pop star shot back, "I don't know, who the f--k are you?" Apparently satisfied with that answer, the older gent smiled and said, "'You're a man. I respect that,' then walked away," the source tells Us. It wasn't until a few minutes later, when "another old guy and came over and told Justin, 'Keith Richards wants to have a drink with you,'" that the 71-year-old rock legend's identity was revealed. Bieber, rightly awestruck, exclaimed, "Oh, s--t! That was Keith Richards?" and then joined the Brit at a table. "Justin tried to bro down with him," a witness says, adding that a seemingly unimpressed Richards told the star, "Let's get one thing straight. You're a wannabe."

I ordered a pair of KPT 8060-H surround speakers in an attempt to enhance the sound from the front three speakers I built. The 12" versions were too big for the space on the sides, so I went with the 8060-H. I chose the 8060-H because of the bigger horn and the bigger voice coil in the driver. The shipped and arrived in less than a day. Very impressed with the service and speed from the guys at American Cinenma Supply. They arrived: Fresh out of box: Noticed the large bolt in an otherwise flush back. This is a teather strap that runs directly into the unit. Removing the bolt creates a hole in the unit: Without the Grill: Removal of Horn: The Horn & Driver: Since the speaker was far lighter than the wood version, I used a mount that I had left over from my ATS panels. Worked well. Used one of the attachment holes and drilled a new one into the speaker: Finished: Initial Impressions out of box: This isn't cheap feeling at all. Speaker feels very solid and looks very nice. Not crazy about the metal grill, but I think it will work out. The Klipsch logo on it is huge compared to their home products. Impressions with first few movies: WOW. These things hold the sound very well from front to all the way around you. For the first time I feel immersed in the sound. They seem to go well with the RB-75s. However, I may end up replacing them with another pair of 8060's just so that I can have matching surrounds for all four. These things rock! The RS-7s aren't even close to the sound these things are putting out. I perfered the RS-7s to RS-62s...but this is awesome, and at a nicer price than RS-62. Cost was 293 per speaker.

i meant not all of us are men.. NO ONE on this forum is ordinary.

well, not all of us.

Good story and thanks for sharing. Bieber is pathetic with few prospects for ever improving. I recall wondering what the kids were so enthralled with and pulled up a Bieber Youtube just to see. I couldn't stomach more than about 20 or 30 seconds and turned it off. Keith, on the other hand, is the real deal. Having said that, MORNIN" GUYS!!. Looks like an easy day. Gonna play some tunes and will shortly get my daughter on skype to wish her a happy birthday. Check back in a while.

40, wet and windy here. Work week is 60% over. I was held to one cup-o-joe this morning as my daughter informed me the last cup was for her to bring to school. Can't argue with your daughter, what are you going to do?

A gray, cold day yesterday. LF and I went to the movies......saw Wild about a woman who hikes the Pacific Coast Trail to find herself after a failed marriage (her cheating) and a bout with drug abuse and being sexually promiscuous. Nice scenery. Came home.....had dinner and watched a DVD..... Doubt with Meryl Streep and Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Good acting, so so movie. Coffee done and may go back for a third cup. Dentist appointment at 10:30. Nothing else planned. Hope everyone is well. Cheers Gents

i wonder if my invitation was lost in the mail? You were not invited this time because you have a open invitation, anytime......well anytime were home

I saw some of Ca Ira on You Tube -- not enough to form an opinion.Roger’s concerts are fantastic actually. Played nearly identical to an LP -- which i take pleasure in; however, heard a few people bashing that … accusing him of being too technically perfect and not showing any enjoyment. I disagree with them of course. In addition, I’m a fan of this guitarist named Snowy White and he was part of Roger’s band both times that I saw him. I do like and respect David Gilmour; but, wasn’t missing him while watching Snowy. Very cool. You know, Snowy has played as backup guitarist for Floyd and a lead for Roger since the 70s with Floyd. Thus, why he was so good when you saw him play with Roger. He had many years experience at those Pink Floyd songs. :-) snowy also played with phil in thin lizzy for a while, talented guy.

Just finished listening to 3 Floyd Albums while doing paperwork ,and The Cure in concert. I think now I have to put Obscured By Clouds on

Genevieve--we have at least two things in common now… (1) i’ve seen Roger twice as well (both times at the Hollywood Bowl and both times his second set was the entire Dark Side of the Moon), (2) I liked Boxx a lot too (hope you are doing okay). Steve

Trust me buddy, being in this hobby you become a season tickets holder to an annual wallet bleeding. My wallet is on life support! since I began buying vinyl, so is mine....

Got a couple things yesterday..

Nope, not this time of year, get up Earl your going to freeze to death laying on the ground like that.

The R-115SW is slightly bigger and gorgeous! The SW-115's are more industrial looking. The performance seems to be similar playing them together. The SW-115's have no visual command presence in my opinion. The R-115SW says, "Look, I'm a 15 inch sub. You can see me through the grill." On looks alone it's a winner. I have another coming later this week. Pretty cool!

Ibeza, the new avatar is cool looking. What's the story? You're either a trumpet player, or you've just killed two trumpet players and taken their weapons.

Just picked up a set of chorus II 's hooked em up and they blew my Cornwall II 's away........... Also kicked my KFL-30 's away...... Had no idea this model sounded so good. have them in a line now both sides of the room will be auditioning them over the next two weeks. Which set do you find most appealing?

Packers - Colts..........Just don't like the other teams

I know the feeling... I have a Gibson amp from the early 50's that I bought in a thrift shop 20 years ago. I remember it being a bit sticky to the touch but figured it would clean up fine. I took it home, tested it and began playing a few tunes through it. About 15-20 minutes later, I smelled smoke...but not the kind you get from an electrical fire. Rather, it distinctly smelled like stale cigarette smoke - like a bar might smell like on a Sunday morning after a busy night... only worse. I quickly realized that the 'sticky' feel was actually a very thick coating of tar that could only have accumulated over many years (probably in a bar). The tubes were also coated and after sitting around unused for gosh knows how long, they were finally warmed up enough to burn off the tar. I didn't see any smoke rising off the tubes but they were the obvious culprit. I switched off the amp, grabbed some old rags and naphtha and within a couple of hours, the amp went from dark brown (mahogany) to a light tan (leather) and I had cleaned and scraped every nook and crevice, the tubes, chassis, wires, even the speaker cone, surround and basket. The amp definitely looked and smelled better, I'm pretty sure it even sounded better and I had a couple of bags full of rags soaked with the nastiest gunk - dark brown, sticky, smelly... it was enough to make me retch. Even worse, I hadn't used gloves and my hands were sticky and stained brown. I had to wash them several times in naphtha and a few more times with scalding hot water and detergent to get the stain out... and they still had the faint stench of stale smoke for hours after that.

It's like we all have brain damage. You lunatics need to stay out of my head. Just on the grass...

I've had Cornwalls, Heresys, and Fortés.. The Chorus II's are my favorite so far. With some decent power behind then they'll give you a rock concert in your living room

Well, after all we're only ordinary men... Couldn't resist.

Trust me buddy, being in this hobby you become a season tickets holder to an annual wallet bleeding. i’ve been real good for a long while now…no new speakers…now new guitars…there’s my lovely weakness. My weakness is really computers, as far as revolving door expenses. Luckily, I can set a goal on a receiver or speakers I want, work to get them, and I'm very content for long periods of time. I just can't do that with computers though. I do a lot of graphic design, video and audio editing as a freelance designer and for my corporate world job. That makes it hard for me to not want the next best and greatest PC every year. Oh well, such is life. They don't call it bleeding edge for nothing.

It's like we all have brain damage.

We've had high school students become members. Still, it's great to have younger members on here. There's hope for good audio! And... HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Bruce

going to need pictures of this boat when completed mark

Morning Gang Upper 30s going to 60 something. 3/4 pot of the Dickinsons Blend down the hatch , been up for a few hours, final engineering on the boat. Wire sizing, Load/Amps, Colors, pretty much should slam all the wiring except Stereo today

Morning again, swilling the first cup as I type boys ready for school Dtel, Even at 71 Keith is still cool

Just gotta say...Klipsch are so damn photogenic...I mean seriously...look at that beauty. They ham up to the camera.

i wonder if my invitation was lost in the mail? You were not invited this time because you have a open invitation, anytime......well anytime were home that’s both gracious and smart of you -- you’d better keep an eye on the silverware, you know how i miss my fork. thank you though…and the same applies to you whenever you’re in this crazy part of the world … dinner is on me.

Owned so many klipsch speakers and really regret selling my Chorus II's the most.

Hey, congrats! That room is starting to get crowded, lol.

Sometimes I whine. I also have four herniated disks (two in my neck that are absolutely horrible) pain every day -- some days i don’t notice it as much. But, i hear what you’re saying -- i’ve seen some with tremendous physical burdens and they have an incredibly positive attitude and drive to do all they can. it’s pretty humbling. Pain . . . unpleasant, and sometimes much worse. Sad to say about our specie, though, that it is not good times and good feelings that bring about our growth. Have you noticed how with good times and material plenty that we simply are quite disposed to remain where we are, as we are? We become protective of the way things are, and actually oppose change? That we seem most open to examining our selves and our lives when we are, instead, in pain of some sort . . . .

one suggestion is the klipsch k28 - 4 ohms woofer from the H3 - it is a phenomenal woofer versus the k24 and definitely better at delivering bass -

you’re only new here once…then you’re one of US or one of THEM (clever Floyd reference, huh?)

Good Evening Jim--i think you have a fine idea there.

I saw some of Ca Ira on You Tube -- not enough to form an opinion. Roger’s concerts are fantastic actually. Played nearly identical to an LP -- which i take pleasure in; however, heard a few people bashing that … accusing him of being too technically perfect and not showing any enjoyment. I disagree with them of course. In addition, I’m a fan of this guitarist named Snowy White and he was part of Roger’s band both times that I saw him. I do like and respect David Gilmour; but, wasn’t missing him while watching Snowy.

I can assure you both it is the first. The full photo is actually me with both horns, along the front-soundstage of my first RF setup (my own personal system). The brass horn is a King that I got when I was 7 years old, and has been with me through hell a few trips through. That horn is affectionately known as "Lindsey." After I dropped out of school, I still managed to slink back into the high school to play in band. I got the Selmer-Bach (the silver horn) when I was 15 (that one I named "Kimmie"). Up until 2 years ago, I would allow a certain student in the local public school system to use "Lindsey" for their year if they couldn't afford a horn of their own. I had my own application and screening process that I was extremely strict on. That stopped due to one bad apple that caused some pretty nasty warping of the bell (which I since fixed). The silver horn has never been used by anyone other than myself though, and is used almost exclusively as a performing symphonic horn (i.e. marching? forget it. Symphony? TOTALLY!) Horns of all variety hold a special place in my heart.

i wonder if my invitation was lost in the mail?

Hey Floydian Trooper (cool name by the way…love Floyd plus I’m a huge Yes fan and they have a song called Starship Trooper, yes i know i’ve bored you already)…just wanted to say welcome. I’ve seen half of The Floyd (Roger and Nick). The best Floyd related story (and it’s not very captivating) is that i have a t-shirt that has a picture of Floyd the barber from the Andy Griffith show; but, his image is colored pink -- thus Pink Floyd. I was in Lake Tahoe a few months back and wore it one evening, I can’t count how many positive comments and looks that i received…one guy actually stopped playing blackjack as i walked by to give me a high five. oh yeah, one time i saw Roger in concert, Nick Mason was there and sat at the drums for the second set (DSOTM). Welcome and hope you make tons of friends and enjoy the place. Steve

First for a quick “Orwellian-like two minutes of hate” moment…… Walking down the sidewalk, PWK sees Dr. Bose, and then he quickly turns and faces the wall of the building and yells: "Hey Dr. Bose, how's business?" Dr. Bose proceeds to cup his hands around his mouth and yells: "Hey Paul, I can't understand a thing you said" PWK turns towards Dr. Bose, cups his hands around his mouth, and yells: "Have a nice day!" From time to time I seem to receive the same criticism in regards to my Khorns when outside of the Klipsch forum or the Lansing-Heritage forum. Many times when I encounter someone with very 'traditional and expensive speakers' I get a reaction such as; "you must be brave to buy those ear-splitters with all of that colored sound and actually willing to talk about them." In many instances when these 'critics' get a chance to actually listen to something that they are familiar with, they tend to come around. When I brought my Jubilees over the border from Canada I had the border tied up with traffic about a quarter mile deep as none of the border guards had ever seen speakers that large and had to all gather around the van to "inspect" them. The guys even called the girls over to the van to question them to see if any of the girls would guess they were even speakers and then proceeded to ask if any would let them in the living room. While they all expressed a level of intrigue, none wanted to own them. Regarding the Bose bashing, while poking around the internet I find pockets of Klipsch bashing too and I suspect that it may be one of those internet phenomena. In addition, many have not researched and do not realize that Dr. Amar G. Bose attended the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he earned a doctoral degree in electrical engineering in 1956 and did a significant amount of research in understanding and attempting to duplicate concert hall acoustics. Just some random thoughts while on the topic....... Acknowledging the different paths taken, PWK and Dr. Bose looked at aspects of the problem from different points of view that were also different from the standard of many designers of the time and both came up with radically different answers. While the paradigm pursued by Dr. Bose is less than perfect, his execution of the 901 loudspeaker only seemed to scratch the surface in relation to the importance of room acoustics. Nevertheless, Dr. Bose overcame significant problems other designers had using the conventional wisdom of the time that most of these designers probably never even thought about, let alone tried to solve. Since it is always about compromise, the limitations of the 901 are just "different" than conventional speakers and we will find that some listeners would rather live with those limitations rather than what the “audio enthusiast” considers acceptable. That’s life and it isn’t going to change any time soon. As alluded to earlier, the interesting aspect of Dr. Bose’ research that he examined and wrote about in his ‘white paper’ was the question of understanding and attempting to duplicate concert hall acoustics. For anyone that should read the papers, there is a lot of thought provoking insight. While I fully realize that the Khorn uses the room corners, a significant aspect of the 901 is that it was the first (and maybe the only) speaker that was intentionally designed to be totally integrated with a room's acoustics and the end performance of the speakers entirely depends upon the skill of the person doing the room integration. A great source and a great room implentation will result in great sound reproduction. A crap recording and crap consderation of the interaction with the room will result in crap sound. Gee, where have I heard that before? Then let’s not forget that the measuring tools and insights that we have today were not available back in 1968. For example; The notion of a laptop computer was inconceivable. Does anyone remember the four-function calculator that cost well over $100 in 1968 dollars? For the computers that did exist, the programming was done using Fortran and consisted of using “punch cards,” trying to compile the program, receiving a list of errors, resolving errors over and over again until the program ran. Pull two quarters out of your pocket and you could buy a gallon of gas and a pack of cigarettes. McDonalds did NOT have a value menu of dollar items, but had an advertising campaign of; "You get change back from your dollar" for the entire meal. Solid state amplifiers were mostly crap and did not have nearly enough juice to truly recognize the bass the 901 could generate. Consistent with Dean, I believe that the original Bose 901 and 901 Series II definitely needed some type of tweeter arrangement for the high frequencies as they tended to be somewhat rolled off (K77 anyone?); however, with the appropriate amplifier, they are capable of deep bass. While I believe that the total area of the drivers have an aggregate area that is approximately the same as a 15" woofer, I believe that the maximum excursion is probably only about 3 mm, which would probably mean that several would need to be stacked for high SPL output. I seem to remember reading about measurements taken by the old Hirsch-Hauk Labs (of Audio League Report fame) when the 901s first came out that showed that at high volume they would have output down to 26Hz and at lower volume to about 23Hz. If I’m remembering correctly, to Dean’s point, the 901s had about 10% THD, which would have been about twice an Acoustic Research 12" woofer of that day, but most listeners could not hear the distortion of either the 901 or Acoustic Research. In addition to needing a perfect room for optimal play, to even try to equalize the system to be flat took significant amounts of power that far exceeded most amps of the late 1960s. For example, to generate the same output at 30Hz that a person could get with one watt at 1 KHz, without doing the math, I suspect it would take a 10 dB boost and about 500 watts or more. The catch being that the 901 was only rated at 270 continuous watts, hence the reference above to stacking a few to achieve loud and deep bass. I realize the whole Consumer Reports fiasco with the 901; however, I suspect a significant portion of the backlash from the “audio enthusiast” may have ramped up on the internet more from the "Acoustimass" systems with the infamous “bass module” in relation to the pricing and mass market appeal that those little black cubes captured. However, the interesting aspect is that the criticism generally begins and ends with Bose amongst “audio enthusiast” when in reality I believe that the accusation can be levied against any HTiB system and any micro speaker system produced as they ALL demonstrate the same or similar limitations in terms of sound reproduction. There again, there is no ‘free lunch’ and with any micro system a person will 'pay a price' in terms of performance for the smaller size and it comes down to that person’s individual needs, desires and priorities. Over on AVS, many home theatre enthusiasts state that tower speakers are the best sounding while on this forum, yet others will have nothing less than “pro cinema” in their homes. However, to the general consumer there seems to be just as many people that think large towers look like crap and aesthetics come into the decision making process no matter how much they like to deny it. Just look around at how many blame it on WAF. During the CES threads, I found it interesting how many people on this forum did not take the time to understand the broader Klipsch target market for the core products and were very critical of the CES show. If I should find myself in the market for tower speakers, those Reference Premiere sure would be at the top of my list. In many respects the same goes for Bose as their target market is definitely not the “audio enthusiast” that is interested in specifications, which may be more of the reason why they don't publish specifications. Essentially, they don't have to because people are still buying the product in huge volumes and they are NOT after the niche market of the “audio enthusiast.” I suspect that most who buy Bose do so for convenience and aesthetics and may just be looking for some level of "pleasing-to-them" sound. I'm just wondering how close Apple came to buying Bose instead of Beats.....

Same here, bought it in 84, along with a new Yamaha cd player, the player was $400! All my friends thought I was crazy spending 2 weeks pay for a new device they're never heard of. And yes, I still have that cd. Isn't funny how we remember stuff like that? I found my receipt last year... bought a Yamaha CD-500 on Aug 16th, 1986 for $370. That was closer to 3 or 4 weeks pay for me. The laser finally gave out after 12 years or so. Hang on to that early CD! I think it sounds better than most remastered versions. It certainly has better dynamics but the MFSL version is very nice too.

Use the Forte II & main & Forte as Center.

IF he has to go Heresy, I think Heresy II would be the closest match: same mid-range. Quartet could also work well...

Be sure you post pictures of you once you're up on the bar doing you best Pee Wee Herman dance to "Tequila".

Sorry for your loss.

I received the joy of being able to see this Thank you all