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This was a quick and first impression. If someone is bathed in a serious comparison, let me know. It's going to take me some time but I'll do that in a weekend. They are more similar to each other than different. If I ask my girlfriend blindfolded to pick the latest speaker (CW4) she would have no idea. What I did hear was that the Chorus had slightly more bass (I was surprised) but also a more pleasing bass. More punch/tight. Difference was slightly but noticeable. With the mids the CW4 was more neutral. More easy to listen. Chorus was slightly sounding like a horn (again, slightly..) and could be with some songs a bit sharp with the midhorn. With a dull sounding song this could give the song some more bite, what was more pleasing for me. But other songs could sound a bit to sharp. I can understand that some like the mids from the CW4 better with these songs . I had the feeling that the CW4 was better with creating a soundstage, more was happening between the speakers (would have to check this better to be sure) For me the Chorus won with the bass, the CW4 with his midhorn... But again, They were very similar as speakers, certainly no day and night difference, and surtenly not " the CW4 smokes the Cornwall", etc

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I'm back to normal again. got reminded of this old favorite of mine by the highway within a stones throw from my seat! Where's my elephant killer? Got the gold right here in the back of my memories.

Don't let his friends see this

Juan Carlos Ruiz Burgos 'Silence of the Lambs' screen print

Rory Kurtz 'A Clockwork Orange' screen print

I'll leave y'all with one... No, a few wild rides! * Wait, if you order right now we'll send you two! Two for the price of one. It slices, it dices and Ronco guarantees it will be one more thing in the back of your cabinet very soon

@billybob I don't know.. 120+ hours of playtime now, I will be surprised if the speaker will change that much with more break in time. But who knows, more punchy/tighter bass would be welcome. @mikebse2a3and no, no problem with sharing a picture of the room. Nothing special to see and this can give an idea of the room and acoustic perhaps Behind me is the kitchen, but I don't think this will effect the acoustic in any way

Durieux of Jim Jarmusch's 'Mystery Train' screen print

I've run the wall of sound before... it's just different. try it if you want to experience the sensation, but 2 channel will yield more precise imaging and dimension.

Jason Raish 'The Dark Knight' screen print

Sure... But it was a short comparison, Not done in an audiophile perfect correct way. I played 8 different songs in total. After the song was complete I switched from speakers, then the first speaker set is completely pushed aside and the other set placed in exactly the same place. Reconnect the cables to the new speakerset, and listen. On the picture you can see where the CW4 is placed. This was the position for both speakersets. But it was just a message, not a question for help

Good day, I do my best to tell my story as clearly as possible, but I'm Dutch and English ain't my native language. My apologies if I am formulating strange sentences or misusing words. I would like to share my personal story/short review and opinion about the Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4 I also hope to initiate a conversation where Cornwall listeners and interested parties share their experience and opinion. I think it's nice to read each other's opinions and experiences, but maybe this can also be informative for others. To my great frustration, I could hardly find any information about the Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4. A listening demo at the dealer was possible, but there I listen to a different audio set in a different room with different acoustics. Also, an A/B comparison between the Cornwall 3 and the 4 is not possible. So any information I could find was welcome... And this was very disappointing. A little bit of information about my situation: I am a lover of the Heritage sound. Have also owned a number of Heritage speakers and now own the Cornwall 4. I don't have much experience and knowledge in the audio field and have almost only listened to Klipsch speakers. Read my experience and opinion as a great enthusiast, but nothing more than that. As equipment I have a tube amplifier, the Dynaco ST70 with El34, the NAS 1000s as a preamplifier and the Cambridge Cxn V2 as a streamer (Tidal) Listening room is a living room of 12m x 5.5m where the speakers are placed on the long wall. While impressed with the Chorus 1 I owned at the time, I was looking for more and decided to give the Heritage 4 a shot. After a listening demo at a very good hi-fi shop, I was impressed by the CW4 and Forte4. In this demo I found the Forte4 only the winner. The CW4 sounded bigger, more open, but also quite boomy. Maybe because I was used to the Chorus, which has very little bass. Maybe because of the acoustics or because of the equipment that was used. I don't know, but on this demo, the Forte 4 won me over due to the dominant bass of the CW4. But my interest was triggered in the Heritage 4 line. By pure chance I came into contact with a man who had a nice set of CW3 and wanted to sell it. I was able to buy them for a very reasonable amount and so the Chorus 1 went into the corner of the living room and the CW3 was now set up. Perhaps this speaker was enough of an upgrade for me and a heritage 4 speaker set was not even necessary. It took me a while to get used to the CW3. The basses were much fuller and more present. The CW3 could also sound quite boomy at times. The midrange seemed a bit smaller than with the Chorus 1. But overall I thought it was an upgrade compared to the Chorus. It sounded more like a full range speaker, only the bass was sometimes a bit too fat and I had the idea that the midrange was smaller and less open. (I have never checked with an A/B test whether this is correct) After a period of getting used to, I can only say that I really liked the sound of the CW3. Maybe not perfect, but I could really enjoy the sound that the speakers produced. Still, the CW4 continued to itch. All reviews are so very positive about this speaker. I couldn't find any negative opinion or experience anywhere. So yes.. I remained greedy for more. More of all this fine and good.. So the need to try the CW4 still remained alive. After owning the CW3 for a few weeks, I was offered a nice deal from another hi-fi dealer. There I got a listening demo and I could listen to the CW4 for the second time. This time I brought my own amplifier. Again the CW4 sounded different than expected. The bass was fine now, but I thought the sound was a bit duller than the CW3 I had at home. Again no idea what caused this, acoustics, his tube preamp or his streamer. But if I were to judge purely on my impression of this demo, I wouldn't have bought the CW4. However, because of all the rave reviews I read, and also because I spoke to someone on facebook who had made the upgrade from the CW3 to CW4 and was very positive about it, and because there was also a bit of greed played with it, I took the gamble and i bought them. I had hooked up and positioned the CW4 exactly as I had done with the CW3. 3 meters between the speakers, listening position 3.5 meters from the speakers. Towed the speakers in so they are facing me and removed the grill. The first thing I noticed was a clear sound. The small details were more audible. And the midrange seemed a bit bigger. Until it was really time to go to sleep I listened to music, which amounts to about 10 hours of listening to music. My first findings are therefore based on speakers and my ears that probably still need to break in. I hear some say 200 hours, 50 hours, and others say that breaking in speakers is bullshit. I have no idea who is saying the right thing, time will tell. After two days of listening, these are my first findings: -the CW4 seems to have a larger midrange -the CW4 shows more detail (I'm sure of this) -the sound seems a bit clearer with the CW4 - the bass is significantly less. The CW3 could sometimes sound a bit boomy and there I sometimes wanted to turn the bass back with the tone control. With the CW4 this is the opposite, I have now turned up the bass by +1/+2. - the bass seems a bit tighter from the CW4 and I think I hear a bit more detail. -overall the sound of the CW4 seems a bit more analytical a bit more "audiophile" - the speaker looks really nice. I really like it a lot better than the CW3 -I can't get used to the new grill of the CW4. And that's because of the color. There is a kind of yellowish bronze glow over the grill which I don't like matching with that chic walnut veneer. Plain black or silver/iron look would have been much nicer. Unfortunately.. -the CW3 seems a bit warmer in the sound, a bit more easy to listen to. -the CW3 sometimes seems a bit more airy in the midrange, playing the music with a little more ease. I find this a bit more difficult to describe. But this is something that always struck me with the CW3.. The ease with which some instruments were reproduced. It sounded very light and detailed. The CW4 also does this with a lot of detail and dynamics, but I miss the ease in it.. The airy sound. (maybe because they need some more break in time, who knows) Based on my first impression, is the CW4 the better speaker? I do think that the sound is different/improved on a number of points compared to the CW3. Whether it's the speaker that still needs to break in, or my ears that still have to get used to it, I don't know. But the CW3 definitely contains something in the sound, warmth..a certain ease and emotion which I don't hear in the CW4 yet and which I really liked with the CW3. So far my very first impression after two days of listening to the CW4. I know that things can still change and there is also a good chance that I will come back to my previous findings. My intention is to update this topic later and share my thoughts on the CW4 again. I'd also like to share a bit of text from a conversation I had with someone who thought their CW3 sounded better than the CW4. I find it so striking because for me this was the first and only person I heard talk less positive about the CW4 and even thought the CW3 sounded better and so did his friend. His friend also changed his CW4 for a CW3. Now that I own the CW4 myself and can compare the 3 with the 4, I recognize some comments and I understand better why the CW4 might not be a better speaker for everyone. my personal findings are still the same, my general impression of cornwall III is that it sounds more open and fuller than the cornwall IV, maybe the cornwall IV goes a bit more in detail, but when it comes to live music, the cornwall III gives you the feeling that you are in the middle of it .it just makes me smile... it's something strange...if you've never heard or had cornwall and you hear or buy cornwall IV then you think wow I'm never getting rid of this one! and then you really don't think after that I'm going to cornwall III because the general trend is loudspeakers are getting better and better... but if you've had the cornwall III first, and then you hear or buy cornwall IV, Then it can be positive or perhaps disappointing , because they sound different...and cornwall III sounds better to me. but who am I ... tastes differ, opinions differ, listening and comparing yourself is still the best, chances are you will be disappointed if you go from III to IV! I personally would never trade my III for an IV. meanwhile my friend has exchanged his IV for a III and is very happy!

And almost 2 months later: +1 on running a single Aegir, in my case with Chorus 1 speakers. Very happy with the sound quality and quiet noise floor. More than adequate power for ~2100 cubic foot room.

That is a visually stunning piece of art P.S. - I have the record My daughter has visited Japan on a few occasions and the last time stayed at the Godzilla hotel Every day a giant Godzilla activates and hangs over the building

They're getting better, not putting stuff I'd leave the coliseum upon hearing up on the right. One by this guy, it's alright. Not Beck doing "Scatterbrain" but inventive.

shades of Mork and Mindy I stumbled into being able to post pics.... just not here. Yet to downsize the files so I can post here.... that will come. It only took me a couple hours of pushing buttons before I got to posting a pic wife was trying to help me by reading instructions... which assume you have a basic handle on computerese..... which tends to be a chinglish translation... By me figuring it out myself, I will remember how

So WE would be welcome

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Interesting thoughts about the horns. What I still don't really hear in the CW4 and what I did hear in the CW3 is a certain lightness around certain sounds. For example, brushes over the fleece of a drum. That sound came with the CW3 very airy, loose and detailed from the midhorn. That gave me a very realistic experience. CW4 does this great too, nothing wrong with it, but I miss that airy feeling around the brushes. To make sure, I'm not saying the CW4 ain't good. I really like this speaker. It's just doing some things a bit different.

I pick them up tomorrow ill post picks 👍

I Found a Pair Thank You

Paul Mann Japanese version of 'Destroy All Monsters' screen print

Juan Carlos Ruiz Burgos 'Joker' Screen Print.

Durieux 'The Master'... screen print

Photos of your LS might help.

Guess it still comes back to break-in of the 4s. Chorus with the k-48 does have good bass. ☕

You had plenty of time to finish your magazine.

My dad's sister laughed with me about it and just said I wasn't a country boy! So it isn't unheard of, but it was a first for me. Was a bit much to put on my Neeses Sausage sandwich when scrambled but I made it work.

That's awesome... is that the hotel that has the 3D billboard panel in the corner? This is a The Thing 3D Lenticular of the original painting.

Thank you for sharing your findings Flevoman.

Paul Mann 'Close encounters' screen print

Back in 2007, I bought a sofa and armchair from La-Z-Boy. As they suggested, I brought a magazine and spent quite a while sitting on various reclining chairs before I narrowed it down to the one that seemed ideal, as confirmed by a comfortable half-hour sit. I picked the fabric and colour that I liked, and learned that the reclining armchair would cost $1,000CAD and the reclining sofa would cost $2,000CAD. "Okay, payment made, when do I get my stuff?" Well, it turns out that the store carries no stock, just samples, and every piece is made to order, down in Georgia or somewhere near there, and then trucked all the way to Vancouver Island. You don't hear about that in the TV ads. They said it would take a few weeks. It took twelve weeks! On the bright side, customer service was great when there were some minor issues in the first few months, and I'm still sitting comfortably on the reclining sofa, in the stereo's sweet spot. I even sleep on the sofa sometimes. And the furniture still looks like new. In this case, it did turn out to be worth the wait. I'm sure your Jubilees will also be worth the wait. On the bright side, you're still at or near the front of the line.

Funny … I ordered two doors with installation in October 2021 and was told the factory wouldn’t deliver to Lowes until mid January 2022 and a month to schedule the installation after that. Door arrived in mid January and actual installation wasn’t completed until mid March and don’t even get started on the total lack of communication from all parties involved in the process. Crazy Times we are living in currently.🙃 miketn

Thanks for the confirmation. I was leaning that way with the trim. Too bad it didn’t prevent the moisture swelling. They surely don’t need to be louder! If that’s the only advantage I’ll pass. If I wanna be louder I have La Scalas upstairs. 😉

You've got plenty of room for a third Cornwall or a Heresy for a center.

The South and Central American beans have been the better ones affordable for me last couple years. Used to buy Kona once a year about this time. The blight they had then volcano damage all within a couple of years six or so ago messed them up. It wasn't worth the money last time. Jamaican? Nope too high and I mean the $. Got my mind blown a while ago. Jumbo eggs were only 10 cents more that XLarge so I got `em. Opened two and got three yolks! What a trip

Man will say congrats when you get them. First thing will be to listen...lol. Sure you will get some input. Cool!

You''ll need at least 5 posts to activate the PM .............PRIVATE MESSAGE feature , but I think you can send a PM ,as we speak , but you cant receive PM's until you reach 5-6 posts , -move your cursor over your avatar .........which is your user name , and bottom left is ............message , click on message , write your message and add @ClaudeJ1 as the recipient ........easy , simple

if it wasn't for your snow, George..... I won't even try to post an album cover pic.... Steppenwolf For Ladies Only. all that wiener wagon stuff I'm confused... I see info saying cannabis slows brain development... and then they say that covid can age your brain.... can you call that a wash?

it's traditionally always been MUCH CHEAPER to copy something than it is to theorize, test, refine and develop something from a blank page. IN ADDITION, the constant fractionalization of the US dollar doesn't help with control of and the purchasing power of... therefore resulting in rising costs/profit mechanisms. I think that a $5000-$15000 high performance speaker is not really all that expensive in relative terms for that market. If it is for a person, then the speaker is not for you... never sacrifice your livelihood for a pastime.

I think it's actually more interesting than that. If the tweeter filter is connected before the 13uf capacitor, the load on the 13uf capacitor stays consistent, and the voltage drop across the capacitor will approach zero as frequency increases. Taps 0-5 will eventually get the full voltage. If the tweeter filter is connected to tap 5, the load on the 13uf capacitor becomes a bell curve, peaking out around 500-700hz. After that, the load drops quickly. At the rate the load is dropping, the voltage drop across the 13uf capacitor actually levels off, even though the frequency is increasing. That extra voltage drop never gets to taps 0-5. I'm guessing that's why Klipsch changed autoformers when they went with the elliptical tweeter filter. Since that filter is attached before the 13uf capacitor, it doesn't mess with the load on the capacitor, and more autoformer attenuation was needed.

I know right. My guys and I must suck at this……you can ask all you want. Doesn’t mean I have to answer. And it’s because my answers will not matter. Mr K had a sign on his desk that I always laughed at…..don’t bother me with the facts. I got my mind made up.

It’s not panel resonance you hear…. think more like acoustical standing wave resonance that is suppressed in the new design. miketn

There are so many variables in music playback systems, room environments and listener preferences that it is good to learn from everyone's experiences, to help guide me on my audio journey.

anytime someone says... 'requires' or 'needs' to be in the corner i just have to roll my eyes... The owners preference may be for the boundary layer reinforcement... or it may not. if you are searching for every last Hertz you can squeeze out of a mechanical device, then maybe a Corner is for you. OR You could build wings and take that device out of the corners and placement wherever you want OR Perhaps you could add a Subwoofer to fill in ANY losses experienced by displacing of the device from a boundary layer... there are many choices.

OK ODS you don't even have an idea what the gathering was for. It was about crossover design and Roy used 3rd gen and 4th gen speakers to demonstrate Linkwitz Riley and Butterworth and DB slopes effect on sound. It was not about selling us on new stuff as you so arrogantly assume. Do you realize how silly you sound?

This will never be settled on this forum. With any product a newer model is going to be touted as better then the old, for instance cars. A Cornwall is an expensive investment for most people. Those may just want to replace the woofer with a newer one to tighten the bass. The brains of any speaker system is the crossover. Small changes there are really going to change the sound either better or worse. Different drivers for the horn are also going to change the sound. For those on a budget with the older Cornwalls experimenting doing these changes is a much better solution then changing the entire speaker system for a newer model. I am sure there are differences in the sound of an older Cornwall vs a model lV but IMHO subtle when an older Cornwall is going to sound great as well. Then there are those on this forum that can afford to change speaker systems and I am sure they can hear differences over the previous one they had. There are no dogs, no matter how old, in the Heritage line. An older Heritage speaker is most likely going to sell for more then the original owner paid for it. Great investment most cannot say with any other speaker other then the giants of the audio world such as Altec Lansing, JBL, etc. A lot of nitpicking goes on in any product forum. There is a mid driver that is rarely talked about on this forum that I have found to be an excellent sounding one for not a lot of money. The Selenium D250-X that cost $100 a pair. Selenium is a value product from JBL. It uses a phenolic diaphragm that many claim to be a smoother sounding one. All I can say for the owners of the older Heritage speakers is give it a try. Not a lot of money considering the price on a new Heritage speaker. About the price of a good meal for the family these days. Eminence make some of the best woofers one can buy. One of the brands Klipsch has, if not uses now, for some of their speakers. Experimenting changing for a newer one of them is another alternative.

I’ve found that the only way I can reliably compare good speakers , is to listen to them at home , in my listening room ,for several days or longer . If I’m listening to a real dog, well those are easy to detect at the audio store , I can eliminate those immediately , but deciding on the merits of one great speaker from another , for me that takes some time , and after I’ve decided which speaker does various things better or worse than the other , then its time to figure out which one is more enjoyable to listen to.

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