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She saw the speakers and didn't demand that I return them. Not only that, she sat right down in the listening chair without my request and enjoyed a few tunes. I then turned them way louder and we danced around the living room to some bops. I call that a big win. They aren't as "imposing" as I thought they may be (except, if I put a "normal" sized speaker in the same room). These are, undoubtedly, a great addition to our home. Looking forward to years of enjoyment. Thanks to all for offering their input.

40 below zero and I found myself standing outside with a pot of boiling water.

Kid's dad is an electrical engineer so that kid has everything electric you can imagine. Got an electric bike last spring. I'm sittin out back and there he is. grinnin at me. Then it was the collection of toy guns to shoot targets with. Not dart guns but something that fires lil wads. So he's gonna show me how to shoot. Then it was hit football he kicked up on the roof, which took out 3 pieces of soffit. His dad was gonna fix it but that never happened so now there are 4 pieces after the high winds. So Dad wonders how I am? Pray for me cause those arrows are the real deal. Maybe his dad could make me an electric chair?

It’s the most brilliant album - you need to add it to the collection mate But first have a listen to the album and I’m sure you will agree Bass – Jeff Berlin Drums, Percussion, Liner Notes, Producer – Bill Bruford Guitar – Allan Holdsworth Keyboards – Dave Stewart Vocals – Annette Peacock

Thanks I went with a Xilica XP3060 a couple of years ago. I still don't have the amps that I want, but most of the time I don't listen very loud.

Years ago my brother and I were hanging out in our back yard and we heard our neighbors shooting their .22 at something. we didn’t think much of it since they were always shooting at squirrels or snakes around the property. A moment later we hear a wizzzzz right past us and a leaf on the branch next to my head pops loose and drifts to the ground. Apparently they were shooting at a squirrel in a tree in the vacant area between our houses and weren’t paying attention to what was beyond their target. IIRC @Marvel offered to shoot at the squirrel from our direction with his Mini-14.

That's kind of what I pictured, or at the least looking out for arrows if he is shooting, a bow is scary, you will not hear it. Keep a lookout

For anyone not in the states

This is a thread veer/side story: I read an interview with Rupert Neve, whose company makes/made high end audio consoles. He had a big name engineer who called him about a problem with one of his big mixers. There was a noise at about 40Khz. He could hear it... they tracked it down to a bad solder joint on a channel. I am actually glad my hearing isn't that good.

Gray skies, a bit more snow and cold af outside. Middle of next week they're calling for mid-40's? Crazy. Neighbor kid next door sent me a txt to see what was shakin. Told him no cabin fever yet. Then I asked if his 12 yr old had been out deer hunting w/his 40# compound bow he got for Christmas. lolol All I need is a kid with a compound bow and 8 arrows next door. Can't wait til spring and he's out in HIS back yard with it. I'm a dead man!

HA!!! Let's go! Let's roll baby roll !

In honor of my past bud CigarBum https://www.barrettfh.com/obituary/robert-greene

I picked them up and been listening for 30 minutes. HOLY SHIT… chills. With the right recordings, It’s like listening with headphones that immerse your entire body. Haven’t felt that except at a concert. Ramsey Lewis Trio, Jacob Collier, Tori Kelly, Mozart, Ty Dolla Sign… these do it better than anything I’ve ever heard in a home setting. I was seriously considering getting the Quartets for a good bit cheaper, and maybe I would have loved those too, but man, I’m not complaining one bit. As far as moving them, I did need help getting them into my Honda sedan (one in back seat, one hanging out the trunk), but I successfully gently unloaded them, got them on the dolly, and got them up 2 big flights of stairs on my own. I’m not a big guy either—130 lbs. Worth every penny. Wife is on her way home after being away for a week. Surprise!

Yeah, I put the 301 back in service the other day. I hadn't listened to them for a few years. They sounded fantastic. I have to lol in that the KP301s are bookshelf speakers compared to the MCM1900, both in size and sound. 🤯

Oops yes, I had to look these up, saw the same photos and the other many items you had. 🤣 Best of luck, in your sale

Don't use any silicone on the driver threads. The brittle/dried out washer can be replaced with a faucet/garden hose washer. Just make sure the hole in the washer isn't too small.

So all drivers are working now. My new K-77M diaphragm seems a little brighter/crisper than the old one in the other speaker. Overall the speakers sound fine, but I'm not awestruck yet. I think my JBLs sound punchier, for lack of a better word. I recognize there are so many factors at play. Maybe the AL XO will be the first thing to be upgraded, i.e. replaced. I might wrap the K400 (over painters tape so I can later remove). Seems like a controversial topic! Before I do that, I recall there was a tip about putting a bead of silicone around something on the squawker, perhaps where the driver screws into the horn? There is a thin red gasket there now, that seems pretty brittle.

Clear, Detail, Resolution is the norm for description of passive preamps. To me they always lack foundation or body they just seem incomplete....

Thanks

Hi billybob, not sure what you mean. I have run 14 gauge cable through the ceilings and walls to the speaker positions keeping all runs at least 12inches from any mains electric cables and crossing at 90deg where i neded to cross. havn't run the cables in the media wall yet but was going to run them in 14gauge aswell.

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My first piece of advice I can give you is stop going by what you're told and go by what YOU hear. This is a self-gratification type hobby. If the sound from your own system pleases you the job is complete. Also do not be so presumptuous as to think just because you love how it sounds others should too! There are absolutely no absolutes in this hobby. Now onto the rest...I suggest you invest in a better digital front end...if everything is "right" you should hear very little difference in the sound of the two formats. Do not think this requires megabucks to be spent. Look for the latest greatest DAC from 5 or more years ago on the used market and also make sure you are listening to digital recordings up to the task. Good Luck Craig PS don't get me wrong I'm a vinyl lover! But digital can sound every bit as good if done right.

Another cold one for South Texas, but at least there's some good news reported down in Port Mansfield....

No fault to my Lascalas if I used a crap SS receiver! I recall PWK used a Crown SS amp. (Crown was super in the day) Raven Audio is a small company in Texas not exactly doling out the dough to get positive biased reviews. To say this of Raven Audio doesn't mean there isn't alot of bias and "incentive" for reviewers to kiss up tp the big money companies to secure future free equipment to "Review". Sounds like a great gig if you can get it! lol However, the more consistent reason you rarely if ever read a bad review of anything is many reviewers when confronted with a sour piece of kit will simply not publish the negative review based on the old adage: If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. Even so, I have read reviews where you can tell the reviewer is struggling to find some redeeming qualities even if by comparison. (Its better than BLAH, BLAH, BLAH) Robinson's review of the Lascala is fantastic and reflects what we all know. He now personally owns Lascalas as his main speakers. I doubt Klipsch needed to slip him $50 or a half off coupon to entice him to write a positive review. The sad thing is as brick and mortar stores are closing fewer of us can audition the options before we buy. Reading reviews and trying to read between the lines of said reviews unfortunately becomes the default method of choosing equipment. Sad really but those HI-Fi rooms never were ideal environments to base a decision on anyway. I should know, I sold McIntosh, etc. All this to say, as a new member here, its great to be rubbing elbows with all of you Klipsch aficionados. I hope to learn alot and maybe tips on how to give my Lascalas every advantage so they can shine even brighter! The improvement with the integrated tube amp definitely showed me the only thing holding Lascalas back is what goes into them!

I did write a reply but something must have gone awry! I have ended up with the Willsenton R300 and couldn’t be happier. I was strongly leaning to the Cary, as I’ve been very keen on going to a simple 300B amp. The R300 is stunning, right out of the gate with no hours on it. Even my fiancée had an immediate reaction of “this sounds much better” though in comparison to the Bluesound. The sound is big, three dimensional, and vocals sound sublime. Bass is fantastic too which was a big worry. I actually think the R300 beats the PrimaLuna I had, at least in some areas, but considering the price it’s a killer and I don’t think I’ll be looking to change for some time (tube rolling notwithstanding after getting some serious hours on the stock kit).

I have to admit I’m not as technically knowledgeable as you are, but have a general understanding. That said, my experience with class D has been let’s say, less than stellar. Not bad, per se, but very boring and clinical. I just find the presentation to be unappealing. My little Bluesound does a decent job, and is great for general AV and background music duties, but it just lacks that wow factor. I’d be interested in hearing some of the more advanced and pricey class D options for comparison though.

Sounds like fun! The first arrow that lands in my back yard? Going out to get it when the range is clear, snap it over my knee and give it back to him in two pieces. This kid has zero common sense but I get that too. lol

If using an AVR with a phono connect, and all the parts work well together: the soundbar may give you the extra bass you are looking for.

Easy enough to cover his house and surrounding 5-10 acres in that valley your above. Almost spit coffee on my counter when I read that.

How young(or old) are you? Just goofing on you, never seen Wayne's World?

I got the speakers out and the ohm out to the following: Tweeter - 6.5 Top woofer - 6.7 Bottom woofer - 6.9 I also did a 9v test on them and they did crackle a bit but the diaphragm did not move much. I assume because the 9v battery I was using was not powerful enough. I will be pulling out the crossover today and cleaning and inspecting it. I will update. Thanks again deang and all who have advised me here. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your input!

Steve Huff did a review on the Raven Audio Nighthawk you may want to "google" it to see how he interpreted "entry level". The Nighthawk is the "entry level" for the Raven company (which tells you more about how good it gets going up their line from their 'entry level') but the sound quality is... well....I've owned one and its fantastic. Especially with Klipsch speakers! Maybe because this is my first tube amp since the 1970's (when tube amps had a few details to refine {McIntosh} ). Any way they have a 45 days trial deal if you aren't thrilled to pieces. I was simply blown away by the "human-ness" of the vocals and realism of the music in general. In fact, not to go crazy, my Lascalas exhibited many of the classic negative characteristics too often regurgitated by so-called Klipsch critics. But with the Raven Nighthawk for the first time I felt like I had achieved a level of musical reproduction that was above and beyond any expectations I had for what I'd ever be able to afford. No itch yet...

My zerk fittings are cold as steel

That's just me, but whenever I tried passive preamps or connected an adjustable output, e.g. from a Bluesound Node or a CD player, directly to the power amp, I found the sound to be very open and full of resolution. But on the other hand, I missed the "meat", the punch of the sound, the timing and that authority that makes the sound for me. Of course, this only applies to pre-power combinations that match each other in terms of impedance, etc.

Sonny Stitt on a cold winter morning in the hi desert.

Welcome @Oldewizard Bet it does sound good.

It’s not the crossover, because if it was, neither of your woofers would be working. So, it’s either damage to the driver, or your little buddy chewed through some wiring. Use a Torx bit #20 to remove the screws to the back plate. Inspect the network and the wiring. With a good flashlight, you can inspect the wiring through the rear. Same Torx bit for the woofer. Avoid power tools and take your time. Once you get the woofer out, put a meter to it. Funny thread, do some people actually not know there is only one “deang”?

4311. 🙂 My ex wife stole those. 🙄 Replaced years later with 4430.and aKH 😀😀😀 JBL L36 deserve a mention as a nicely balanced speaker

Well good job @Invidiosulus. See what happens @ 3 AM? lol

I've been using the Dayton HTA100 for about 2 years now, with a pair of Heresy 1's. I feed it through the BT on my laptop. There can't be a single complaint at this price. Heresys sound great! I did hook them up to a better amp (SS) and heard the difference, but...come on...it's usually $160 on Black Friday. For that, decent amp with phono input, sub out and bluetooth. Wow! The fit, finish and feel are better than expected too. I want to try the HTA200...that adds a few things, including twice the power and a remote. BTW, no remote has been a non-issue, as the laptop does it. I believe you'd have to spend 10 times the money to appreciate it.

Celine Dion, Live in Las Vegas, A New Day, Blu Ray, this concert DVD is a great surround sound demo -- great video and audio

Hi all. Some time ago I joined your great forum with many questions about how to set up my first surround sound system. I had an Yamaha stereo amp and two Klipsch Forte's (purchased new about 30 yrs ago). I was using your knowledge to figure out how this stuff worked and what speakers were best to go with. After many posts and responses from you I came up with a plan and then due to some forced travel and several delays the implementation was slow but the initial system is operational and exceeds my expectations. One of my primary goals (besides wanting a new larger TV) was to improve the dialogue in TV shows, movies, etc. I am hard of hearing and use hearing aids and it was getting more and more difficult to hear dialogue -- esp the way they mix sound today. So based on a lot of advice from many of you I decided to use my Forte's as LF and RF and I purchased another set of Forte's from craigslist so I could again follow your advice and use a Forte for the Center. (I will probably sell one of the Forte's when I get time, unless I find a way to put two stereo channels into one speaker ) To go with the speakers I purchased a Sony XBR 850B 70" TV and a Sony STR-ZA3000ES amp. So now I finally have an operational system but with only the 3 front speakers at this time. I am blown away by this system, the picture and the sound are excellent, I tried blue ray concerts for the first time and they are spectacular, and again of major importance to me my ability to understand dialogue has improved 100%. I still miss a little now and then but for the most part I can understand it very well. And all of this is without any special settings of the amp -- I just went through the standard setup with the microphone etc. I went from almost no understanding of dialogue to a very acceptable level of understanding. I think maybe by playing with the center speaker level and "small" or "large" settings it may even get better --but it is good enough now that changing these settings is a low priority. We also picked up the ability to stream Amazon Prime free HD movies (via the TV while the sound is sent to the Amp using the audio return channel that is in the HDMI cable that typically sends content from the amp to the TV). One indication of how great this all works is that we have watched more movies in the last couple of weeks than we watched in the last couple of years on our old TV. In summary, thank you all again for your patience and advice, it was spot on. I am going to add some rear surround speakers. I have a large recessed area in the ceiling that goes around the entire listening/viewing area that we use. There is about a 9" vertical wall (the ceiling goes from 9' to 10') that I plan to use to mount the two rear speakers (which will get me to a 5.0 system). I looked at Klipsch offerings that would fit well in this area and came up with the S-10, S-20, KS-14 and RS-41 models. It seems they would all fit and look well in the area I have. Any suggestions on which of these to use with my 3 Forte's (hey guys, I don't have room for more Forte's or I would go that route). At this time I am not thinking of getting a sub-woofer as I seem to get great bass out of the Forte's --- but who knows as the system evolves. So far I love the speakers, the TV, and the amp (and having a Sony TV, Amp, and Blue-Ray has seemed to simplify things a little). Thanks again, Ed

Thanks for the info. I am going to limit my system to 5.1 so I can use the other power amps (6 and 7 outputs) to add another zone or two. Without boring you with diagrams and dimensions, I only have about a 9" vertical wall that surrounds a large inset into the ceiling of my listening area -- placing the speakers on that vertical 9" wall would put them about 7 or 8 feet behind the listening area and over 9' above it. The actual room goes another 20 feet or so and is a dining area with a wall of mostly glass -- no place for speakers and too far I think from where we sit. The only other alternative is ceiling speakers and I don't want to cut big holes in the ceiling. So I looked for Klipsch surround speakers that would fit in this 9" area and the 4 I mentioned are what I found. There are other brands (Polk Audio etc.) that fit but I was trying to stay all Klipsch (not sure why). So it is this form factor I am after more than the cost of the speakers. You guys have me convinced to get a sub-woofer, but the surround speakers will be next. I have read that the location of the sub-woofer is not too important so that should be easier to locate within the room. And, again, I am so pleased with the 3 Forte's up front that if I never added another speaker it would be fine. But it is like an unfinished project so it will become 5.1 soon.

First of all thanks again to all of you as my path into surround sound has been mostly defined by you through posting my threads and reading others. I am still floundering with the speaker selection. I am zeroing in on a newer Sony amp (ZA-3000ES). I have a 70" Sony 4K TV on order. I plan to keep my Forte's as L and R front speakers. I would like some advice (maybe additional advice would be more accurate) on the center channel. I will either use a temporary solution while I find another Forte or Forte II to match the three front speakers perfectly. Another option is to just buy a new RC-62 to use with the two Forte's. After this is decided I will rebuild my cabinetry to suit the speaker decision. I have been told that considering music, and movies, etc. the three Forte's would be a great setup. I have also had some non-forum advice that a newer possibly crisper sound speaker design would be a good center channel to address my desire to improve my ability to understand dialogue better than I do now with just a stereo amp or TV sound system. Most agree that the center channel is probably the most important speaker in the system. So, should I continue my search to find another Forte, or should I use an RC-62 as a center channel -- considering dialogue primarily? Thank You Again, Ed

Well I do not know anything about speaker design however after spending some time of this forum I think I should get a book and learn a little, however, I would think a center channel could by design be optimized for voice frequencies via speaker selection, crossover freq, size etc. and not be compromised by trying to achieve the full 20-20KHz audio spectrum. Therefore if most dialogue goes to this voice optimized speaker it should work better. This is my conclusion after talking to many and I think even the opinion of a few on this forum. But, please note, most of you strongly suggested I add another Forte as my center speaker so I am trying that first. I bought two more Forte's but have not picked them up yet. The 70" TV is installed and I love it. The Sony 3000ES amp is still in the box but will be in soon. I am very anxious to get the speakers and hear the results in my living room with my ears (which unfortunately are not as good as my speakers or my amp, probably due to USAF jet engines many moons ago).

I now own 4 Forte's (not II's). My room is large and not perfectly rectangular. It is 20+ feet wide and about 37' long including a dining area. On one end next to a fireplace there is about a 9' wall at a slight angle towards the center of the room, we sit 10 to 16 feet from this wall for viewing TV/movies. I will have the speakers on this wall, they will not be in a cabinet. I will have the end speakers about 6' apart on centers, with the center between them. They will be approx. 12" from the wall sitting on the floor. I will build two component cabinets approx. 22" wide to sit between the three speakers. I will experiment with setup and testing in an initial 3.0 configuration. I have never had a surround sound system or amp before so I have a lot to learn with setup and trial and error on the types of decisions you are discussing. These are Klipsch Forte's so they will sound good to great especially when I play my old rock and roll tunes-- question is if I will be able to hear dialogue the way they seem to mix them today. If not I will try a small center with two forte's, if that doesn't work I will assume the issue is my hearing and I will read more. This is going to fun and the stuff starts arriving next week. Thanks again for all of your time and guidance. Hopefully I will soon have a single Forte on the market. Ed

Again, thks to all for your time and guidance. Roger, a couple of questions to make sure I understand what you are advising, first I have made the decision to find another Forte to go with two I have and that will make up my R, ctr, and F speakers. You specifically say Forte II, are the Forte's close enough or is the II that much better. I have plain Forte speakers but I can focus my search on adding two Forte II's if it is that important. Otherwise I will get whatever I can find Forte or Forte II. And I do not understand what you mean about how I am "going to get hat Bass out front on your center channel with all Forte fronts" followed by the comment on using 3 Heresy II's etc. etc. Can you please explain this to me, I thought that the 3 Forte's would provide decent bass and adding the subwoofer would be the next step along with the surrounds if and when I wanted to move on from the 3.0 config. I think I am missing something here. Also if I add surrounds (likely) to the 3 Forte front, it will be something smaller than a Heresy II that I can mount in an approx. 1 foot deep soffit area I have around the ceiling of the room. I haven't even started figuring that out yet. The 70" TV/monitor and the Sony ZA-3000ES amp should be here next week and I can start putting things together while I try to complete the Forte procurement. Thanks again for the help.

Thanks all. Good suggestion Youthman, I'll look into that. I have found a set of Forte' II's that are a few hours drive from me (northern Calif) and I hope to be able to get to them by this weekend. I probably can't just get one of them but I can always try to sell one later -- there must be someone else doing what I am trying to do . I have found others on ebay but with this size speaker the shipping is an issue (most refuse to ship at all). Now that I have settled on a goal (3 Forte's) I will find one or two soon hopefully.

When looking around for these used speakers I see there are different Heresy models I, II, III. Would some be better than others for matching my Forte's ? So CECAA850 and Sanchez I am reading your responses as first choice would be another Forte (I or II I assume), a close second would be a Heritage -- very similar to the Forte but a little smaller. Both being preferable to the RC-62. Thanks guy for the time, I have little or no experience to make these calls myself. I have a mongrel bookcase speaker I will likely use as a center until I find a Forte or Heresy. Ed