Moderators dtel Posted March 10, 2012 Moderators Share Posted March 10, 2012 Kind of a drastic step I would think, I guess you don't have the the urge to drink when the walls are moving and occasionally talking back to you ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17297714 A study, presented in the Journal of Psychopharmacology, looked at data from six trials and more than 500 patients. It said there was a "significant beneficial effect" on alcohol abuse, which lasted several months after the drug was taken. An expert said this was "as good as anything we've got". LSD is a class A drug in the UK and is one of the most powerful hallucinogens ever identified. It appears to work by blocking a chemical in the brain, serotonin, which controls functions including perception, behaviour, hunger and mood. Benefit Researchers at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology analysed earlier studies on the drug between 1966 and 1970. Patients were all taking part in alcohol treatment programmes, but some were given a single dose of LSD of between 210 and 800 micrograms. Continue reading the main story Dangers of LSD During a trip the person may put themselves in danger without realising it such as thinking they can fly and trying to jump off a high building. In some people, especially if LSD is taken in high doses, the drug can cause intense anxiety and panic attacks. Some people experience flashbacks, reliving a bad trip weeks or even months after it happened. In those already vulnerable, LSD may be the trigger for psychotic illness. Paranoia and other symptoms typical of schizophrenia may occur. BBC Health: LSD For the group of patients taking LSD, 59% showed reduced levels of alcohol misuse compared with 38% in the other group. This effect was maintained six months after taking the hallucinogen, but it disappeared after a year. Those taking LSD also reported higher levels of abstinence. The report's authors, Teri Krebs and Pal-Orjan Johansen, said: "A single dose of LSD has a significant beneficial effect on alcohol misuse." They suggested that more regular doses might lead to a sustained benefit. "Given the evidence for a beneficial effect of LSD on alcoholism, it is puzzling why this treatment approach has been largely overlooked," they added. Prof David Nutt, who was sacked as the UK government's drugs adviser, has previously called for the laws around illegal drugs to be relaxed to enable more research. He said: "Curing alcohol dependency requires huge changes in the way you see yourself. That's what LSD does. "Overall there is a big effect, show me another treatment with results as good; we've missed a trick here. "This is probably as good as anything we've got [for treating alcoholism]." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 LSD Testing (British Troops) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I don't think that's it and feel it could be the opposite in regard to alcoholics already having the "walls moving and talking back" to them. My guess is what's really nagging a alcoholic comes to the forefront when taking LSD and they experience some sort of vision which gives them clarity. Then, when they are coming down from the intensity of the experience, it hits them that there is something greater than themselves and it changes their life. Timothy Leary wrote quite a bit about his experiences and did experiments on alcoholics with the same results back in the 60s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Leary Btw, I am not advocating one way or the other because LSD is a powerful drug and in the wrong hands could definitely make matters worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I think it's worth a try and I don't even drink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 TKDA, you're onto the rationale of the effectiveness of the trials. Somehow the alcoholic is able to change how he/she sees himself/herself which is essential to sobriety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 TKDA, you're onto the rationale of the effectiveness of the trials. Somehow the alcoholic is able to change how he/she sees himself/herself which is essential to sobriety. Yep. It sounds simple and I know Fish was being tongue-in-cheek but the AA creed is "one day at a time," and that needs to be implemented every day over a period of time to be successful...There are no easy fixes and LSD would definitely be a "last resort," that could be akin to electroshock treatment if unsuccessful...My guess is that AA is the way to go for most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted March 10, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted March 10, 2012 My guess is what's really nagging a alcoholic comes to the forefront when taking LSD and they experience some sort of vision which gives them clarity. Then, when they are coming down from the intensity of the experience, it hits them that there is something greater than themselves and it changes their life. That makes alot of sense, that would match perfectly with what i have read about LSD. There was a show on the discovery channel a while back where it talked about all the test that were done years ago. One thing that kept showing up was a life change, a totally different outlook on many things and in some cases to the point that it helped designers and I think it was an engineer solve a problem he had worked on for years. I have never had a problem with alcohol or any addictive drugs so I really don't understand what the real problems are. And something that could possibly create a drastic change in someones personality would be worth trying. I never really thought about it like you said. I would hope it's done at least the first time in a controlled setting because some people can have a really bad experience which could affect them negatively. It just sounded drastic when I first read it considering how powerful it can be, but that could do the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted March 10, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted March 10, 2012 could be akin to electroshock treatment if unsuccessful That's something else they are retesting, they say it short circuits brain waves and also changes ones outlook but there saying it short term and would have to be done several times a year. I wish they would look more into herbal medicine, acupuncture, chiropractic or anything but the standard medicine which usually just treats the symptoms and never cures the problem. I can say that diet has a lot to do with some problems, about 8 months ago I compleatly changed how and what I eat, feel much better and lost 50 pounds, I take none of the meds I was prescribed before, I don't need them anymore. I feel so much better I work out now. [Y] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 "Curing alcohol dependency requires huge changes in the way you see yourself. That's what LSD does. Alcohol is boring compared to LSD. Some people would not want to go back to Kansas once they've been to Oz. Seriously, though, there may be something to it, especially if it lets you see things from another perspective, and facilitates insight. Also, I agree that governments should not get in the way of promising research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStewMan Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 They didn't list all the dangers of LSD. It can make you wait in long lines at the airport for a ticket from los angeles to detroit, only to get to the ticket counter and find out it is an air china ticket counter (or make you think that spending five hours in an airplane while you're tripping is even a good idea). Oh yeah, I was also at Grant's Park in Chicago the night Lake Michigan dried up. Or the time, my friends thought i got sucked into the chimeny; and then there was the time...oh well, you get the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 oh well, you get the point.Nothing strange about much of that. The ticket counter thing... that happens anyway, doesn't it? [:|] Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburnwilly Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 My dad dropped acid in an army experiment back in 1951 with 149 other just commissioned second lieutenants . He doesn't remember much about it other than the color purple stands out for some reason . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStewMan Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 He doesn't remember much about it other than the color purple stands out for some reason .back in the 70s, there was a such thing as purple barrel acid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted March 11, 2012 Author Moderators Share Posted March 11, 2012 They didn't list all the dangers of LSD. It can make you wait in long lines at the airport for a ticket from los angeles to detroit, only to get to the ticket counter and find out it is an air china ticket counter (or make you think that spending five hours in an airplane while you're tripping is even a good idea). Oh yeah, I was also at Grant's Park in Chicago the night Lake Michigan dried up. Or the time, my friends thought i got sucked into the chimeny; and then there was the time...oh well, you get the point. Well I guess you didn't have a drinking problem, But I don't think it works as preventive medicine. [:|] Just think if you tried it and had a realization that you wanted to drink alot more [:S] would you have to take it again ? [*-)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Not sure how to create a link: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 You can also cure a headache by removing the head from the body. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 You can also cure a headache by removing the head from the body. JJK I believe in contemporary jargon seeing something like that under LSD is called "a bad trip." Then again, it may be what an alcoholic would need to see to understand that their lifestyle is giving everyone around them a "headache" with the above seemingly being the only option. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I think that LSD is just too dangerous to safely use as a treatment for much of anything due to the unpredictability of what may happen..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Once it is lab grade, the unpredictability diminishes some. How much? [*-)] They put too many strange things in the street acid... like strychnine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 So do you have this in micro dot or blotter? Blotter is easier to mail. Best regards Moray James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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