muel Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The conversation should be about how to adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, DizRotus said: Science is not based upon a referendum. The fact that nearly 100% of the Earth's population, at one time, believed the Earth to be the center of the universe did not make it so. This is why I say science requires more faith than religion. Remember when Pluto was a planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, jimjimbo said: Well, that has a familiar ring to it.... Truth does have a familiar ring. Glad you agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, wvu80 said: Truth does have a familiar ring. Glad you agree. No, just familiar bullshit from the brainwashed denier herd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, wvu80 said: Remember when Pluto was a planet? While its classification may drift back and forth, the fact is, the thing still exists as it always has. Should we deny, obfuscate, and otherwise distract for the benefit of one interest over another against our long term interests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 evidently, yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 26 minutes ago, oldtimer said: While its classification may drift back and forth, the fact is, the thing still exists as it always has. Should we deny, obfuscate, and otherwise distract for the benefit of one interest over another against our long term interests? Good definition of "politics." Goes into the category of "sad but true." +++ I passed many Science Class tests over the years by answering that there were NINE planets, now we find out there were only eight all along. When I found out I felt honor bound to drop my IQ by a whole point. It comes up at parties more often than one would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I believe those same pseudo religious scientists in the 1500's said the world was flat. JJK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 minute ago, JJkizak said: I believe those same pseudo religious scientists in the 1500's said the world was flat. JJK It is flat.....for 13 miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I find it fascinating that this discussion seems to be having no effect on "true believers" on either side. LOTS of good science presented here but no takers. Whole thing seems to be more religion or politics on both sides rather than the rational thinking that would be most helpful. This discussion is permitted because it is NOT politics or religion. Maybe more should approach it as science. By that, not what "scientists say" as filtered through other sources but that which one learned in high school, that which is observable (I commented to my family over 20 years ago it was clear the climate in Texarkana was warming), and the easily available climate records for both recorded as well as geologic history. That the climate is warming is unquestionable. The degree of human impact is definitely open to question. Evidence to date suggests that human impact is reasonable to assume, but nothing so dramatic as to suggest that it is the biggest contributor or if it would change substantially if we all disappeared tomorrow. Thinking for one's self can be fruitful. Dave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I've only read the last couple of pages here, and I know a lot of evidence has been presented. If I'm repeating something that's already been said, I'm sorry. Haven't we had 3 or 4 years in a row of recording breaking warm averages? I've only been around for 54 years ( less than a blink of an eye) but it seems like the last 10 years we've had some pretty bizarre weather. Even where I live, we saw 64 degrees Tuesday, 20 today, and back to 60 Saturday, that's 84 degrees of air temp change in 5 days. I do believe in global warming, and I think it's the cause of all this odd weather. It seems like every year we see record drought, and record rain within the same time zone. We treat this planet like a huge filter. Maybe we need a filter cleaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Actually we treat the planet like dog crap. JJK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Bum Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2017/02/06/science-always-has-been-and-always-will-be-political/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Ceptorman said: Haven't we had 3 or 4 years in a row of recording breaking warm averages? Yes...but the records broke are those in the utterly scientifically meaningless time in which records have been kept. When you reach out to recorded history (also just a blip on REAL time scales) and geologic time these "records" are completely meaningless. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I won't be around.... but i can't wait until the next ice age when all the people on the earth who are doing whatever it is that they do have to live on the remaining land mass that is not covered with ice. Imagine everybody living in Argentina, South Africa and Australia, that's it. Now there's a party. Talk about illegal immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenhayward/2015/06/09/why-the-left-needs-climate-change/#45fff2ea602a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 36 minutes ago, babadono said: I won't be around.... but i can't wait until the next ice age when all the people on the earth who are doing whatever it is that they do have to live on the remaining land mass that is not covered with ice. As with all things geologic, it WILL happen. Cyclical climate change is as ancient as the earth itself. By the time it does, if humans still exist, it won't matter as whatever we are we'll be well beyond needing to worry over such things. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 hours ago, jjptkd said: http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenhayward/2015/06/09/why-the-left-needs-climate-change/#45fff2ea602a Ah, opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Rarely follow such links as they lead to the media. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 18 hours ago, JJkizak said: Actually we treat the planet like dog crap. JJK Interesting... my first thought was, well, if that is true then we would be picking it up all the time. Then I thought, no, I'd be letting it use the neighbors yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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