oldtimer Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Or do they just live in a location where there is abundant fresh seafood and it is part of the local culture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 46 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: Should people be permitted to publicly hang themselves? No. Then it involves others. Nor on public property. Give them a ride to their back yard or wherever. I might also add that I'd be in favor of intervention...but only to establish the person is sane. Granted, laws could be passed to declare committing suicide to be insane...but I don't think real psychiatrists would support that and civil libertarians would fight it. And, such examinations should be speedy. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 52 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: Not that you could necessarily stop them, but I find it difficult to know where my rights over my body begin to infringe on others' rights to... whatever. Won't go into the details here, but if you think on it for as many years as I have it gets pretty clear...not a gray line at all. Didn't take me any time whatsoever to know my response to your previous question. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Mallette said: 2 hours ago, Jeff Matthews said: Should people be permitted to publicly hang themselves? No. Then it involves others. Nor on public property. Give them a ride to their back yard or wherever. I might also add that I'd be in favor of intervention...but only to establish the person is sane. Granted, laws could be passed to declare committing suicide to be insane...but I don't think real psychiatrists would support that and civil libertarians would fight it. And, such examinations should be speedy. Dave OK. How about videotaping it and putting it on the net? Does that involve others in the same way? Or does that kind of involvement not equal "involving" others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 53 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: OK. How about videotaping it and putting it on the net? Does that involve others in the same way? Or does that kind of involvement not equal "involving" others? Sounds like a pretty good trick for a dead person. Maybe I'm not following you. Certainly makes prosecuting them rather problematic. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 On 2/4/2017 at 11:35 AM, Mallette said: And I stand against all laws that do not respect the sovereignty of the individual over their own body. Laws should proceed from this self-evident concept. Restrictions on actions should deal only with those items we agree infringe on the freedom of others. Riding a motorcycle, requesting euthanasia, smoking pot or tobacco in your own home, and the like involve potential danger to oneself but no one else. One may be spiritually or simply biased against those things but I don't see it as my right to rule over others when it comes to their own bodies. Dave IK Dave I'm conflicted here. If we're having a conversation on a Tuesday night after eating copious amounts of tacos and I have to fart, do I hold it in to refrain from infringing on your olfactory senses or to I release the sphincter and respect the sovereign right I have over my body and comfort? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 You're confusing the right to fart with the etiquette of farting in the midst of others. You have to fart to avoid spontaneous combustion (see south park), but you don't have to do it before leaving the vicinity of others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, CECAA850 said: IK Dave I'm conflicted here. If we're having a conversation on a Tuesday night after eating copious amounts of tacos and I have to fart, do I hold it in to refrain from infringing on your olfactory senses or to I release the sphincter and respect the sovereign right I have over my body and comfort? Lord knows why you are conflicted and picking on minutue. I am not writing a Constitutional amendment to protect the sovereignty of the individual or statues to support same. Way out of my league. But application is NOT rocket science. Your suggestion is, while far less consequential, related to the right to juggle sharp knives in a crowd. It doesn't exist. I was put on the road to my opinion on this many decades ago by a teacher who explained these rights by the story of the guy protesting, after having been flattened by a neighbor whose nose he'd slugged, "But I have the RIGHT to do that..." The response was "Your rights end where my nose begins." Elementary, but good point that extends to farting in a crowd. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, Mallette said: Lord knows why you are conflicted and picking on minutue. Thank goodness Brian got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Is farting in a crowd the olfactory equivilant of yelling fire in a crowded theatre? Not sure what this has to do with the topic at hand but this wont be the first or last time it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, richieb said: Is farting in a crowd the olfactory equivilant of yelling fire in a crowded theatre? Related, but one is an offense, the other a felony. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, richieb said: Is farting in a crowd the olfactory equivilant of yelling fire in a crowded theatre? It's better just to crop dust and say nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStewMan Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 if you’d all just get high, everything will make sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 13 minutes ago, BigStewMan said: if you’d all just get high, everything will make sense. It does to me....what's everybody else's problem? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORE KLIPSCH PLEASE Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 9 hours ago, CECAA850 said: It's better just to crop dust and say nothing. You just need to pull my finger MKP :-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 What are we talking about, I forgot... and I'm hungry...and forgot how to breathe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 2 hours ago, BigStewMan said: if you’d all just get high, everything will make sense. DUUUUuuuuhhh...(drool) Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Sovereign rights: We know them when we see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 14, 2017 Moderators Share Posted February 14, 2017 http://www.businessinsider.com/mens-wearhouse-george-zimmer-marijuana-activist-2017-2?r=UK&IR=T Men's Wearhouse founder reveals how smoking marijuana for 50 years changed his life 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStewMan Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, dtel said: http://www.businessinsider.com/mens-wearhouse-george-zimmer-marijuana-activist-2017-2?r=UK&IR=T Men's Wearhouse founder reveals how smoking marijuana for 50 years changed his life i use to smoke an ounce a day. Since i lost one of my lungs, i’ve cut my smoking in half. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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