johnq Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Hello, I have a living room setup with 4 Rf-800 , 2 Rf 820 , 2 buysurround klipsch( next to be upgraded) , 1 RP 504- C and 2 RP -1200sw. I am driving all but the Subs with an onkyo TX-NR 787. The system sounds great at full volume can't even get a whisper of distortion. Which leads me to feel I need more power for all of this. Can anyone suggest or share what kind and brand of extra amplification are best suited. Thank you kindly1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, johnq said: The system sounds great at full volume can't even get a whisper of distortion. Which leads me to feel I need more power for all of this. ??? Why would no whisper of distortion lead you to think you need more power? Unless you mistyped something, sounds like you should be in nirvana with this. Are you looking for more volume? (careful with that hearing!!!!) or, are you looking for a "bigger" sound? Bigger speakers might give you access to both ends. Not being familiar with most of your equipment..... I've always been speakers first, then electronics. So listen to various speakers you might want to consider..... figure that out and then figure out what it takes to drive them properly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter P. Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 At "full volume" virtually all amps will clip, shut down, or fail. I would expect you couldn't stay in the same room at "full volume". If it's loud enough for your listening pleasure, you don't need more power. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Does your AVR have pre-outs for external amps? If so, add the extra power, headroom is a wonderful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 7 hours ago, johnq said: Hello, I have a living room setup... The system sounds great at full volume can't even get a whisper of distortion. Thank you kindly1 Proper hearing, the golden ear, is a learned skill set... good luck with your hearing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Your post makes zero sense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 9 hours ago, johnq said: The system sounds great at full volume can't even get a whisper of distortion. Which leads me to feel I need more power for all of this. Can anyone suggest or share what kind and brand of extra amplification are best suited. None, if it's clean at Reference Level, then it's the endzone. You don't want distortion - that's kind of the whole point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 9 hours ago, johnq said: Hello, I have a living room setup with 4 Rf-800 , 2 Rf 820 , 2 buysurround klipsch( next to be upgraded) , 1 RP 504- C and 2 RP -1200sw. I am driving all but the Subs with an onkyo TX-NR 787. your 9 channel amplifier is only 100 wpc , I would seek at minimum a 200 wpc , 9 channel amp , the 2x more powerful amp will add 3dB but most important , it will give you headroom for lower distortion levels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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derrickdj1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I see guys with Mc 1.2 Kw amp driving systems using only a few watts. No distortions no need for more power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, derrickdj1 said: I see guys with Mc 1.2 Kw amp driving systems using only a few watts. No distortions no need for more power. Yep. This about sums it. Good post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 is OP @johnq saying he has his current receiver turned all the way up and he would like to be able to turn it up more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82 Cornwalls Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 8 hours ago, babadono said: is OP @johnq saying he has his current receiver turned all the way up and he would like to be able to turn it up more? What? I can't hear you. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 On 12/20/2023 at 12:40 AM, babadono said: is OP @johnq saying he has his current receiver turned all the way up and he would like to be able to turn it up more? He could perhaps take his trusty magic marker and put...... a 12 on the dial! Just skip right past 11 and go for it!! Do a 12. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 That receiver is probably putting out 40 watts, or so, per channel with all channels driven, so you might well use more power, though I doubt you NEED it. Look at 5-channel power amps from Acurus, Parasound, Integra, Emotiva, Marantz, even Rotel. Stay under 150 watts/channel, because your speakers can't handle more and these brands will be under-rated. Also, remember, double the power and get 3 dB more per speaker. Three dB is a just detectable difference under loud conditions. Meaning, even 150 w/ch will not add a shattering increase in loudness (not quite 6 dB). But that increase may require more subwoofers in order to maintain balance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Snookery??? Back in the LATE 70's or very early 80's I had my LaScala\s downstairs. Long story short, I discovered I could put a Jethro Tull LP on.... and I could literally turn the dial to 100% volume. Put a different LP on and the volume would pound you and push you out of the room. I deduced that the Tull LP was essentially not as loud as the other LP's, lower signal level if you will. So, if I wanted to try to impress someone, I could put that Tull LP on, crank it to 100%, point at the dial and my pals would go wide eyed ga-ga with the volume maxed. I felt a little dirty doing that as I knew that was the only LP that I had that would allow me to do that but it was still fun seeing the facial expressions I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (not sure but don't think I've ever fessed up to this before to anyone.....you guys (and gals?) are my first) I suddenly feel refreshed and not as dirty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 Coytee, you should have put on that Tull LP, then followed it with Boston, at the same volume setting. That would have been a laugh. BTW, did the Jethro Tull LP have more dynamic range than other records? Less compression, so to speak? And which Tull record was it? Stand Up? Or Aqualung? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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