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Sunday I was just running the scalas next to each other, ran my Spl/Db test all day into the night, they sounded great, but am I willing to tear into the ones I already set up for the cave? hummm. Fired the set up again this morning really playing every genre I could find, cranked, I knew there was no way im going back to one pair of scalas. Well, time to make them mobile, and done. This winter I plan on the bracing in the LF, then refinish w/bedliner industrial coating. good shop/cave speakers.

mad man , did ya get the belles as wells Oh yes we got the Bells, after getting home and unloading the truck, the Bells were the first ones I fired up in the cave, wife heard them and said sell-em. She is quite happy with her Khorns. I did not think she would like the belles better than K-Horns, I personally dont know anyone who has preferred belle over K-Horn, Belles certainly have more WAF in appearance you will make someone happy with them Up to the time of picking up those Belles, iv never even seen a set before, much less heard them, I knew nothing of them, just they are one of the more preferred of the Heritage line, all I saw was a chance to do it, and then sell whatever we don't want. a little hassel doing all of this but I figure I only need to do it once. One of the really cool things about it is the wife is very aware, this, "IS IT" as far as the Heritage klipsch goes, I left her to pick and live with her choice.

CD's are sold

Another vote for the Khorns. bluesboy built me two different clone LS pairs. One like original LS and the other a highly modded pair. Neither come close to his khorn based and modded speakers. I talked to him on Sunday and remarked that we should have built Khorns and really couldn't remember why we didn't. I think it came down to not having good corners in the room. Anyway.......trust your wife's ears Mark and congrats on your new toys Cheers Gents

mad man , did ya get the belles as wells Oh yes we got the Bells, after getting home and unloading the truck, the Bells were the first ones I fired up in the cave, wife heard them and said sell-em. She is quite happy with her Khorns. I did not think she would like the belles better than K-Horns, I personally dont know anyone who has preferred belle over K-Horn, Belles certainly have more WAF in appearance you will make someone happy with them

Morning gang, first cup of Joe, zero Duggans, dam so that's what coffee tastes like ! Appears a store run is in order today. Looks as though the Belles on the Bay are quite popular, 220 views, 13 watchers. This Memorial Day will go down as being closer on the on-going speaker upgrade for both of us, Finely after two years of trying to get her living room sound just where she wants it, and this only after doing something iv never heard of anyone doing trying to please the wife, buy every dam top Klipsch, and let her pick, every speaker in the same room at the same time, Khorns won by a landslide. Khorns were rewired w/Crites last week, wheeled in the scalas, and the bells, took less than a min to jump wires from one set to the other, then back and fourth a few times, granted the Scalas/Belles have old xcrossovers. Tired, back hurts,1004 miles and a couple grand,, finely got a handle on the two channel(s).

Morning gents. First cup back off of a long weekend, a rough one at that. Well back to the daily grind, hope everyone enjoys their day.

mad man , did ya get the belles as wells Oh yes we got the Bells, after getting home and unloading the truck, the Bells were the first ones I fired up in the cave, wife heard them and said sell-em. She is quite happy with her Khorns.

mad man , did ya get the belles as wells

Smart lady, going for sound over beauty. Not that Khorns are ugly but bells are just perty. Looking at that pic the LaScala looks much bigger than the bells, I never really compared the sizes. That looks like some good looking belle's, what flavor are they ? Glad you two had a safe trip, hope it was fun also.

Cabinets look as close to perfect as iv ever seen in a 30 year+ Klipsch, iv had them since last sat and looked them over as best as possible. The crossovers are original, one of them looks to have a cap replaced, I never care about crossovers when buying used speakers because the first thing they get is a total rewire and Crites. These did not suit the wifes ears, so out they go. and yes for a forum member Reno, no problem after the 1st, anytime, weekends are good. These do work just fine, as I wired them up in my cave. Let me know if your serious because iv got an Ebay offer every two hours so far.

baffling? I'm not sure what you mean. You do realize, the dictionary definition of baffling is "to confuse, bewilder, or perplex." +++ I think of the baffle as the outside front of a speaker where the drivers poke through. I'm guessing you might be referring to some sound deadening material, such as fiber-fill, or some foam sheets.

I agree with the bracing method, did it on my LS's and heard the difference. If your set on wrapping, use the plywood, the solid stock will be a nightmare keeping it flat and you're right the solid stock will move at a greater rate than the ply. I still have my patterns for the bracing and would be happy to make paper copies and mail them to you. Tom

Many of you, I am certain, will have a great appreciation regarding this commencement address. Sometimes these exercises are worth it.....

No longer available Thanks all 5. I have 35 Cd's SOLD I do not use paypal, but happily accept checks or money orders. Postal money orders ship immediately all others must clear unless I know you or we have dealt before I have to dig some of this out and will add pics later Thanks Joe

I see $200...thats a very good price...now i have a headache...wish i had more cash...i may next month here shortly...nice kg's!!

what color are the 3.5's? they look black..

good to know! thank for the heads up!

The obvious question is "why tubes?" What are you trying to achieve on the switch? Over the years, I've heard so many things(warmth, plays well with horns etc..) about tubes and like the Beekster said, I just want to experience them in my home. Thanks for all of the advice guys, I appreciate it. RIGGED

Im not a DAC genius like a lot of the guys here, but here was my finding with my Mini. The sound signature of a ripped lossless "CD" coming from your Mini will sound different than what a basic CD transport will offer. You may have a high quality DAC to overcome this, but I would compare a ripped full content basic CD to the actual CD playing on a decent player before I started all those LONG big rips. I was going to do all lossless rips, but it was pointless with most of the heavily compressed material being released these days, IMO. After buying a few DVDA's, Blu-Ray Audio's and SACD's, I quit worrying about RedBook offerings as the majority pale in comparison to true lossless and uncompressed LPCM content. I just rip at 256K and if I want to really "hear" it, I pop the hard copy in. I also have a few two channel FLAC files on my Mini, yet they still don't sound as good as what the hard copy produces on my U player. I would also use the digital audio output of the Mini or its HDMI output before I used the USB port.

Ask and ye shall receive. You can't get much better than this for CD ripping: http://www.dbpoweramp.com/ USB vs. Coax vs. Optical is a long standing debate. If you've got the means to try out each method, I suggest doing so and let your ears decide. On older Macs, such as my 2009 MacBook Pro, the optical is limited to 24/96. I believe this is the case on newer Macs as well, but can't quite remember. I use JRiver Media Center for music playback and so I just down-sample anything greater than 24/96 and can't hear any degradation in sound.

Cd's are sold

If you decide to try to sell them locally, I would emphasize that they are a great rock speaker. It's true and young rockers are probably your target audience. Very efficeint and can really crank out the tunes. GLWTS.

Sorry to hear Joe! Good man to deal with!

Joe, I'm sorry to hear you are going through a difficult time and have to sell some of your gear. Praying for your situation now.

I love a good project. Keep updating the pictures!

"Volume" is a construct from the very, very early days of audio that actually refered to the listening room volume in cubic feet. A bigger room required a higher setting of the newly named "volume" control. "Loudness," and "Sound Pressure Level" (SPL) and acoustical and electrical watts are different, but somewhat correlated animals. "Loudness" is a perceptual/psychological thing. Google "equal loudness curves" and Fletcher and Munson. To increase the SPL by 3 dB, you would need to double the wattage, but it won't sound anything at all like twice as loud. Instead, with complex signals -- like music -- it will sound like three just noticeable differences louder. Not all listeners will agree that it sounds three JNDs louder, but that is pretty much the average estimate. Most experiments have indicated that for something to sound twice as loud it will need to be about 10 dB higher in SPL. By coincidence, this works out to be about 10 times the wattage (as mentioned earlier, each 3 dB increase requires about 2 times the wattage). In selecting amplifier power in watts with speakers as efficient as most Klipsch, IMO, the question is not how "loud" you want to play it as much as do you want to hear distortion when it is that loud. If the OP listens at 100 dB levels with Cornwalls, he is a little less likely to hear distortion with a 60 watt amp than with a 35 watt amp, even though the difference between 35 watts and 60 watts is less than 3 dB.

The first time I heard Yours Is No Disgrace, in 1971, I became a Yes fan. I saw them at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1972 or 1973, along with more than 20,000 people. The next time was in 1998 or so at Massey Hall, also in Toronto. It seats about 2700, so it was much more intimate than the hockey arena. One of the songs called for Steve Howe to play two guitars, so he had one slung on a normal guitar strap, with a second one on a tall stand at playing height and angle. Because of the lighting, it wasn't obvious at first, until he finished the part of the song with the guitar on the stand, then stepped back and started playing the one strapped on him. It was pretty cool.

The actual response I wrote out is at work, but I'll go ahead a paraphrase while I wind down from today's celebrations / memorials... It actually took me a while to remember which gathering was being referred to all those years ago, but what I do remember is trying to be nice about the volume/xover issue. I think the Klipsch following falls into two camps: those that like very loud music (to the point of feeling the snare drum in your eyes), and those that like low distortion and exploring the more minor nuances in music. In many ways they are similar goals - but at the end of the day the SPL levels are very different. The volume in that hotel was painfully loud - and certainly enough to have caused me permanent hearing loss (thanks for that btw). I absolutely hate volume creep. I also hate the lascala as a stand-alone speaker. Combine the two with an overdriven speaker, and there was a room being filled with absolutely garbage sound. I could achieve the same hash with direct radiators at a much more palpable 100dB SPL. A minor touch of EQ doesn't register as a big change in my world when there's that much garbage happening. In other words, it sounded like garbage before and after - therefore it was fundamentally the same in my book. Go back and read my original post and you'll find these sentiments ringing throughout - it was simply an uncontrolled experiment wrought with inexperience. Do we really want to make such scenarios foundational to our viewpoints? The group of people I was standing with in that back of that room included guys like Blanchard - who I have a huge respect for both their musical acumen and engineering talent. Mark made an interesting point later that evening about how the electrical impedance of a network is only significant over a narrow range of frequencies - and that narrow range is really the only range where parasitic behaviors tend to manifest themselves. I was trying to share some of the things I learned from those conversations - and today looking back, I'm reminded at the huge insights Blanchard was freely sharing with me (a young punk college kid at the time). Today I totally see it in a new light, but would still stand behind those broad concepts. The idea of impedance - when you really understand it - is such a beautiful way of describing electrical behavior (especially parasitics).....it really takes years to truly appreciate what is being described here. It's not just ohm's law, or pumping numbers into a calculator. One other thing that still bugs me about the xover modding crowd is the lack of data - even all these years later, the "mountains of data" alluded to amount to nothing more than an on-axis frequency response - at best. I tried to tally it up and I think I've designed a few hundred xovers to date - and taken "mountains" of my own data. Some xovers have been implemented better than others, but over that time I've done a lot of research and found a lot of people discussing their experiences too. We get into conversations or read articles about things like polar steering, power response and balancing on-axis versus off-axis response, the blending of polars and distortion, signal-alignment.....all the way down to the small things like the quality of different kinds of inductor magnetics and capacitor dielectrics, or the effects of damping on a non-linear impedance response and so forth. It often overlaps into speaker design - whereby the realities of xover design impose certain requirements on the speaker - even at the expense of other acoustical properties. I greatly enjoy exploring these tangible areas, but also can't help pointing out the relative audibility thresholds. For example, the difference between polypropylene and polyester is very small compared to things like time-alignment, or the horn throat distortion causing the honk in the old heritage. If you're hearing me correctly, I very much believe xovers have an audible component to them. I have just never heard you discuss any of these topics that other circles and myself claim to have much larger significance. Why do I bring it up? Because I'd love to see you and others implement some of these tricks...it's not like I'm in any competition here. Btw, the reason you get push back from the speaker designers at Klipsch is because they realize what they could do with another $200 in budget on their end. It's not like they're unaware of and haven't tried the different kinds of capacitors, inductors, autoformers, transformers, resistors out there....and it's not like they don't enjoy music either. Just look at a product like the Reference series where the improvements in performance were achieved via acoustic means - and the same basic xover approach was adopted across the lineup. You could throw $10k into the RF-3 xover and not achieve the performance of the RF-5 with its stock xover....let alone a speaker from the Palladium line. One of the problems with trying to make philosophical generalities is that there are always exceptions to the rule - and in the case of this thread, the original speaker being discussed was an RF-3. I very much had that in mind when writing my original response - different price points need to be abstracted differently. In light of this very old thread, I think my untenable position can be summarized with the question, "when do crossovers matter?" - and I might extend that to include identifying one's goals in listening.

when did you folks get so dignified? Cutlery. I'm from Oakland … we call them knives, and my favorite is a switchblade.

After a movie premiere, the after-party had mexican food catered. i was talking with one of the actresses and i experienced my worst cut ever. it didn't hurt so much; but, the smell was something for another thread.

I can smell those flowers from here. On the photography front I took many pictures at our schools 6 and 7 year old baseball championship. I thought this little guys photo turned out nice.

Yes. Absolutely! Very, very good deal as well. Cheers Mark....

I've been thinking about grills... Stay with me for a moment... Take a base LaScala. Take some (approx.) 2'x3' panels of 3/4" nice plywood. Make the panel about 3/4" deeper than it needs to be so you now have a larger 3/4" lip all the way around the front. You now have a natural spot to flush mount a grill. The speaker side of the grill would rest along the current face of the mouth and the 3/4" border created by the new piece of plywood would serve to hold it (along with some Velcro or hidden magnets) I'm thinking full frontal grill. (whether or not the braces are mounted)

Man those look awesome, glws. Nice Ebay rating.

Look at the user name, it appears he is one of our locals.

I thought I would start a Memorial day tribute thread to give recognition and thanks thanks Pops and godspeed.

Very nice Mark....and your wife has a good ear! Sounds like a productive road trip!

You do realize that the sub has its own volume control? I have a friend with this same rig and there's no problems given its price range. And tuck that sub near a corner about 6 inches off the wall. Let it breathe.

Geez it's hard to believe I've been coming here on and off (mostly on) since 2001. Built khorns,Jubilees and a few other little projects with help of the combined brain trust of this fantastic web site. Hope all is well with everyone. Let's keep the info flowing for the younger audiophiles. All is well Big D

Just lay a piece of construction paper along the bottom & side of the horn mouth & trace the pattern onto the sheet.

Just payed 350 this week for a nice set. Drivers were pristine. Cabinets about an 8 of 10. Felt like a good deal to me.

God Bless our Troops, past present and future! Thanks Boxx. Dennie

I agree although without actually seeing and hearing them its a tough job to price them...anywhere between $200-500 at this point in time i would aim for $300 maybe $325-375

I didn't know either, so I Google'd it. The search had this (Earl's) thread at the top of the results.

A tube that gets hot and the pins loosen Just enough for the tube to eject itself and it then runs off SHEESE I thought everyone knew this one

---------------- On 6/29/2005 9:01:32 AM silversport wrote: DeanG, Not pistols at dawn??? Bill ---------------- Looks like they could have setteled it in the Klipsch parking lot over the weekend. Bob