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So the cabin of my Outback is pretty darn roomy. However, HOLY SMOKES!!! These subs are MASSIVE!!! Only a few millimeters to spare ...SO EXCITED, sub #2 to arrive tomorrow YAY!!!

Morning yet again Gang Slow start to the day, my once a month FB check-in, and crankin some tunes. Third cup and going for more. My Bud "Roadie Rick" sent me a new pedal video, you amped pickers should check this out.

We are going from 35 today to 65 tomorrow, which is plenty quick enough for us here in the mid west.

Morning Gang Spring is not coming soon enough for those of you east of the Mississippi. Dickinsons Blend is tasting mighty fine this morning. 70+ predicted and ongoing, For some strange reason Skeeters are in Check at this time. Marine project coming along, going from long sleeves work wear to T-shirts today

Good morning friends.............. Chuck, I caught that like in that 'other' forum... I know you wanted to discuss the music business at some point and we will ... Time to get ready for work, and coffee awaits there... ..........Gary

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Guess you will have to venture over to fine food and music to see the out come. O------K I just get so imitated by Tigerman, he always does such a nice job............with our group.....we cook and get out the way so no one get's stampeded.

Guess you will have to venture over to fine food and music to see the out come.

Sounds like a Dolphin is the way to go sure enough! * In other news your new USB 3 flash drive might not work in a old xp machine with USB 1.1, as I just tired that.

You call that a snowstorm? Manup!

I understand knowledge & experience = $$$. $100 evaluation fee seems incredibly high to me. I bet they don't get too many people that say "no thanks" to the repair seeing how much they have in it out of the gate. The shop I took it to charges $30 bench fee and is credited towards the balance if you choose to have the repairs done.

About the same, ~5 watts, and almost entirely in the sub channel. ~100mV across the L,C, & R at wide-open throttle. The discussion between amps and "How much?" often falls short because what's really at play is often times not power delivery, but rather the transient behavior of each device. Almost no data, from any manufacturer, is ever provided in that regard. Even fewer people have the tools, knowledge, and time to investigate that, in particular case by case. There's a lot more to it than just raw, calculated power numbers.

Don't confuse me, is it burgers or chilly I ask because that's how my chili starts out, I smoke them then cut them up. I did once see a recipe for chili with coffee in it You got me thinking.........For burgers I like to add a couple of eggs and some good Italian breadcrumbs and other seasoning, but my favorite is 40-50% hot sausage mixed in.......now I'm thinking about food...

Great, you turn over the shotgun to me (loaded) and I, in turn, "ask" you if you want to be paid. Sounds fair.

Bigamy

So after spending a few days having some good listening sessions, I've come to the conclusion the La Scalas are my favorite speaker I've ever owned for music, and I'm sure will be right up there if not better for movies than my 7 II's.

Wire that beast up to you car's stereo for the way home trip

What do This. What do you have for the front three? Doesn't surround channels have a lot less audio than the fronts? I would want Khorns in front.

Just finished digged out the dog.

Same here. Almost whole state shut down. Its a nice day off.

Earl's sleeping like a baby.....dreaming about W. Virginia. "This river don't go to Aintry. You done took a wrong turn".

Ouch

Someone must have forgot to let the dog in last night.

It's not global warming, it is global climate change. And you are seeing a good example of the change.

We had cold in the tens, then a thaw to 40, then the next day heavy rain all day rain, which turned to heavy snow last night. I can drive in snow, I've been doing it all my life and I'm very comfortable with it. What I can't do (nobody can) is drive in ice, especially when it transitions from rain to ice, which in West Virginia we call "black ice." Our average temp this time of year is 50 degrees. It is supposed to be -3 tonight. I'll be glad when global warming gets here. Here is the view where I am working on my CF-4's, looking out the window into my back yard.

You're not. You're paying for them to find out which $5.00 part needs to be replaced.

Morning Gents First day in the new school for the boys, sure hope everything goes well, listening to a tune of dueling dogs all damn night, Off to school check back later

$200 just seems a lot better, but that's prolly just me. But I think you are wise not to have them remove the replaced parts, put in the bad ones(?) so that someone else can do it again. Why? Because you run the risk of lifting the foil on the circuit board with all this rework. Then wires have to be added to fix it and it can get real ugly from there.

Four hours labor and new caps, not necessarily a bad deal for $200. Ninety day is a good amount of time to see if it is working. A working amp is easier to sell If you decide not to keep it.

1, it's his thread, it can go in any direction he wants. 2, every motorcycle post is an automatic bump.

He stated several times that he didn't want to have his tech remove the parts that had been added so he didn't have any intention of leaving the parts in there unless I paid for the labor. His tech had 4 hrs labor (not really my problem). It's all good. I'll just make sure I have something in writing about the 90 day warranty on all 7 channels, not just the ones he worked on.

Thanks Duder, you did well

Don't rule out 2.1 with LaScalas. The best I have listened to is LS with a quality subwoofer. If I were you I would make sure I had subwoofer output. JMO

In the process of cooking dinner, as it is chilly I thought coffee is in order.

I agree to a point. I'd fire up the patio stereo and blast tunes while I cleaned. It's no fun when it's nasty and cold out however. It also takes me away from other projects. I will say however that I'm one of the last hold outs on the block that does his own lawn. Almost everyone else has a service. I still enjoy pushing a (non self propelled) mower around the yard although I have no idea why I like the process. The mower is quieter than the kids!

hey man i just like helping people save money! feels good to suggest someone other than acoustic sound design also. now we just need to meet at some point.

I just picked up the unit. I asked them to put the 90 days warranty on all channels it in writing and they added "Cover Entire Unit For 90 Days". Good enough for me.

I thought it might have been south of Indy, as it was an unusual pattern, stretching from Texas to Washington, DC. Here is the tree limb that snapped last night.

Run Linux server and two other machines at home. However, useless for productivity. Useful for web, audio, and such. Dave

The $100 "evaluation" fee goes towards the repair, if the repair goes over another $150, $250 total, they call me. Oh, I forgot to mention the 3 week waiting list. Just couldn't throw out a $1,700 amp.

new scale

Actually, I have been looking at the Parasound products, and noticed their 2 channel THX Ultra rated amps used go for $250. The THX rating means something. I think the amps are around 200-250 W each channel. Their web site has all the info on the disc units incl dates of mfg. Worth a read. https://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/99032-thx-scam.html Way overkill for his LaScalas, plus he will be operating the amp at a higher distortion area of the amps design. I would just get a good 25 wpc stereo amp or receiver... That is why I suggested the Yamaja class A amps that were built into their Receivers, and integrated amps. He would then be operating in their designed low distortion area. Depending on the amps are designed, the first 20-30 watts may be class A, so the rest if fluff. Just curious, are new Receivers even using Class A/B anymore... Or have they all switched to class D amps? The logic behind Class A is simple, but hot. AB is simple, but the first units had transition problems, I think measured as slew rate and TIM. A at low Watt then AB seems state of the art. Class D with quantization error, seems like a "Green Amp" solution, or at least a cheap one with the star?

Now this is a good deal for a refurb. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavr4520ci/denon-avr-4520ci-denon-s-flagship-home-theater-receiver-150wpc/1.html Bill

I'm not trying to get caught up in the higher watts game, I am looking for a well suited Solid State receiver, amp, separate units, integrated amp that will work and match up with the LaScala's characteristics. A kinda of best matched scenario for sound and only sound. I can have it loud and unbearable but I would like it loud and fantastic sounding and soft and fantastic sounding! I have all the power I need in the Kenwood amp and my Sony, on top of that I also have a 200 watt/Ch amp to hook to them if I wanted to. Most people are telling me that if I want the best sound I need to go tubes, while that may be true I want simplicity and ease and stay with in my comfort zone of Solid State gear. I will check into the Yamaha stuff that was mentioned and I do honestly appreciate the feedback and advice that you are all giving to the new guy on the block. Awesome to see, thanks, Greg.

The numbers are from what I seen in the manual: Miscellaneous Power requirements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .AC 120 V, 60 Hz Power consumption . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .330 W In standby . . . . . . . . 0.2 W (HDMI Setup – Control : OFF) 0.3 W (HDMI Setup – Control : ON) Dimensions . . . . . .420 mm (W) x 200 mm (H) x 460 mm (D) (16 9/16 in. (W) x 7 7/8 in. (H) x 18 1/8 in. (D)) Weight (without package). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .18.5 kg (40.8 lb Right now TV on, avr on, internet modem, cable box off but connected, Yaquin amp on playing music, power console all on for a reading of 88 watts, 123 volt, and 0.9 amp on the power console, Not much more than a light bulb.

Sup gentlemen? High of 76 today. Front should blow through this afternoon (poss 45 mph winds) and 32 degrees tomorrow. Like they say, if you don't like the weather in South East TX, just wait. Last weekend I made the mistake of borrowing a co-workers robotic pool cleaner. My wife absolutely loved it. We had a Polaris installed when the pool was new and describing it as a POS would be a compliment. We've been manually cleaning it since about the second year of ownership which takes almost an hour. No more. I ordered a robot this morning. You just plug it in, drop it in the water, push one button and take it out when it's done. It's incredible. What a time saver. They're pricey, but the time savings alone made it worth it. I NEVER would have taken the plunge (HA!) if I hadn't borrowed and used one first.

I have a pair in very good/excellent condition, oak. Upgraded crossover and titanium tweeter-Crites work. I am in Rochester NY.

I definitely appreciate all of the advice. I believe there is indeed wisdom in seeking the counsel of many. It allows for me to see the situation from other perspectives and from people that are outside the scope of the situation. With emotion set aside, the honest answer is no. I wanted some time to think about it because I didn't get the impression he was positive he knew what the problem was. The guy said that he found 2 capacitors that were not measuring as high as the other 5. I asked him how fixing two caps would fix the issue when at one time, I had up to 4 channels that did not turn on. If he could have provided me with a logical explanation, I would have felt more secure in his ability. I wanted to think about it so that I wouldn't make an irrational decision (been there, done that many times). The next day I was busy trying to get things ready for my trip to Alabama to see wakejunkie and figured I would call make a final decision after I returned home because I knew (or at least I thought) they wouldn't work on it without me saying yes to the quote. I was thinking it was going to be close to what I had just paid to have the Onkyo repaired by them which was $165.00. $165.00 to $280.00 is a big difference. That's that part that I struggled with. I have no desire to be a jerk in this situation. I have nothing to gain by doing so. No money saved is worth compromising my integrity, character and testimony. I'm hoping we can come to an agreement that will work for both of us. If they say they can do it for $150, I'm fine with that. If it's above $200, I'll let Adam fix it for $120. I would be perfectly fine with that. They fixed the Onkyo and I've had no problems with that. If they resolve this in a professional manner that is fair for both of us, I would be glad to give them my business in the future. Honestly, I don't feel 100% confident that it is fixed. Even though they will provide a 90 day warranty, if it needs additional repair, it would require 2 more 1hr 45min round trips.

in my area & others lascalas frequently sell for $1200-1600+ depending on condition & vintage of course. chorus & ii sell for 500-800, 800 being the high end in excellent shape. pretty darn close to $1k difference.

WW II is the wrong analogy. We were slow to get in, it was "their" war until December 7th. The analogy was the discovery of a hole in the ozone layer and the chemicals that caused it my American scientists which led to the phased in ban of freon in aerosol sprays and other refrigerants. The Montreal Protocol was the result that has been amended several times to include other chemicals. Chemicals that increase global warming. The MP is working on the ozone hole. Koyoto is the international solution to global warming, it spells out what needs to be done and by when. We were in Koyoto, a part of the solution, then we withdrew, now we are back in it again. Personally, AGW shouldn't be our main concern. There will be more flooding in New York, othet coastal cities, more severe weather patterns, etc. and we can adapt to that and argue about what can be done all we want. The real problem, in my view, is that the pH of the ocean is 30% more acidic from carbon emissions, all man made. The number and the cause are undisputed. Aside from whatever nations that depend on the oceans we all depend on it for oxygen. If green algae begins to slow in reproduction due to pH increasing, or worse, begins dying, it is all over. The ocean, in addition to providing half of the oxygen we breath also removes half of the CO2 that is removed by photosynthesis. What I worry about is that we are not putting enough focus on the ocean in science and research to determine just how much it can take beyond what we have done already. We learned that coal burning was able to pollute the ocean to the point of toxic levels of mercury in fish in only 100 years. Pregnant women are advised to avoid all fish/seafood in this country. Climate and the weather get the attention because it plays out in storms, floods and heatwaves. A scientist sitting in a lab looking as near microscopic plants is pretty boring and diffict to understand how they are ESSENTIAL for life on the entire planet to exist.