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Its a TGIF good morning to you all................. I will be at my usual post this evening over in RTM for a music listening session per usual, if your not busy, stop by and join in I'll be there around 8pm. eastern Enjoy your day for what ever you are into...... .....................Gary

Good LATE evening friends.... Well, dTel you are correct on that model. One of the reviewers mentioned they saw them all over Disneyworld ! Company has been in business since the 70ies...! Chuck, I bought the flagship speakers in the 'Architectural' series, model 'ASP-120' ... These also feature a 70volt option for commercial use... Another reviewer bought them for his INDOOR audio system! Here is the link to the page http://www.ticcorp.com/patio_speakers.htm They really do sound amazing, as they have a 6.5" bass driver, titanium tweeter and tuned front duct. The sub will cross them over at 200Hz. and up and of course takes it down from there... I will have more info and my own photos for you all on Saturday as soon as I finish the installation... You can also let me know if I should paint the speaker to match the floor OR the railing balustrades . OH, BillyBob........ I ride a Suzuki M90 (1500cc.) muscle cruiser... You hardly ever see them... More common is the M-109 (the big brother = 1800cc.). There are only a handful of bike models from various manufactures in this class.... If a Harley, you would compare it to a V-Rod ... This one shares sport bike cues from the Hyabusa, yet, it has a model specific V-Twin... All 32 bit. computer controlled, dual fuel injection throttle bodies (yes, it has TWO air filters), 2 sparkplugs / 4 valves per cyl. and even a pair of catalytic converters in the dual exhaust system...! Won't bore you with any more other then it is black with bits of deep blue metal flakes in the finish and of course some chrome... Time for bed, as it is 12 midnight here in the east! More on Friday...... ......Gary

Good morning (Still) Gang Up from catnap, made Belgains and second pot of Dickinsons Beans are screaming from boiling water being dumped on them, pot making strange noises. Think ill shop for a tad bigger coffee pot today , wife being retired now, she is around helping me dirnk the pot, so no more cold coffee leftovers.

Wife is up and has NO idea fpr plan of the day, check the Auction sites dear, ok i say, here we have a whole bunch of junk that i have NO reason to own. interesting site: http://www.westauction.com/items/page/1 :

Killin time sipping on the third cup waiting for the wife to get up, see what see feels like doing. Off to surf and likey spend on the bay, better get another coffee

Morning Gang Coffee should be perked, a few of those and maybe a nap. Lately iv been adding Carnation canned milk then a smiddgin of the Duggans, enhances the Duggans bigtime. Walking out to the cave, see the Dodge sitting there. nope no interest, maybe Sat/Sun. Crow t Robot parts slowley arriving, Crow go's for +- $500 on the Bay and im around that price already, no biggie. Wife is trying to talk me in pulling the plane out of Hayward and taking it up to Reno, should i guess. Everyone have a safe looong weeked, i continue with mine :emotion-21:

Morning gang, 4 day weekend for me here. I will miss going to work on my favorite day of the week, Monday. Oh well, well over due for some time off. Finished my first class last night, with an A, 25 more to go. Well getting ready to head to the lake to continue to drive that well point. I will pick up a post driver this morning to give it a try, it might save my pipe from damage as opposed to using a sledge. Coffee is good in my fav. Klipsch mug, I have been trying some new coffees and so far all have been good. As for outdoor systems, I am going to pick a bluetooth receiver for a Sansui receiver, and my Klipsch KSB 1.1. The KSB 1.1s are made out of ABS plastic. According to Colter these were the same as the first outdoor speaker, just painted white and the port hole was plugged. I just need to find a place to mount them on the camper, and run speaker wire to them. Well the wife is yelling at me to get a list of things needed for the lake, so got to run. See you all later.

Friday greetings guys. Starting to realize how much weather affects moods .... ours continues to suck. This will really play hell with our bragging rights about "Sunny Colorado." Of course, as one who has settled into retirement pretty much, it encourages me to be even lazier than usual! Big plans for the day are a haircut, Baxter's walk (between rain episodes) and finding a movie to watch in the HT tonight for date night with better half. Exhausting, I know, but worth it. Chuck, Jake says he's just 'big boned' and not fat. Baxter agrees and wants to get on the same diet plan. Later folks .....and cheers to all.

Oh, I get it now.......... speakers! Looked like a set of thongs there for a minute!

I had to look them up, and yep it's what I though they were when you said green. Many years ago I heard some in a store and thought they sounded really good, went home and after thinking about it for a few weeks wanted to get a couple, So we went back to the store and they were gone, asked and they didn't know if they were going to get any more or not. they never did and I searched all over without finding any. It didn't help that I didn't know the brand name but everyone knew what they looked like but didn't know where to get them. Never did find them, but now were useing something else anyway. I do remember they had surprising sound and nice bass considering the size and being weather proof. Very nice

Yep billiybob since he was neutered he has turned into a porker. Gary I looked at the brand speakers you bought. Which ones (model #) did you purchase? Mark....you still at the pub?

That sounds and looks like a very nice bike for sure. Got rid of my 500 Honda mid-cruiser as was too top heavy. Nan and I just spoke with her brother from Oldtown, Maine when I found out he had a Honda 1100 for the last 5 years, and did a 1200 mile ride into Canada with a bud camping out along the way. Needless to say, I still have the yearning to replace mine now. Thanks! Not that it matters much but, my first was a Suzuki 50 in late sixties. Good and reliable! Hope that works for you duder! Nan's sister and my bud from the early 70's coming over in the afternoon. Have to pace myself with a diet Lite ao won't be snookered before sundown. So been cleaning house. Working this weekend so, have to see if I get a ribeye off of friends new Brinkman baby smoker... Enjoy and guess I will be around some this w/e

That sounds tasty, Duggans does what Baileys cannot.

Just got home from the Farm, do not know yet, will research in the next few hours and jack it up in the morning.

Critter had his bath....and I did as well. Lard butt is up to 123 pounds and I have to lift him into the car and into the bathtub After his bath we stopped by the ABC store for alcohol. Wanted to try a chocolate martini for the LF. First attempt was mighty tasty.

I haven't heard it but surely it is super tight and clean on music. I mean, a single 12 that has a triple thick baffle, 1,000 watts rms, weighs 95 pounds, and has it's own room correction functionality, I mean, for its size that goes way beyond a typical DIY project. Now can you spend the same and have a funk nasty wall of 18's? Sure you can. And that's exactly what most people buying this does NOT want. Regardless of the pretty veneer, anything better is probably going to be significantly larger, and that's just not desired for people with high end living rooms.

what looks like it could be the main entrance looks like it is outfitted with a doctors office type waiting room window. certainly could be that someone was thinking of an assisted living or rehab thing. one thought, seeing the brick wall through the studs looks like it was built on the cheap. most all of the construction i see has plywood, chip board and/or insulating sheets secured over the framing before masonry work begins. that doesn't look right. the smaller building looks like it is finished out like a residence. nice pool, too.

Terri's recollection of the speakers being delivered with grills in place, IMO, makes it more likely that they are unpainted beneath the grills. Terri's father was way ahead of the curve in the 70s to hire someone to build a Music Room. I love it that the builder took her father to High Fidelity Workshop (HFW) and recommended what to buy. HFW, on Woodweard Ave. in Royal Oak, MI, was a very small place with essentially no inventory. If an item was larger than a cartridge, it almost always had to be special ordered. Terri's dad's La Scalas were almost certainly special ordered to the specifications of the "builder" who recommended them. In the 70s, I put together a DJ biz to fund tuition. I was close to ordering four KDBR, decorator K-Horns in raw birch from HFW. If memory serves, they were about $800 each. I was also planning to order a Crown amp to power the K-Horns. Due to being an impoverished college student, I instead purchased four factory-built plywood Speakerlab Skorns for $400 each delivered to Detroit. A Dynakit ST-400 amp further reduced the capital investment needed to launch the biz. After deafening adolescents in Southeast Michigan for a little more than a year, I sold the biz for $4,000. Unfortunately, the db levels produced by 600 watts (300/channel into 4 ohms) into 4 fully horn loaded speakers took a toll on my high frequency hearing, despite wearing silent Sennheiser headphones while the music roared. As you may have guessed, I'm helping Terri find a worthy home for her Father's La Scalas. Having been around these forums for many years and having been involved in many transactions, there are a few "conditions" that I will recommend to Terri. Until she returns from the holiday weekend to indicate otherwise, I'll be the "bad cop" and state some of the conditions that I have recommended. until an offer is accepted, there is no sale; after an offer (whether the asking price or a lower offer) is accepted, the "buyer" will have a reasonable time (tbd) to complete the sale, during which time higher offers will not be entertained; and cash only with delivery/pick-up in Milford, MI. To be clear, expressing an interest is not an offer. Calling "dibs" means nothing. Indicating that your cousin wants them and asking forum members to back-off is pointless. Money talks . . . everything else is Internet babble. Someone will get these nearly pristine La Scalas at a fair price. By definition, if a buyer and Terri agree to a price it must be fair to both parties. You can contact Terri (or me) to make reasonable arrangements to bring cash to Milford to collect the speakers, during which limited time they will be unavailable to other "buyers." Or you can waste time suggesting conditions or making comments. While Internet chatter is taking place, a serious buyer, of which there are a few who have expressed intererst, will strike a deal with Terri and own these exceptional La Scalas. If you snooze, or whine, you will lose this rare opportunity. Have a great and safe Memorial Day Weekend. Please remember those who served and those who are still serving.

Here's a darn good explanation http://www.prestonelectronics.com/audio/Impedance.htm

What are the odds that these K400's fit perfectly in this cut out? Just put some Fastracs in the La Scalas.

Can't imagine why anyones wife on here wouldn't mind that pretty front end.

Nice article Moray, thanks for that! That confirms what I thought all along about the Chorus. In my opinion both Chorus models are a step above the Cornwall. In fact, I'd really like to see a Chorus III come out with a larger mid horn like the 510. Personally, I wouldn't change the tuning of the Chorus, if you lack bass or are missing lower frequencies I'd add a subwoofer or two.

I don't know how it sounds but it sure looks good. Bill

No wonder the LF is always smiling, you take good care of her. 64 shakes well there must have been no moon when Carl made his in Hope, it was 100 shakes, not 99 and not 101. It could be the elevation difference and geographical location, technical things those martinis are, I had no idea, need to remember where I'm at, and the moon phase !

May not have caught you were a rider. BMW. or other? Thanks! Getting thirsty again. Women and men come to fiound out like delicious beverages, nice pic's an bonapetit 123 pounds...Holy smoker!

Hello friends, just in from work and checking the activities here in C&C.......... Having too much fun I see ! Nice drinks Chuck! YES, there will be photos of the deck system for you all, just have to finish it up, which I hope will be Saturday at least.... Don't get too excited about the sub, it is GREEN in color to match the '360' satellite system that TIC makes. It will live next to the grill and I am thinking that it will match the two umbrellas......BUT, I may paint it to match the deck colors, we'll see if green grows on me ... Also have to finish up some things with main speaker and subwoofer settings in the Longfellow Theater......... I moved the Velodyne out of there to live with the Khorns and the Pinnacle Sub-350 is out of the studio and went into the theater, a NEW environment for it, and adjustments will have to be made I'm sure... It won't play as low as the F-1500, but it has more power, and with DUAL 12" drivers (one BEHIND the other) it hits harder for explosional impact (did I just make up a new word??) Ok, off to the monthly motorcycle rider club meeting, then to an Italian dinner experience afterword.. Catch you all a bit later.. ..........Gary

Finlandia vodka, Duggans, Crème De Cocoa. Shake exactly 81 times with gusto. Garnished with fresh mint. Next time will swirl chocolate syrup in chilled martini glass and garnish with Hershy Kiss, mint, and shaved chocolate. On a full moon you only need 64 shakes.....gravitational pull thing you know

Yes pictures, put it under the grill when you want to turn what your cooking, just turn up the volume. Sounds like something Carl would do, he tends to build monster subs Just starting to rain again here, it skipped yesterday just long enough to heat up everything and get the humidity high, it was thick outside.

Whatever YOU decide is important qualifies. People have expressed WHY things are important to them in this thread and it has been very informative and enlightening. I, like others, have reconsidered many of the lps people have discussed as being "important."

My main reason for writing this is because I could not find a review for the P312W when I was considering getting it. I thought there should be something out there for someone to refer to prior to investing such a large amount of money. So here is my humble contribution. I hope it helps someone. Also, since I have the RSW-15 I thought it would be beneficial to give someone who has perhaps heard that sub a baseline against Klipsch’s current best offering. These are arguably the best two consumer subwoofers Klipsch has made in the last 15 years. I am privileged to own both of them. But before having both I often wondered which one was the better performer in relation to cost? Would someone who spent $800 on a used RSW-15 be significantly disadvantaged or would spending $4,000 on a brand new P312w be worth it? No doubt, these subs are in a different classes, one being 12” and the other being 15”. But, I think that since the technology built into the larger sub is over a decade old and the technology in the 12” sub is ‘newer’ the comparison might be more balanced. And I will try to remember that during my comparison. This is strictly a 2.1 channel setup comparison. Mechanically, at first glance the most obvious differences between these subs is the driver size. The P312W sports an electronic control panel on the top front edge. It allows total control over the sub either through the use of these touch controls or the remote control. Volume, crossover, presets (music, HT, user), slope, phase (0-180 in single degree increments), etc. The lights are blue and intensity is adjustable. Frankly, when I first saw it I found the color un-appealing. It’s growing on me but I don’t think I’ll ever be enamored with it. The RSW-15 has no such panel and access to most of these controls (it does not have presets) is primarily on the back via switches and knobs. Not very ergonomic especially when you consider placement close to a wall and you are trying to get behind it to make adjustments. No fancy remote to make changes from the comfort of your lounger. The volume control is handy (in an old-fashioned sort of way) in that it is located on the upper right side of the box. You still have to get out of your lounger to adjust it (first-world problems!). Visually, the differences are striking. The RSW-15 is essentially a box with a nice finish and two copper colored woofers (one active and one passive) on either end – visually appealing in its own way, if not a bit plain. The finish is beautiful. Mine is the Cherry. Black is also offered. The grille is large and flimsily. The pins that hold it onto the subwoofer are extremely long and spindly. They break easily and finding a used one with all the pins is probably rare. Really a shame and the engineers should have been embarrassed. The slightly smaller-in-stature P312W sports a sort of aircraft fuselage design with a remarkable finish (it comes in Merlot, Espresso, or Natural) but IMO a rather boring woofer – the color is sort of gray and reflects light to an off-white wavelength. I look at it and keep thinking ‘why not copper?’ I remember being struck on how small the driver looked even for 12 inches. I think this affect is because the driver itself is not flush with the front surface of the sub and is actually recessed 1.5 inches. If not for the design of the driver’s bezel I’d probably be fine leaving the grille on it. Speaking of which, the grille is light-years ahead in design compared to the RSW-15’s. It’s more rigid because it is a solid piece of plastic with only the center opened for the driver, unlike the RSW-15’s which is a completely hollow-diamond design. It fits very snugly around the bezel of the control panel at the top. So much so that I felt I should slip it up from the beneath and then into place to push in the much shorter and less likely to break pins into their perfectly fitted holes. Magnets are my personal preference. There are 3 drivers on the P312W in a triangular configuration: an active driver on the front and a passive on either side of the ‘fuselage.’ They also have their own grilles, which presents a grille management problem if you want them all three removed to display the drivers. Where does one put 3 grilles, much less one? However, Klipsch does not recommend removing the passive grilles and doesn’t describe in the manual how to remove them, only that if they are off they should be reinstalled. I found that interesting. Rear connections are also light-years different on the two models. The RSW-15 has inputs via RCA connections. That’s it! The P312W has options: RCA, USB, MIC (included, to calibrate the sub to your room, completely automated), and XLR jacks. I would have liked to have seen optical added to the list, if it’s possible? One detail that deserves mentioning is that the RSW-15 has a small light on the front to let you know it’s on. The P312W has no such indicator. They both have an auto on feature. Probably of no value, but I found it curious that the power cable for the P312W is two-pronged. No ground. The RSW-15 is three-pronged. I’m not an electrician so maybe someone with a background could explain the difference. The P312W is the first subwoofer I have purchased that came with a pair of white cotton gloves and a ‘gown’ with a draw string made of the same white cotton to clothe the sub in for shipment. As mentioned, a fully functioning remote control, a mic in a (faux?) leather pouch with a stand and an ample length cable are also included. I didn’t buy my RSW-15 new so I can’t comment on what was in the box. Before we get to the ‘meat’ of this review, a few P312W specifics: Calibrating the P312W for room acoustics is pretty straight forward. Simply hook up the microphone and place it, find the menu for running the test on the sub and begin. The sub will run tones from lowest to highest and then it’s done. You can then save the slope in any of the presets or user defined settings provided. The P312W remote is a bit larger than a credit card and about ¼” thick. Any function on the subs control panel can be achieved with the remote. It is convenient for making changes but I do not like that there is no visual feedback to know whether the adjustments you are making are actually being received by the sub. For instance, if you want to change the volume you will hear this difference given enough change. But for even 3 db changes I’m not sure anybody can hear that, so without any visual feedback from the remote the only way to confirm the change is to walk up to the sub and watch the display. On other adjustments, such as making a 5hz adjustment to the crossover, good luck verifying that at your couch, so I found myself walking over and using the remote right in front of the sub so I could see the display. That kind of defeats the purpose of the remote. Also, because of the small and lightweight size of the remote it felt a little clumsy in my hand. My hands are small. I imagine anybody with larger hands would have difficulty using it. There are 3 settings to help define your subs characteristics: Depth, Flat, and Punch. According to the manual, this is what they do: Depth: boosts the 30hz range. Punch: emphasizes the 55hz region. Flat: defeats those two settings. I am using Depth for this review. Ideal placement for this sub as described in the manual is for it to be put into a corner pointed at the listener. This is so the passive drivers each have a wall to work with and to enhance the bass. This is problematic IF you want your sub on the front wall with your main speakers simply because most people are going to use those corners for those main speakers. It is especially problematic if you are using the sub in a 2.1 system with Klipschorns, such as my setup. Okay! Let’s move onto the main event! How do the RSW-15 and the P312W compare in what they have been designed to do? (DISCLAIMER: I do not have measuring equipment, nor do I consider myself an ‘audiophile’. I’m only going on how they sound and how they feel TO ME). Equipment: For full disclosure, each sub is being fed lossless files from GooglePlay through a Sonos with a vintage DBX BX3 Mii and a DBX CX3 Mii pre-amp powering the Klipschorns. I also run a DBX 14/10 Equalizer/Analyzer. Room characteristics: I spent a lot of time finding where the crossover point on these subs felt most comfortable with the Klipschorns: 45hz. I am using the EQ to even out room acoustics TO SUIT MY EAR. The subs are sitting in a room that is 16 feet wide and about 35 feet long with 9 foot ceilings with carpeting for the first 20 feet from all speakers. A fairly good sized space for two enclosed subs – an especially tall order for the P312W since it is 12 inches. For all songs I am listening at my position at about 18 feet from the speakers. Readings here are averaging 80db. Songs chosen for the comparison are: Michael Jackson’s Billie Jean; Oleta Adams’ Get Here; and Lloyd Banks’ Beamer, Benze, or Bentley. Why Billie Jean? The entry notes are some of the most memorable base notes ever written (imo) and everyone instantly knows their melody. Why Get Here? Deep, hard hitting base with a fantastic attack, yet clear and precise accompaniments with no distractions – other than Oleta’s fabulous voice. It’s easy to focus on the refined qualities of a bass passage. Why Beamer, Benze, or Bentley? If you want to find out what your sub can do this is the song that will tell you. I’m no fan, but I can’t deny the bass. (Hey, this isn’t a popularity contest of music, I want to know what these subs can do!) All songs were listened to multiple times with each sub. P312W: Using the digital display, the sub is set to 0db (Reference) for all three songs. Billie Jean: The bass notes in this piece run one after another. This can give the impression that the sub is loose, but I have to remember it is the nature of the song. Low notes rumble and I could barely feel it in my posterior sitting on the couch some 18 feet away. The main rhythm hits around the 50-60hz mark – above the crossover, and I found myself wanting to give the sub more of the duty as compared to the Klipschorns – being that the subs presentation was confident and very musical. I did not get the impression that the sub was working hard at all. Get Here: Tight. Very tight. The fast attacks of this song are no problem for this sub to reproduce. Clarity and definition are amazing. Bass notes hit, and then they are gone they do not linger. There are parts of the song where a snare will hit exactly when the deepest bass notes are plucked and it actually startled me a couple times because of the quick attack – these, I think, are about 30hz and lower. I was impressed that as fast a snare drum dissipates this sub does that same thing with bass notes. Beamer, Benze, or Bentley: Holy cow. I actually got chills. This sub LOVED this and so did I. The main frequencies in play here are around 45hz and lower. My EQ showed this area to be pegged at +12db very frequently, combined with the sub set at reference. About 80db at my position. Rock solid. It was the kind of bass where your ears start to feel like they are plugged: room filling and overpowering. I turned it up just to see…90db…my whole body was vibrating and it was becoming uncomfortable for both me and the sub, which started to complain to me by getting a bit loose and sloppy. For 12 inches, very nice. RSW-15 has no digital readout to determine level so I had to ‘ballpark’ it to a level that ‘sounded’ similar to the P312W. This ended up being about 1/3rd the rotation of the level knob from lowest to highest. To help illustrate the differences, picture a horizontal line 6 inches long (zero being no level and 6 being max level). The R312W would hit at about the 4.5” – 5” mark, the RSW-15 would be down around the 2” mark. Billie Jean: Deep, guttural base. It almost sounded ½ an octave lower to me than the P312W (because it's coming off the wall?). More raw sounding but at the cost of losing some finesse. I know I’ve heard this sub described as musical, but the Palladium seemed more so. Boomy? Yes compared to the Palladium, if just a little. Yes, it was definitely deeper but perhaps not as defined and more muddled. I felt this sub in my feet way more than the Palladium at the same level. Get Here: I love this sub. It is having no problem filling this room with deep, powerful, tight bass. It does seem a bit more muddled and somehow just not as well matched musically with the Klipschorns. It’s more ‘in your face’ whereas the Palladium was doing its job of accompanying the Klipschorns. Definition seemed lacking. Again it sounds deeper and I am feeling more action at my feet than the Palladium was sending to me. Beamer, Benze, or Bentley: If the P312W was a 15” sub I would want it to perform like RSW-15 performs. As on the Palladium, I started out at around 80db and I was feeling this sub at my feet. It wasn’t even working hard so I went to 90db, which is where the Palladium started to complain. This one? It laughed at me while it gave my rear a nice massage on the couch. I didn’t even keep it at this level for more than a few seconds because I knew my neighbors were getting some of it. But, I didn’t get that same plugged ear feeling. Not as low as the Palladium? doubtful. Harmonics from the Palladium and not so much from the RSW-15? Perhaps. More fun? Hell yes. The RSW-15 had plenty of room to go harder. Much harder. Final thoughts: Looking back this just was not a fair comparison. These are two different classes of subwoofer: 12 inch and 15 inch; one shoots out into the room, the other reflects off of a wall. Their only similarities seem to be that they are both made by Klipsch, both employ passive radiators, and both are enclosed. The P312W is a beautiful subwoofer with the finest craftsmanship you could ask for. In addition to looks, what the Palladium also has over the RSW-15 is finesse and style. It does the job a subwoofer should do without waving a big banner saying “look at me!” Which is sort of baffling, because you want to look at it, it is so damn good looking. I found it to be more musical and overall very smooth. It’s the cool cat thumping out solid bass confidently while the RSW-15 is the bull in a china shop wanting to knock all your dishes off the shelves. For 2 channel audio and if it was 2002 and I had the opportunity to buy an RSW-15 for $1800 or get a P312W for $3000 (lowered for inflation) which would I buy? Hands down, no doubt about it, the RSW-15. Today a used RSW-15 can be had for around $800 depending on condition. A used P312W…well A LOT more than that. I can’t help but think that if they re-released the RSW-15 today in the same box with the same amenities it would be priced at about $3,000 - a full $1,000 less than the P312W. Still a better $ value. But I suppose you are paying that premium for this reason: The P312W was released as part of the Palladium package and you wouldn’t match the RSW-15 with the P39F speakers. You just wouldn’t. It was made to compliment the Palladium mains - period. And after listening to it I can see how it would fit perfectly into that package. And if you’ve got the cash for P39F’s then you aren’t going to worry about what the matching sub costs. I don’t think Klipsch was trying to create a sub that bested the RSW-15, they were making a sub that best fit with their flagship HT speakers. And that’s it in a nutshell. When I got the Palladium I immediately moved the RSW-15 upstairs for HT duty – no side by side necessary. For the comparison I brought the RSW-15 back downstairs, and back downstairs is where it is going to stay. The P312W will go upstairs for HT duty with the Heresy III’s. This configuration makes more sense for my setup.

10. - OK Computer - Radiohead 9. - London Calling - The Clash 8. - Never Mind - Nirvana 7. - Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan 6. - Pet Sounds - Beach Boys 5. - Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath 4. - Are You Experienced - Jimi Hendrix 3. - Led Zeppelin IV - Led Zeppelin 2. - DSOM - Pink Floyd 1. - Sgt Peppers... - Beatles Do you agree with the list? (list thanks to Mustang Guy)

Rattle away. Instead of dusting... I just put on U-571.

Nice man! You'll love the OUTLAW 7500 driving those things!

A trip to the Dallas World Aquarium with my lovlies..

More from the garden.

Don't know why they are flipped

As an umpire for a 16+ baseball league, a LOUD smartass in the dugout questioned my eyesight on a call, and I think it was probably one of the kids. I didn't get mad or warn anyone, I simply responded by throwing out assistant coaches one at a time until quiet was restored.

Interesting about the ghost airport in Spain. There are supposedly entire citys in China like this with empty high rises. I always liked this ranch, been for sale for years. http://www.satxproperty.com/blog/vedadi-mansion-in-karnes-county.html The one in the OP is a colossal waste. Terrible architecture in my opinion. It looks like a giant verstion of a Texas tract home. If you are going to build a monument to yourself do it right.

What a waste...... MKP:-)

Right. I think its about $50 a sheet or so which would get expensive quick. And the sheets are 5x5 not 4x8.

Well, was able to sell my other big speakers (Polk LSiM 707s) so I can proudly say these are no longer for sale! :-). Didn't have room for both and these are really everything I want in a speaker. I think I will enjoy these a long time. They sound a lot like my modded K-Horns. As good as it gets!

From the 2011 Pilgrimage, the rest (232) are here http://s1228.photobucket.com/user/dtel2/library/Hope%202011?sort=3&page=1

I love the clean look of the front end, including the black audio AVR and the black subs. Visually that's exactly how I like my front end. I can't set mine up like yours because I have a wife to contend with so let's just be polite and say "some compromises need to be made." Those would be compromises by me, not her.

Point well taken. My opinion on a very subjective subject is certainly not definitive. I have not even heard half the albums on that list, so I'm not qualified to make a completely informed opinion on them. That's where you guys come in. I trust you. Please don't read too much into that quote. I'm certainly no expert and just trying to stimulate some thought (maybe a little "Jeff Matthews" in me on some of these topics but trying to offer a little more insight to an opposing thought?) to allow us all to benefit from each others perspective and insight rather than quote the polls. I believe that the Beatles are just too easy to pick and I wanted to explore how others see the various albums. As to listening, I've got the LP for everything on the original list and everything I've suggested but the Radiohead "OK Computer" album; however, I cannot assert that everything is a favorite of mine or will be a favorite for anyone else. I actually love all of the old Rolling Stones and the Doors. Essentially, just highlighting a few of those 'landmark' type LPs that made me stop and think.

Looks good, the first martini I ever had was a chocolate martini and it was good, the second martin I ever had was made by Carl in Hope and it was even better than the first, by far. 123 pounds he doesn't look that big, but I'm sure it feel's like it picking him up, you better stay in shape.

125 pounds each... I can put two of them in the back of my 2007 Subaru Forester, which looks like a really small car. They travel well that way. Bruce

Don't you just hate when you're the guy yelling, "Hey you kids get off my lawn"?

Small Size Power Efficiency Low Cost To my knowledge you can only have two of these three qualities at any one time.