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Just dropping in... All kinds of stuff going on....Trying to get the coin together for the Hope trip... It's not just the money for the trip but it's those ten days the shop will be closed... Me and The BOSS have never closed the shop for that long... we would do short little trips in the summer... Well The BOSS is not feeling well, she suffers from allergies really bad.... she came home early from the shop. The pollen doesn't really bother me,but for some it kicks there a$$.. Chuck, glad your getting your deck back... hope it all works out for ya.. OK ..... gonna go a watch a movie... we just got net-flix in today.... got The Martian and Burnt... Check-in later... MKP :-)

Well I sent a note to the wife of my R2R tech and she answered with a phone call. She said she had no idea where it may be....that there were many boxes in the garage that were too heavy for her to get down. She invited me to come take a look. She called back Sunday and said she had found it under some covers. We tentatively set next Friday for me to come pick it up. I have no idea what condition it will be in but hopefully all together. She seemed nice and still very rattled by the loss of her husband. Having loss my wife I assured her at some point she will not feel the pain so acutely and then we chatted for a bit...... Here is the deck in question.

A lot of things can affect hearing. Studies have been done to confirm this, For instance, a biologist was interested in studying how far bullfrogs can jump. He brought a bullfrog into his laboratory, set it down, and commanded, "Jump, frog, jump!" The frog jumped across the room. The biologist measured the distance, then noted in his journal, "Frog with four legs jumped eight feet." Then he cut the frog's front legs off. Again he ordered, "Jump, frog, jump!" The frog struggled a moment, then jumped a few feet. After measuring the distance, the biologist noted in his journal, "Frog with two legs jumped three feet." Next, the biologist cut off the frog's back legs. Once more, he shouted, "Jump, frog, jump!" The frog just lay there. "Jump, frog, jump!" the biologist repeated. Nothing. The biologist noted in his journal, "Frog with no legs - lost its hearing."

Who is up for a fishing trip?

Hey Travis! Yeah, I got some rest at my brothers place. He is a Tax Attorney here in Columbus and is doing well, he has two clients worth at least 8 figures, one of them is a Shotenstein of the "Shot" OSU sports complex fame. Can't wait to see you in May, where are you staying? and when are you coming in? MKP, please tell the BOSS I am sorry she is having that alergic reaction from that kiss she planted on me a few posts back! When are you two arriving at Rodney's??? Last night at work this week, then it is home bound at 8 am for 1 hour & 50 minutes to see the family. Everybody have a great Friday, and drink a warm, read not "HOT" cup for me! Rog Tried to answer this earlier but I was getting that dreaded database error message. Been popping up often lately for me too.

Hey Travis! Yeah, I got some rest at my brothers place. He is a Tax Attorney here in Columbus and is doing well, he has two clients worth at least 8 figures, one of them is a Shotenstein of the "Shot" OSU sports complex fame. Can't wait to see you in May, where are you staying? and when are you coming in? MKP, please tell the BOSS I am sorry she is having that alergic reaction from that kiss she planted on me a few posts back! When are you two arriving at Rodney's??? Last night at work this week, then it is home bound at 8 am for 1 hour & 50 minutes to see the family. Everybody have a great Friday, and drink a warm, read not "HOT" cup for me! Rog Tried to answer this earlier but I was getting that dreaded database error message.

Hey Travis! Yeah, I got some rest at my brothers place. He is a Tax Attorney here in Columbus and is doing well, he has two clients worth at least 8 figures, one of them is a Shotenstein of the "Shot" OSU sports complex fame. Can't wait to see you in May, where are you staying? and when are you coming in? MKP, please tell the BOSS I am sorry she is having that allergic reaction from that kiss she planted on me a few posts back! When are you two arriving at Rodney's??? Last night at work this week, then it is home bound at 8 am for 1 hour & 50 minutes to see the family. Everybody have a great Friday, and drink a warm, read not "HOT" cup for me! Rog

I've had cold pizza for breakfast many times. Mmmmmm. You might try cryogenic treated "cold" pizza. I mean Real cold pizza. Hey, it works for hifi gear why not pizza?! That might be a little too cold

They'll actually fit in the bed of a pick up when you put them on end.

Carl, that unit is pretty impressive. It has a 460lb weight capacity. That means me and 180lbs of stuff. Woo hoo!

Not sure what i would feel more unsafe in.

the best car audio is a great sounding engine... :/thread

I've had cold pizza for breakfast many times. Mmmmmm. You might try cryogenic treated "cold" pizza. I mean Real cold pizza. Hey, it works for hifi gear why not pizza?!

Glad it worked out and you should get your tape deck back.

Did Roger get some rest?

I'd love to have a tree house but no good trees around me. I like the Tree House Masters show. You should put up walls and a roof, set up a 5.1 for the kiddos. Paducah Home Treeater

She doesn't need it because she doesn't use it anyway...

Let the wife fix it. Keith

Didn't see this coming. https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ferrari-begin-using-hellcat-engines-2017-133045439.html

Here is the volume displacement so maybe this will make up your mind. R-115SW 27.06L R-112SW 13.26L

That's pretty cool, great for many lakes or marshes, it looks more stable than you would think.

I feel the same way.

I can tell you that boat would become a submarine as soon as my fat bottom landed in it!

The Martian was a spectacular movie. You will be watching it in a HT correct?

At least the lines of communication are open now. Good luck!

Cold pizza ? Not a big fan but i guess if i was hungry i would eat it. Anybody have a Giordano's pizza nearby or is that just a local franchise ? Love that stuffed pie.

A Boy Scout always knows to "be prepared."

Sometimes after dinner, I'll order a pizza just for breakfast the next morning or two. Is it bad I'm thinking about my next meal while eating my current meal?

Caution: Longish review. If you fancy a read, grab your favorite cocktail and enjoy. If you don’t drink, this might be significantly more painful for you. A little bit of background about listening preferences: My reference system consists of a pair of all-original 1978 Altec 19 with 416-8B woofers and 802-8g tweeters, both with the AlNiCo magnets. I mostly stream lossless audio from my Mac to a Maverick Audio D1 DAC. The speakers are driven from a Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II tube integrated amp. I enjoy a balanced sound that leans toward warm and lush. If given the choice, I prefer to sacrifice the edge of detail to have a more musical experience. I don’t need to hear if Mark Knopfler has a booger hanging out of his nose or not; I want to enjoy music. I tried the three sets of speakers with two setups, the Maverick DAC with tube out to an NAD D 3020 integrated, and the Maverick with SS out to a Denon 2808ci receiver working as a preamp to a B&K Video-5 amp. The Quartets have been updated with Crites’ titanium tweeters and new crossovers. RP-280F First, anyone concerned about efficiency on these - stop worrying. These play at almost the same exact level as the other two. They are rated at 98db, the Heresy 99db, and Quartet 97.5db. Perhaps they are not exactly 98, but they are so close it doesn’t matter. I didn’t bother using my SPL meter – it wasn’t worth testing what was clearly a very close race. Shoving a flashlight into the rear tractrix port, and getting my nose in there, I could see bracing that I assume extends the height of the speaker. I wasn’t about to take apart brand-new speakers to see what else may be going on in there. While music is playing, the cabinet has just a small amount of vibration and feels solid. It’s not a bank vault, but it’s not the singing box of years past, either. This new design and bracing gets the cabinet out of the way of the sound, which leaves no trace of “boxiness” in the RP-280F’s listening profile. I have begun calling the RP-280F “the Skinnies.” At 43” tall, they make the Quartets look short, and the Heresy III positively dumpy. It’s no surprise that the Skinnies have the most modern look of the three, and may actually be accepted by your spouse – the one who may have thought once or eighteen times about setting ablaze your 1970s boxes. I gave the Skinnies 25-30 hours of break-in before making final judgments. Out of the box, they had plenty of highs and lows, but they had a leanness in the midrange. At first, listening to them felt like enjoying a pile of nachos without the meat, cheese, or sour cream. After letting them play awhile, more meat appeared in the midrange. You might be thinking, “Nope, your ears got used to it.” False. I did an A/B vs the Quartets within the first couple hours of hooking the Skinnies up, and then 30 hours in. At first, the Skinnies sounded lean, and were lacking warmth. I was ready to dismiss them and deal with the expletive-laden process of packing them up and sending them in for return. Thirty hours in, the tonality became sweeter, and lusher like their distant cousins, the Quartets. This was verified with an A/B switch. What was initially a lean sound became more rounded, but with layers of detail. The voices have left the box. The Skinnies’ cabinet design produces a clean, open sound that is free from the confines of its dimensions. I challenge any “golden ear” audiophile, in a blind test, to tell me these are horns. Thanks to the new hybrid tractrix horn , there are no horn colorations on these guys,. With an updated crossover design, these speakers create an incredibly smooth sound. They also have enough detail to satisfy, but they’re not the last word in transparency. And I don’t care. They’re that satisfying. Depending on your source equipment, some glassiness will rear its ugly head in the upper registers (8khz+). This wasn’t apparent when using the setup mentioned for review, but when using a Schiit DAC and some terrible cables, there was a need to reduce 8khz and 16khz by ~1db. Distortion? None. I’m sure there will be people that will crank these a lot louder than I am willing to go. But at the borderline scream-to-the-person-next-to-you level at which I played them, I heard no distortion. The bass stayed clean and all parts of the mix stayed together without any compression. Speaking of bass, that’s incredible. They dig deep and clean. Very clean. No bazooka-tube subwoofer here. Efficiency and speed are virtues of the updated woofers. There was power and texture to some drums that I have not heard since a couple years ago when I heard a set of GamuT RS9. I bought these knowing they are not hand-built and that they have vinyl veneer. The veneer is actually pretty neat looking, with deep and dramatic vertical grains, but it isn’t actually wood. Sitting next to the Quartet and Heresy, which are both veneered in real oak, there is an obvious difference. Since I don’t generally stare at the sides of them or touch them, I don’t particularly care about that. Generally, I’d much rather pay for drivers and engineering than a beautiful cabinet with cheap parts, and to that end, the RP-280F delivers exactly what I expected. However, if I could, I’d pay for both the cabinet and parts, which basically means I’d be paying for their big brother, the RF-7ii. Cheap veneer is one thing, but the detail that makes me want to throw a tantrum in the middle of the grocery store is the final fit of the parts. The rubber horns are easily peeled back to reveal double-stick tape to hold them down onto the baffle. The horn does fit snugly into holes like a traditional speaker grill and they aren’t going anywhere, but I don’t want to see double stick tape on these - anywhere. Verdict: Put extra holes to place them in, charge me an extra $50, I don’t care. Get rid of the tape. In the end, the Skinnies are like a fine martini; they’re sophisticated, clean, and slightly sharp. They remind me of a blend of the airy precision of the Martin Logan ESLs, and the bass power of the Magico Q7 Mkii. The RP-280Fs are also finicky like a martini. If you use bottom-shelf booze, you get a drink that will get you where you need to go, but you probably won’t enjoy it very much; there will be harshness and regret. Use something more full-bodied and clean, and you’ve got yourself a pleasant evening. There are speakers with more detail, and those that are warmer, but overall, the sound of the RP-280F is balanced and pleasant. Quartet Why are you in a box? Come out of the box. Seriously, why must the sound be coming from a box? OK, we’ll go with it. Switching from the 280 to these, the sound felt like it was being thrown at you from directly inside the box. You can hear the box, you can hear the horns, but if you leave them playing for a minute or two, you do forget about that. They have a sweetness to their sound that is like being sung to sleep by your favorite aunt. They approach the detail of the 280, but cannot match it. Some portions of the music are smoothed over, blended up, and played back with a cream cheese coating. The Quartets only had the slightest bit more warmth in voices than the 280, but lack the air and detail. With their airless cream cheese, it would suggest much more warmth than the 280, but an A/B switch reveals the biggest differences are detail and extension. Playing louder, I sensed the tiniest hint of harshness to the sound as compared to the 280. Without the 280 in the room, this goes completely unnoticed. Neither of these will have a problem destroying your ears at concert-level volumes, if that’s what you’re into. Rather than a sharp martini, the Quartets are a creamy cup of coffee on a cold winter’s day. They are enjoyable to listen to, and it’s only with an A/B test that you can really hear their faults. Heresy III These guys are squatty, ugly, they image too low, and don’t have as much detail as either of the other two. Voices from the Heresies still come from a box, but just like the Quartet, you quickly forget about the boxy sound. As the Heresies played, I felt as though they were wearing velvet while a monk played panpipes and stroked my hair. Their sound is purely relaxing. Voices are slightly recessed, and lack some air, but have a richness to their tone. Both the Heresy and Quartet can throw a wider soundstage than the 280, but lack the pinpoint imaging. Wider baffles seem to be able to create a wider stage much more easily. Regarding the Heresy, the velvety sound, with a wider soundstage, creates a more intimate experience. There is most definitely a Heritage sound, and I like it. The 280 are close when you really focus, but you won’t mistake them for any Heritage model, even if you’re drunk on that martini. Conclusion If I had to choose just one set to live with, it would be the Heresy. They are angled up, looking at you like eager puppies, and are ready to play. They put a smile on my face whenever I see or hear them. Filled with soul and emotion, they are special in a way the new 280s can’t touch. These will be sticking with me, for a good, long time. But let’s say I get to keep two pairs. If that were the case, I’d be keeping the Heresy and the 280. Their tonality is very close, and I get to experience more detail with the 280. It is important not to mistake this detail for brightness. Yes, the Heresies are a tick warmer, but the 280 are not lacking. For their location (my family room, in the heart of my house), the 280 are more visually acceptable, and as an added bonus, are mind-blowing for movies. If I had another room that needed speakers, I’d keep all three.

So, I took advantage of the big discounts on Palladiums and ordered a set of P-37’s, along with the center and surrounds in Merlot. I did not order the sub as it is just too big for me and I already had the RT-10D, which is excellent and compact. The Palladiums replace KLF-20s/C7 and KSP-S6 surrounds. They arrived roughly a couple weeks ago. I am driving them with a Denon AVR-X6200W, and I use Audessey room correction. After many years of tinkering, I had my KLF-20’s really, really dialed into my room and they sounded beyond excellent. My expectations for the Palladiums were better looks, slightly better mids/highs, slightly better imaging, and significantly better center integration/matching. I had my doubts about bass, but given I am running a good sub, I was confident I could get the bass dialed in and would be at least as good. In short, my hope was that these would provide the best sound I have ever heard. (No pressure, haha). The first thing to happen was that my RT-10D subwoofer inexplicably died right at the beginning, so it is in the shop, and I am without sub. When I first turned them on (no sub, no Audessey), I immediately noticed that the P’s had potential, mids/highs were smoother and clearer, and I was very surprised by the quality of the bass. But I knew I had some work to do to get the P’s dialed into my room. Now, I have to say again, the previous KLF-20s were really dialed in, so I had a good idea of the sound I was expecting. After two weeks and probably 20 hours of adjusting speaker positions, running Audessey, dozens of times, with multiple Audessey mic patterns, multiple speaker positions, and driving my wife crazy, last night it finally clicked. And Oh. My. God. It was goose-bump-city all evening. Yes, this is the best sound I have ever achieved in my house. Here are my a few tracks that I use to know if I am dialed in: Blue Ray: I use the movie “Battleship”. This movie has tremendous sound effects. When the alien ship breaks up and slams into earth, the explosion effects are supreme. When a piece of the alien ship slams into a glass skyscraper the explosions and smashing glass is incredible. I expect this to improve when I get my sub back, but I am pleasantly surprised how good the P’s perform without the sub. Music: Mark Knopfler – Album: Golden Heart, Track: Golden Heart. This song has some delicate guitar, delicate vocals, along with bass note that has always been a challenge to get sounding perfect in my room. Greg Brown – Album: Down In There, Track: Hillbilly Girl. This song has acoustic guitar, a delicate deep simple drum beat, and vocals that that will sound grating/awful if my midrange is not dialed in. Yarn – Album: Yarn, Track: Listen Up Sweetheart. This song has acoustic bass, steel guitar, mandolin, gentle snare drum and a certain spaciousness that I look for. Many others, but I use the above ones because I am very familiar with them and they tell me when something ain’t right. Overall happy camper here! Pics:

Gonna watch "The Hateful Eight" tonight. Wife is out of town, so I watch whatever I want and turn it up loud......

He only hears that on April 1

No pic's please even if true

I removed my jumpers and it sounded really bad so I put them back on. I'm not trying that again. LMAO

Not that........

I can't tell you how many times I've heard that.

Got me also, wouldn't be a bad idea if it lowered the price by less than 1/2. .still couldn't afford it But it wouldn't have that Ferrari sound for sure.

Well not really, we watched it here a couple of weeks ago, not a Ht by far but we did have a waiter constantly bringing drinks which is very handy. After seeing it I would want to see it at home, thanks for reminding me.

There's actually a dealership here locally that gives you one of THESE when you buy a new truck.

Or tip over if you caught anything over a pound.

When I was in high school, I had a full sized station wagon. Buick Estate Wagon as I recall. I was moving my Electrovoice Interface D's somewhere.... so I got creative and rewired the stereo and plugged them in....both of them. It was pretty cool! I had a pair of ESS AMT's in the back floor as my every day car speakers. (they got kicked out of the house when the LaScalas arrived) Later in college, I dropped the station wagon and had a 1971 4-4-2 convertible. Don't you know that a pair of LaScalas will fit perfectly in the back seat with the top down!!!! Never hooked them up though. That might have been interesting.

You spent so much time on this and yet the sound is not what you expected. The first thing that comes to my mind is this -- you should be able to use a garbage receiver and still get decent sound, no? 2 thoughts for consideration (not an expert, just a idea guy)...Youthman has a really detailed thread about using LaScalas and other speakers and having difficulty with Audyssey setting proper levels because of the efficieny of the LaScalas. Is it possible that even though you are getting correction, you are bottoming out on the fronts at -12 and need more attentuation before setting levels properly? 2) The room itself. It sounds to me like there's a possibility that how you built the room combined with the speakers chosen is not working well with the treatments. Just another thought.

I was wondering the same thing. I wouldn't argue with him as he has first hand experience but around here that stuff turns to varnish and collects water after a year.

Cold pizza just seems to have more flavor, more vibrant. (plus it's not as greasy cold)

Ohhh man Giordano's is a Chicago area only thing. That bordered on a religious experience. It's only epic fresh, but my oh my... We've ordered some frozen for new years up here in Alaska, but it's just not the same.

I've had cold pizza for breakfast many times. Mmmmmm.

Off the grid (somewhat), turned off cable and land line. I was the only one in the house watching 'live' TV so bought / replaced the kids and wife a cell phone and I watch TV from OTA antenna. Cable bill went from $206 to $54 keeping just 300 down / 20 up internet. I was paying an additional $140 for the wife's flip phone (no data), son's cell and my iPad data plan. So I went from $346 to $175 for 4 cells and I hotspot my iPad to any of our cells which allow 14 gig a month each for hot spot. Cost a bit to buy the phones outright but I like having the ability to fire the provider if they suck. Fence done, dog arrived (first vet bill today) and I am Jonesing for all the equipment I see for sale. Nice to see my son who was computer bound out running in the yard with his pup. Here we have a shot of a boy and his dog taking a nap on the patio

This...

Well at least you have one shoe to kick his asss with, good luck hoppin' over!

Not to complicate the discussion but you DO NOT need a digital processor/active crossover to use the 510 and 402 horns. I have the system in my avatar running the very complicated dual digital processors/crossovers setup and 5 amplifiers........Excellent in all regards. Love it. Uses 402 and 510 horns. I also have a PURE ANALOG system on the other side of the room with passive crossovers and tube preamp and amps using 402 and 510 horns as well. The ONE THING YOU MUST HAVE in this setup is an EQ. I use a DBX analog graphical EQ that can take care of EQing the 402/510 setup just fine (used on the tape monitor loop of the preamp). Roy Delgado tested this exact setup for many of us to hear in Hope. It works and it is easy to use. Saves a lot of money on processors and multiple amplifiers. It also saves money on your passive crossovers because there IS NO EQ IN THE CROSSOVER. You set the EQ yourself. I highly recommend this FIRST for those interested in the 402 and 510 horns but not yet experienced in active crossovers. My source equipment feeds both of these systems I mentioned so I can easily A/B test between them and while they do not sound exactly the same, it is hard to tell the top ends apart. Using a microphone and RTA the curves are virtually identical. In fact I used the curves from my big MCM setup to adjust the EQ on the analog system.......until they were the same. Simple to do. 20 minute job with an RTA. This setup WORKS GREAT. JWC has been over and listened to this many times. Perhaps he will comment if he sees this. I would put this setup up against anything in a room and I'm sure it would do just fine.