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These are sold folks.

Now I now how the screen name came about. Not suitable for children's ears: "Some people grow up, some people just grow."

Thanks everyone for keeping his memory alive, he truly loved the forum and all the guys on it. That is what he was doing when he died. Miss him dearly.

enough of that crap ! on to this ! the who who's next !

You could not see the sarcasm in my post. Aerosmith = first favorite band Rocks definitely first favorite record & first time I saw them. Zep is iconic and so is that particular LP to me..... Get It? ** you see that the Museum AK6 are out?

Here goes

Zep just redeemed themselves.. with presence... Glad that robert plant was in the hospital..or just out And recovering.... From a accident....

Not a problem here, My first favorite band & my first favorite record...... Nobody's Fault...... But Mine

Don't know which one i like better.. Could be a toss of a coin ... On any given day..

Josh Homme - vocals, guitar John Paul Jones - bass, keyboards Dave Grohl - drums, vocals intense attitude, good mathematical bearings from the drummer, singer is goofy but that's just his style, he wears it well. side three has a song about those lemmons before the studio of the above jam session This kind of music works sometimes, only this stuff is from the 90s not from `71 with JPJs first band

Great bass in that one Mike, and I know you know it with those LaScalas you're listening through! Went in the right side of the cabinet, found a hair band with that certain failed NYC opera singer lead, kinda Iron Maiden like guitar sound in some stuff. Haven't had them out in a while. They had a unique take on some of their thematic LPs like Operation Mindcrime. The good sound quality video I found for one of the tunes has the dam* lyrics splashing over the screen. Anyone know why some folks do this? It's infuriating, I have to put it in another tab when they do this to music.

Mornings on WUEV. Its in Evansville IN. Jazz Flight most mornings Blues on Sat. They stream online. Im listening right now. https://www.evansville.edu/wuev/

ODS, why do you keep referencing the pharmaceutical industry in this discussion? If the audio companies were as guilty of data fabrication/deletion in clinical trials, and outright fraud, as the pharmaceutical companies, the former would cease to exist. You can't be unaware of how many companies have been caught up in this (such as GSK's $3 billion settlement over false claims about Avandia safety; and what about Vioxx?). Maynard

I just wanted to show one of the places we use to go see concerts, it was a great place, a riverboat. It would sail up and down the river as the concert went on, unless it was really foggy. If it was foggy they would just pick up the ramps and stay tied to the dock but still no getting off or on. It was cheap to see a show usually between $8-$10 depending on who was playing. If you scroll down the page in the link there is a complete list of everyone who played on the President, a great place to see a show. http://jerrygarciasbrokendownpalaces.blogspot.com/2012/05/riverboat-president-spanish-wharf-new.html

I would never criticize someone else’s choice of music. Music is deeply personal. People are different. I respect that. It is not my intent to ruffle any feathers with what I’m about to say. At issue IMO is what types or recordings are more likely to highlight subtle differences in hi-fi systems. With a few exceptions, it seems to me that most of the recordings by most of the artists you listed would be “vintage recordings”. Again, I respect different peoples’ choices in music. With that said, it seems to me that: The subtle differences in amps would be more apparent when playing modern hi-res recordings, vs. vintage recordings. By “modern hi-res recordings” I mean recordings that were captured and mastered in hi-res (i.e., 24bit/192kHz PCM, or DSD), and delivered in a hi-res format (e.g., SACD, Pure Audio Blu-ray, Blu-ray, Ultra HD Blu-ray, 24bit/192kHz download, or DSD download). (In contrast Redbook CD is 16bit/44.1kHz.) FWIW, I own some older classical recordings because classical aficionados rave about the performance (e.g., Maria Callas), but the audio quality is poor by modern standards. IMO vintage recordings provide a poor basis for comparing hi-fi systems – even if these recordings have been remastered and delivered as 24bit/96kHz FLAC downloads (as is the case with Callas’ studio recordings). Garbage-in/garbage-out. You can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear - and a sow’s ear provides a poor basis for evaluating the sound quality of a hi-fi system. How can you conclude with confidence that distortion is being introduced by your hi-fi system, or if the distortion is in the recording - unless you have a top-quality state-of-the-art recording? Some music genres IME are inherently more demanding of a hi-fi system than others. For example, I have a few CDs by Eva Cassidy that sound good on almost any hi-fi configuration, because this music is not very demanding of the playback system. Tony Bennett is another example. (For example, my single-ended-pentode amp can easily handle these types of music, and sounds great doing so.) At the other extreme, a modern hi-res recording of Mahler Symphony 2 is much more demanding of the playback system. (Consider the dynamic range between the opening of the 4th and 5th movements, and consider the complexity of sound that ranges from a solo soprano to approximately 100 musicians playing fff.) IMO, a hi-fi system should excel at reproducing a folk singer (male and female) with an acoustic guitar, AND excel at reproducing a symphony orchestra. And swing with a big band. As I’ve discussed in previous posts, IMO the subtle differences in amps are more apparent for natural music such as classical, because there is a clear benchmark for sound quality (i.e., a live classical performance). We know how natural instruments (e.g., viola, clarinet) sound. If a hi-fi system makes violins sound harsh, it is immediately apparent. (OTOH, how do you tell if a deliberately distorted electric guitar sounds harsh?) And large scale orchestral music has a range of instruments that must be reproduced convincingly, including brass, woodwinds, stringed instruments, percussion, piano, organ, etc.. Which takes me back to my question: Have you performed your listening tests with modern top-quality state-of-the-art recordings (i.e., recorded, mastered, and delivered in hi-res) of music for which there is a clear benchmark for audio quality? How much demand was placed on the hi-fi system by the music you chose (e.g., simple folk music vs. large scale orchestral music)? Again, I’m not being critical of your music choices, and it is not my intent to tell anyone else what types of music to listen to. I’m just trying to understand why you can’t hear differences in amps.

Let's modify your statement here... "If there is a difference that can be heard AND it's not enough of one that really matters to you", the equipment to you is essentially the same. Then shop with your pocketbook.

Yes! The loudness control! I tried to use this control and, obvious, the sound is dramatically change! But now, after playing my music for a long time, the sound is more better also with the button "Direct Mode" actived. I have more definition in treble, more channel separation and the bass is controlled. And in the room, nothing has been change, and also the system is the same. I'm very satisfed now! The sound is more natural and equilibrated... Thank you for your support!

No 😀 I use both, a McIntosh C504 preamp with its fabulous phono section. Then in passive biamping McIntosh MC2125 in the bass for the K33E and then a beautiful Cary SLi50 of the beautiful era, 1996 for mine. I use 5U4G SED Svetlana NOS tubes, then Psvane, and finally EL34 Mullard (JJ 6CA7 on pics). The solid state provides a large and powerful bass and then the tube amp a warm and suave sound for the Klipsch horns. 😜

Spinning an eccentric album A couple of songs on this album have a similar style to a later release album - Bop Till You Drop Artist - Ry Cooder  Title - Chicken Skin Music 

Please. Don’t shut down the thread until ODS123 does his comparison of the Sony and the Mac. I really want to see ODS123 say “My McIntosh sounds exactly the same as my Sony reciever”. Isn’t it day 389 of ODS123 not damaging his speakers with water or dinging them while moving them up a flight of stairs?

Well, that explains it, I only did half of that.

But I thought so anyways..

Beautiful tribute to PWK....!!! My appreciation to all involved in this project to support the museum and PWK’s legacy..!!! miketn🙂

News One-time Opportunity Sale Of Museum Edition Klipschorn AK6-ME A RARE BEAST FULL BROCHURE DOWNLOAD CLICK HERE. In addition to the legendary acoustics and impressive upgrades already included in the AK6, the Klipsch Museum of Audio History is proud to offer a limited production of one (1) pair of unique Museum Edition Klipschorns – Numbered AK6 ME-001 and AK6 ME-002 – with official documentation verifying their provenance. HANDSOMELY APPOINTED The units are custom veneered with Black Limba (Terminalia Superba), a beautiful West African species who’s lower trunk wood yields deep, radiating markings. Often used for guitar bodies and heirloom boxes, Black Limba’s grain pattern is said to be reminiscent of sound waves. DuraCrest has been supplying Klipsch Heritage loudspeaker grilles for nearly half a century. To celebrate the creation of the Museum Edition Klipschorns they have crafted a resplendent woven licorice and chocolate cloth that expertly complements the Black Limba’s depth and hue. “We have been tasked with the responsibility of doing what we do best... building beautiful grilles for Klipsch. We are calling it Klipsch #18-45 M . 18 is for the color designation, 45 is the number of years DuraCrest has been building grilles for Klipsch, and M for Museum.” – Ralph Fortino Jr. TRULY UNIQUE Official Museum Edition plaques are affixed to the rear of each speaker enclosure – numbered and hand-signed by Roy Delgado, Jr. – PWK protégé and acoustic designer of the Klipschorn AK6. The Museum Edition Klipschorns also feature hand-matched AK6 crossover networks and drivers, personally selected by Roy. YOUR PURCHASE DIRECTLY SUPPORTS OUR CAUSE 100% of the proceeds from the sale of this exclusive pair of Klipschorn AK6 Museum Edition loudspeakers will go directly to the Klipsch Museum of Audio History, supporting its mission to proliferate the scientific principals and preserve the archives of Paul W. Klipsch. LIFETIME MUSEUM MEMBERSHIP INCLUDED Your purchase includes a lifetime Khorn Corps membership to the Klipsch Museum of Audio History. You will receive a personalized plaque for home display, your named plaque on display in the Klipsch Museum of Audio History Hall of Fame, a monogrammed logo polo shirt and invitations to members-only events held during Klipsch Pilgrimage week each year. To download the full brochure click here.

Dean, I got no beef with you and am not looking for one. But, come on, man. He's clearly stated many times he uses the McIntosh not for it's perceived superior sonic quality, rather for it's look, feel, and control qualities. My take on the "sound alike" bit in no way extends to include each and every aspect of expected day-to-day usage equality. I, for one, would not leave a stereo component hooked up which has poor volume control tracking between the channels. It would never get as far as "how does it sound otherwise?" Back in the later '70s when looking for my first sound system purchases, I saw first-hand how the HK 40 Watt/channel integrated handled itself in a far superior manner "balls out" to the 60 Watt/channel Technics (or equivalent Sansuage, Pioneer, etc.) and my choice was clear. Whether they actually sounded the same at 1 Watt/channel, closely power-matched &c. wasn't under consideration in the least to me. It didn't take very long to see that while differences in sound system capabilities are definitely clear, the costs involved in climbing the ladder quickly bring less and less return with each rung. And if a person isn't careful, they'll find themselves, if they're honest, not appreciating that piece of music really 10,000 times as much as if it were playing on a table radio with a 1/4 Watt amp running a 4" "full-range" driver in a plastic, rattling "enclosure."

It went to someone though the forum who will preserve them.

There is an audio dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the ODS123 Zone

There is that. It should probably be part of every ABX test. Especially when the test samples are small. Small, as in a one person ABX. JBL did do hearing tests, as well as determining if a person participating in their preference study was a trained listener (musician, orchestra conductor, recording engineer) or not. The variance (a statistical term) in results was smaller in the trained listener group versus the regular people who participated.

Thank you all for remembering today. Enjoying a bottle of champagne this evening right now in his honor.

This would be for those on a tight budget, or for a small second system. For $200, I think it would surprise a lot of folks. 60 wpc, 80 wpc at 4 ohms. Smart design, good parts. Two inputs and a nice attenuator. Smooth, open - but does sound better with a preamp in front of it. https://www.parts-express.com/topping-tp60-t-amp-tripath-ta2022-50wpc-(80wpc-4-ohm)-mini-amplifier--310-326

Or maybe this would be your cup of tea?: https://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649451819-klipsch-cornscala-cornwall-la-scala/

How do you stay warm? 🙂 For phono and pre I am a 12AX7 guy. VRD and KT88 guy for power. I am past the amp rolling phase of my life. If I won the lotto Ihave would try Channel Islands class D or Accuphase SS.

This is what Saul Marantz himself told me back in 1977. He was right.

Don’t buy an amp - deal with your room. And if you don’t have a subwoofer, buy two.

I need those... Just to piss the neighborhood off

I've been thinking that perhaps he is the latest incarnation of the infamous "Jim Naseum"....and I'm slightly serious.....

Speaking as a self certified expert of course.

I am so humbled by the sagacity of all you say.

You lucky son of a gun. Congrats! I am not a greedy person, so you go buy yourself something nice. I will take you old system. I'll even pick it up early to make room for your new gear! Pick a time.

Great unit and congrats on your sale.

"You better watch it son, your sentence has only just begunYou better run and join your brother John."A VISIT TO THE DOKTOR

Nothing like breaking the seal on a forty year old, never opened LP. Especially one you know well and your copy isn't the best anymore and the new one is a CBS Mastersound copy. So the seller and the market up there....lets just say north of the Mason/Dixon line must not recognize the value when I paid less for this than a new reissue costs at one of the online record shops. 6:30 left in the first period and the Hurricanes are up on Columbus 2-0!!!!! CDB: and even if you don't dig them you would appreciate the sweet, full sounds coming from this new vinyl..... had to blow off some of that extra vinyl that is sometimes on new ones.

The seller could at least include a photo to entice buyers to drive to CARO for a syrupy sweet deal.

I visited the Caro Michigan area last year to make a vehicle purchase, but I do not see these speakers necessitating my return visit any time soon. Your pricing &/or value analysis may differ. To each their own.

These are speakers of shockingly low sensitivity. To get low distortion Reference peaks (105 dB at the main listening position) in my medium sized (~~~4,200 cu. ft.) room at 13 feet away, it would take about 350 watts with a single one of those speakers. Typical speakers (~~~ 90 dB/2.83v/1M) would need about 128 watts. Klipsch fully horn loaded speakers would take about 15 watts. To produce Paul Klipsch's, "blood stirring levels of a live symphony orchestra," (115 dB for very brief transients "at your ears") each of these would need 10 times the power listed above.

Here in France, I have a SLI50 for 20 years, what a beautiful amplifier very reliable