Wirrunna Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I think this - was posted in the lounge a while ago. On careful listening after the 3 minute mark Roy talks about steep slope networks, I think he says "M Derived filter, like a 3 pole with a trap in it" which is what ALK's ES networks are. Worth a watch and a request to those attending the pilgrimage, please report how the new K Horn sounds. Do they sound "thin" at low volumes which is how ALK's ES networks are described. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Wirrunna said: "M Derived filter, like a 3 pole with a trap in it" which is what ALK's ES are. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I pray that this thread doesn't go the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, jwc said: I pray that this thread doesn't go the wrong direction. === What - ? On this Forum - ? Say it ain’t so — 🙏 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, jwc said: I pray that this thread doesn't go the wrong direction. It won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Wirrunna said: I think this - was posted in the lounge a while ago. On careful listening after the 3 minute mark Roy talks about steep slope networks, I think he says "M Derived filter, like a 3 pole with a trap in it" which is what ALK's ES networks are. Worth a watch and a request to those attending the pilgrimage, please report how the new K Horn sounds. Do they sound "thin" at low volumes which is how ALK's ES networks are described. It sounds great and the new tweeter is really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerwoodKhorns Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 On 4/12/2019 at 12:53 AM, Wirrunna said: I think this - On careful listening after the 3 minute mark Roy talks about steep slope networks, I think he says "M Derived filter, like a 3 pole with a trap in it" which is what ALK's ES networks are. This is not a good comparison. Al "politely offered" to help Klipsch design their crossovers and Klipsch decided that they already knew how to design crossovers with 60 or 70 years of experience. Al then "gracefully accepted" this decision. In summary, these crossovers should not be compared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted April 16, 2019 Klipsch Employees Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 4/14/2019 at 2:10 PM, tigerwoodKhorns said: This is not a good comparison. Al "politely offered" to help Klipsch design their crossovers and Klipsch decided that they already knew how to design crossovers with 60 or 70 years of experience. Al then "gracefully accepted" this decision. In summary, these crossovers should not be compared. lol!! yea....very politely..... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerwoodKhorns Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, Chief bonehead said: lol!! yea....very politely..... This was a long time ago, my notes might be fuzzy. I filed it under "how to land a big client" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted April 18, 2019 Klipsch Employees Share Posted April 18, 2019 What a bonehead....the guy in the video, that is. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, Chief bonehead said: What a bonehead....the guy in the video, that is. But he's OUR bonehead. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panelhead Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: What a bonehead....the guy in the video, that is. It is great to see that big smile when talking about how “lifelike” the K-Horns sound. Continue on, there are additional development advances for you to identify, refine, and implement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkytype Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Since we're talkin' Klipschorns here and Chief Bonehead's video is being discussed , I'm gonna copy and paste an earlier question posted about the Klipschorn description in the video you can scroll down to after Roy's. Hope Klipsch isn't resorting to deceptive advertising. "Kudos to Roy for a well-done video on the Klipschorn AK6. Has anyone seen the Klipschorn AK6 video? Here's a transcript of the opening narration: "The key to the Klipschorn's deep bass and high efficiency starts with its eight-foot folded horn low frequency cabinet." Say what? Has there has been a major design change to the Klipschorn's bass cabinet? My Klipschorns, which I've had new since 1979, have a bass horn mean path length of about 66"----not the "eight-foot" folded horn described in the video. Does anyone know what "eight-foot" the video refers to? " https://www.klipsch.com/products/klipschorn#product-specs Regards, Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I'm not familiar with the specifics to which you're referring, but if the "mean path length" was from the throat to the last part enclosed, and the back is now closed in, which it looks to be by about 30" or so, then 66 would pretty much be 96 now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 "Heyser measured a delay of 7.4mS on the woofer with respect to the tweeter, this suggests about a 100" effective acoustic length of the bass horn in the room, and implies an Fc of around 34hz~35hz." - DJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixspeed Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Arkytype said: Since we're talkin' Klipschorns here and Chief Bonehead's video is being discussed , I'm gonna copy and paste an earlier question posted about the Klipschorn description in the video you can scroll down to after Roy's. Hope Klipsch isn't resorting to deceptive advertising. "Kudos to Roy for a well-done video on the Klipschorn AK6. Has anyone seen the Klipschorn AK6 video? Here's a transcript of the opening narration: "The key to the Klipschorn's deep bass and high efficiency starts with its eight-foot folded horn low frequency cabinet." Say what? Has there has been a major design change to the Klipschorn's bass cabinet? My Klipschorns, which I've had new since 1979, have a bass horn mean path length of about 66"----not the "eight-foot" folded horn described in the video. Does anyone know what "eight-foot" the video refers to? " https://www.klipsch.com/products/klipschorn#product-specs Regards, Lee The KHorn now has the rear panel sealed since the 70th editions. That is likely where the extra length of the horn is coming from. They can call it whatever they want! All I know is that it sounds great! I just wish Klipsch would give 70th owners like myself a chance to upgrade to the new tweeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted April 21, 2019 Klipsch Employees Share Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Arkytype said: Since we're talkin' Klipschorns here and Chief Bonehead's video is being discussed , I'm gonna copy and paste an earlier question posted about the Klipschorn description in the video you can scroll down to after Roy's. Hope Klipsch isn't resorting to deceptive advertising. "Kudos to Roy for a well-done video on the Klipschorn AK6. Has anyone seen the Klipschorn AK6 video? Here's a transcript of the opening narration: "The key to the Klipschorn's deep bass and high efficiency starts with its eight-foot folded horn low frequency cabinet." Say what? Has there has been a major design change to the Klipschorn's bass cabinet? My Klipschorns, which I've had new since 1979, have a bass horn mean path length of about 66"----not the "eight-foot" folded horn described in the video. Does anyone know what "eight-foot" the video refers to? " https://www.klipsch.com/products/klipschorn#product-specs Regards, Lee Deceptive....😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted April 21, 2019 Klipsch Employees Share Posted April 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, Deang said: "Heyser measured a delay of 7.4mS on the woofer with respect to the tweeter, this suggests about a 100" effective acoustic length of the bass horn in the room, and implies an Fc of around 34hz~35hz." - DJK Actually it’s about 97.3765”......approximately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 That's pretty good. What are you cutting those parts on?😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: Actually it’s about 97.3765”......approximately. === close enough - for government work —🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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