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3) "351 Cleavelandswere made in Cleaveland and 351 Windsors were made in Windsor Ca..

Answer: Wrong, Cleavelands were cast in the Cleaveland Ohio Foundry, and the Windsors were cast at the Windsor Canida Foundry.

4) "The 400 M was made in Milwalkee"

Answer: wrong, The 351 M and 400 M were both cast at the Cleaveland Ohio Foundry and the Michigan Flatrock Foundry.


I have no doubt that you've got your facts right, but you really should be able to spell Cleveland, Milwaukee and Canada...

Islander,

Since you took the time to point out my spelling errors I'll let you know a few facts about old Roger.

I have a raw Intelligence Quotient that has been tested numerous times to be 148, but I was diagnosed as a child with Dyslexia and ADHD. I was on Ritalin and Dilantin as a very young age.

My hard drive is fine, but Dyslexia is an input output problem / left and right speres of the brain talking to one another.

The fact of the mater is that I.Q. is not a linear measurenment. You can never take two people with an I.Q. of 70 and get the retention factor, problem solving abillity / comprehension of a person with an I.Q. of 120 let alone the mathmatical equivelent of 140.

Let me put it to you like this. The average person has a median I.Q. of 100. Do you think that person would be better equiped on how to place their presidential electorial vote and advise a highly functioning mildly mentally retarded person on how to make a better informed descission on how to place their vote??

The fact is that I am more removed from the average mean intelect of 100, than the average person is of a highly functioning mildly retarded person, yet you would judge my intelligence by my inabillity to spelll well, and there you would be extremely wrong.

Many doctors write very illegibly to cover up the fact of poor abillity to spell.

Question, it is easy to spot Dyslexia in a highly functioning person, but if someone is at or below average, how would you recognize it and realize it is not just that they don't have alot on the ball?

Roger

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Another fun thing we do to students etc: When I have the abdomen all opened up for a hysterectomy or something, I will pull the Foley catheter balloon up higher in the bladder. I will then have them feel the balloon, which feels like a mass.

I will say, that doesn't feel right, it must be a mass or something. They will then list all of these really weird and rare things that they think it could be. They go on with this for a while. Finally let them know that it is the catheter....

Good fun.

Paul

Paul,

Without cheating and taking a look, do you remeber where the Psoas muscle is located and if so, how were you taught to remember it??

Roger

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3) "351 Cleavelandswere made in Cleaveland and 351 Windsors were made in Windsor Ca..

Answer: Wrong, Cleavelands were cast in the Cleaveland Ohio Foundry, and the Windsors were cast at the Windsor Canida Foundry.

 

4) "The 400 M was made in Milwalkee"

Answer: wrong, The 351 M and 400 M were both cast at the Cleaveland Ohio Foundry and the Michigan Flatrock Foundry.

I have no doubt that you've got your facts right, but you really should be able to spell Cleveland, Milwaukee and Canada...

 

 

 

 

 Islander,

Since you took the time to point out my spelling errors I'll let you know a few facts about old Roger.

I have a raw Intelligence Quotient that has been tested numerous times to be 148, but I was diagnosed as a child with Dyslexia and ADHD. I was on Ritalin and Dilantin as a very young age.

My hard drive is fine, but Dyslexia is an input output problem / left and right speres of the brain talking to one another.

The fact of the mater is that I.Q. is not a linear measurenment. You can never take two people with an I.Q. of 70 and get the retention factor, problem solving abillity / comprehension of a person with an I.Q. of 120 let alone the mathmatical equivelent of 140.

Let me put it to you like this. The average person has a median I.Q. of 100. Do you think that person would be better equiped on how to place their presidential electorial vote and advise a highly functioning mildly mentally retarded person on how to make a better informed descission on how to place their vote??

 The fact is that I am more removed from the average mean intelect of 100, than the average person is of a highly functioning mildly retarded person, yet you would judge my intelligence by my inabillity to spelll well, and there you would be extremely wrong.

Many doctors write very illegibly to cover up the fact of poor abillity to spell.

Question, it is easy to spot Dyslexia in a highly functioning person, but if someone is at or below average, how would you recognize it and realize it is not just that they don't have alot on the ball?

                                                                                                         Roger

Roger....

You must be my long lost twin....or close enough anyway and I empathize completely

I too suffer from ADHD , OCD, and mild dyslexia ...all with an I.Q of over 150.......My IQ was spotted early in standardized tests, checked and rechecked, but my other problems when undiagnosed until later in life.........My teachers often labeled me as lazy,troublesome, uncooperative, Some even thought that I was slow initially because of my poor spelling....then I would lecture them on advanced particle physics or quantum theory.......or once sufficiently focused, regurgitate verbatim and dissect the classic works of literature, of which the teachers barely had a working grasp.

It didn't mean that I had the social skills .......I was just a weirdo ....good thing I was big or I would have gotten an *** beating on a daily basis

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My IQ was spotted early in standardized tests, checked and rechecked, but my other problems when undiagnosed until later in life [... ] It didn't mean that I had the social skills .......I was just a weirdo ....

There seems to be more than a few of us here. Interesting. What is it about horn loudspeakers and hot rods that attracts geniuses? Was PWK into hot rods?

I was SO good at academics that people expected me to be THAT good at everything. So in situations where I wasn't so good, instead of thinking, "Well, he can't be good at everything," people thought, "Oh, he's being a pain in the @$$ ... again."

And I was just barely good enough at the social skills that nobody suspected that there was anything wrong. So in situations where the lack of REAL social skills let me down, instead of thinking, "Oh, he's just a little awkward in social situations," people thought, "Oh, he's being a pain in the @$$ ... again."

The problem continues to this day.

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Another fun thing we do to students etc: When I have the abdomen all opened up for a hysterectomy or something, I will pull the Foley catheter balloon up higher in the bladder. I will then have them feel the balloon, which feels like a mass.

I will say, that doesn't feel right, it must be a mass or something. They will then list all of these really weird and rare things that they think it could be. They go on with this for a while. Finally let them know that it is the catheter....

Good fun.

Paul

LOL..........

That is like so cool! I mean, there I am lying on the operating table all opened up and stuff and you're using my body to play a practical joke. That is SOOOOOO COOL Doc!!!!

Golly gee, gosh darn.....it is waaaaaay too bad that you're not here in my area. I'd love to have my wife go to you for surgery.

NOT!!!

I have no respect for you. There's a time & a place for everything and I don't believe surgery is the place for practical jokes. That kinda thing here where I work gets your as* fired immediately. People fly on our airplanes. People who have a wife and kids. Their lives are in our hands. I would hope you saw it that way too.

I'm gonna stop now before I say something to either get me banned or have this thread locked.

Tom

Tom who put the burr under your saddle? You have no respect for someone who can use a little levity to teach. A professional can teach by use of challenge, humor and such. No patients were harmed. (Actually a lot were probably helped by future doctors learning well what they need to know.) Do the pilots of your airplanes ever take their hands off the wheel to point at something, pick their nose or scratch something. How could I allow my wife and children to fly on an airline that does have all it's pilots keep their hands at 10 and 2 at all times!!! Mellow a little, especially about something that you have no knowlege of.

I am a pharmacist and a lot of the teaching and training that I remember the most was what was taught to me with humor and challenge. Do you think that the only terms I think of is ED everytime I dispense Viagra or Cialis. NOT.

No one put a burr under my saddle. Go back and re-read his posts. If you can't see the blatant posturing of playing practical jokes DURING SURGERY then you must be blind.

And it's amusing how you medical types come to the aid of one of your own.

For the record.....I have no problem with using humor in teaching/learning situations and I darn sure have no issue with playing practical jokes. Part of my job involves training folks on software and I use humor a lot. And in my years I've played many a practical joke. So let's just be clear that that is not the issue I have.

My issue, and I'll try and say it as plainly as I can for I'm sure you're waaaaaaay more educated than me, is that I see no justification for playing practical jokes during something as serious as surgery. PERIOD! Ask yourself this. If the family of the patient was looking on, would one be horsing around (my words not yours) or playing practical jokes?? If the answer is no, then why would one do it otherwise?

And as for the totally illogical justification of "no one was harmed".....I'm assuming you'd be ok with a car mechanic doing burnouts with your car, yes? I mean, the car wasn't damaged so what was the harm?? I guess you also subscribe to the "it ain't illegal if you don't get caught" philosophy too.

How about a better question.....just what would one say to the family if the practical joke some how went awry? Oh gee......I'm sorry I was joking around and......

As for your attempt to draw some kinda parallel to some how justify your position (defend mr. loves khorns??) with that comment about pilots taking their hands off the "wheel".....nice try. But I'll humor you by saying that yes, they take their hands off the "wheel" but only if the co-pilot has the controls or the autopilot is engaged. And even if they did, without another person on the controls or the autopilot engaged, the worst that would happen is the plane would climb, dive, or roll. However, if the owner is on board and the pilot is horsing around and causes some erratic flight condition, the pilot will most likely be fired.

Lastly, I just love how you, and others, so quickly conclude that I should "Mellow a little, especially about something that you have no knowledge of." Ohhhhhh.......I get it. Because you're a Doctor or have gone to pharmacology school or have a nursing degree or whatever, that makes you superior and all knowing and all seeing and how dare I criticize one of YOU. Bull crap. I don't give a fat rats as* what your education or career endeavor is. When I'm under the knife, I expect the surgeon to do his job and not be playing practical jokes no matter how good the intention may be. Do you not think I have the right to ask that?? And maybe that's the real point here. Does the patient have the opportunity to give permission that the surgeon can do anything they like during the surgery as long as there's no harm to the patient?? Or are folks like mr. loves khorns deciding what is appropriate behavior and what's not?

Sorry, but all I see here is arrogance - especially since you don't know me yet assume I have no knowledge of such things. I guess you'd be ok with me saying the same thing to you if you popped-off about something that I happen to be a subject matter expert about, yes? Well the difference between you & I is that I've learned NOT to say things like that to people - even when I know they're talking out their as*. For there's no value added in trying to appear to be superior. Go ahead, flame away and justify the actions all you want. I stand by my position that I don't feel playing practical jokes DURING SURGERY is appropriate behavior.

Sheesh.....once again, I violate Tom's first law.

Tom

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3) "351 Cleavelandswere made in Cleaveland and 351 Windsors were made in Windsor Ca..

Answer: Wrong, Cleavelands were cast in the Cleaveland Ohio Foundry, and the Windsors were cast at the Windsor Canida Foundry.

4) "The 400 M was made in Milwalkee"

Answer: wrong, The 351 M and 400 M were both cast at the Cleaveland Ohio Foundry and the Michigan Flatrock Foundry.


I have no doubt that you've got your facts right, but you really should be able to spell Cleveland, Milwaukee and Canada...

Islander,

Since you took the time to point out my spelling errors I'll let you know a few facts about old Roger.

I have a raw Intelligence Quotient that has been tested numerous times to be 148, but I was diagnosed as a child with Dyslexia and ADHD. I was on Ritalin and Dilantin as a very young age.

My hard drive is fine, but Dyslexia is an input output problem / left and right speres of the brain talking to one another.

The fact of the mater is that I.Q. is not a linear measurenment. You can never take two people with an I.Q. of 70 and get the retention factor, problem solving abillity / comprehension of a person with an I.Q. of 120 let alone the mathmatical equivelent of 140.

Let me put it to you like this. The average person has a median I.Q. of 100. Do you think that person would be better equiped on how to place their presidential electorial vote and advise a highly functioning mildly mentally retarded person on how to make a better informed descission on how to place their vote??

The fact is that I am more removed from the average mean intelect of 100, than the average person is of a highly functioning mildly retarded person, yet you would judge my intelligence by my inabillity to spelll well, and there you would be extremely wrong.

Many doctors write very illegibly to cover up the fact of poor abillity to spell.

Question, it is easy to spot Dyslexia in a highly functioning person, but if someone is at or below average, how would you recognize it and realize it is not just that they don't have alot on the ball?

Roger

Roger....

You must be my long lost twin....or close enough anyway and I empathize completely

I too suffer from ADHD , OCD, and mild dyslexia ...all with an I.Q of over 150.......My IQ was spotted early in standardized tests, checked and rechecked, but my other problems when undiagnosed until later in life.........My teachers often labeled me as lazy,troublesome, uncooperative, Some even thought that I was slow initially because of my poor spelling....then I would lecture them on advanced particle physics or quantum theory.......or once sufficiently focused, regurgitate verbatim and dissect the classic works of literature, of which the teachers barely had a working grasp.

It didn't mean that I had the social skills .......I was just a weirdo ....good thing I was big or I would have gotten an *** beating on a daily basis

Fenderbender,

My dad was the School Superintendant and I was the middle child I was 6"3" at 175 lbs in highschool and from 7th grade on had 16 school expulsions and 7 in school suspensions mostly for fights. Where have you been all of my life my brother!!

Roger

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Lots of things to say.

Fender, Rodger, I feel we are developmentaly, brothers all the same problems here but with a less polished set of social skills thus a few more kids ticked off with me.

My name. I like to blacksmith and I live in So. Cal... pretty simple

I just scored 8 on the test

My IQ is 141, not bragging or hanging my head in shame.

I hate fords, the best engine ever made was the 426 hemi. the most indestructable, the Chrysler slant 6

I fly light aircraft and make big ones for the government, there is NO 10 and 2 position on the yoke.

I have been accues of telling someonw how to build a watch when all they asked for was the time

I can't spell or punctuate worth a tinkers damm this is why I think spell checkers are a Godsend but are anoyed at people who use them and can't tell the difference between two words that sound alike but have two different meanings.

This post was written WITHOUT the aid of a spell checker (due to something on this boards software that scrambles info when I copy and paste) so I take no responcabality (I know I butchered that!) for such mistakes.

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3) "351 Cleavelandswere made in Cleaveland and 351 Windsors were made in Windsor Ca..

Answer: Wrong, Cleavelands were cast in the Cleaveland Ohio Foundry, and the Windsors were cast at the Windsor Canida Foundry.

4) "The 400 M was made in Milwalkee"

Answer: wrong, The 351 M and 400 M were both cast at the Cleaveland Ohio Foundry and the Michigan Flatrock Foundry.


I have no doubt that you've got your facts right, but you really should be able to spell Cleveland, Milwaukee and Canada...

Islander,

Since you took the time to point out my spelling errors I'll let you know a few facts about old Roger.

................. ................. .......................... .................... ................... ....................

I have a raw Intelligence Quotient that has been tested numerous times to be 148, but I was diagnosed as a child with Dyslexia and ADHD. I was on Ritalin and Dilantin as a very young age.

My hard drive is fine, but Dyslexia is an input output problem / left and right speres of the brain talking to one another.

Question, it is easy to spot Dyslexia in a highly functioning person, but if someone is at or below average, how would you recognize it and realize it is not just that they don't have alot on the ball?


Roger, your intelligence is not in question and I wasn't trying to come off as a smart aleck. The fact is, a lot of people nowadays don't care how they spell anything and figure anyone reading can guess at what they mean. A few posters (not you) type in stuff that's practically indecipherable.

If you've got dyslexia, it must be really aggravating at times. As well, the spellchecker on this site isn't simple to use. I haven't figured it out, anyway.

As for me, one of my quirks is that spelling mistakes stand out like they're in all caps. I can practically spot them from across the room, so for me, reading some stuff is like driving on a road that's full of potholes. The mistakes are so distracting that I have to read the sentence a couple of times to see what it means.

Once again, I understand that unable is not the same as uncaring. No offense was intended.
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As for me, one of my quirks is that spelling mistakes stand out like they're in all caps. I can practically spot them from across the room, so for me, reading some stuff is like driving on a road that's full of potholes. The mistakes are so distracting that I have to read the sentence a couple of times to see what it means.

Pat, I feel four you.

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Tom, I'm sorry you feel this way. I am not rushing to the aid of me love khorns since he needs no aid or defense. He did NOTHING WRONG. It is common practice for students to feel and identify organs and structures during surgery. Yes the patient gives permission for a student or resident to be in the surgery. It is also the standard of practice for the surgeon to identify the organs and structures to be sure that he/she preforming the procedure with out harm to the patient and to inspect for other pathology. When me loves khorns did this the patient was not put in any more risk, this is part of the procedure. This was NOT a practical joke, he was not joking around, it was teaching by challenging the student and using humor. Me loves Khorns said it was fun to TEACH in this way. Also the surgeon is the one in the operating room who gets to say what is appropriate since the out come is his/her responsibility. During major surgeries there is an assitant in the room also, another surgeon that can take over the case if there is any problem with the surgeon or if he needs help or advice.

I am not flaming you, you are the one that jumped all over me loves khorns saying that you had no respect for him.

"Sorry, but all I see here is arrogance - especially since you don't know me yet assume I have no knowledge of such things. "

You're right I don't know you, I don't know me loves khorns i just know from experience that the situation he described was not out of line, not horsing around as you stated. I don't think you can assume that. Yes I did assume that you had no or little knowledge of such things by the way that you were offended and blew it all out of proportion.

" For there's no value added in trying to appear to be superior.

No one is trying to appear superior, just trying to inform and have a light conversation until someone jumps off the deep end.

I've read a lot of you previous posts Tom I thought they were insightful and entertaining.

PS The pilot thing was SARCASM sorry you could not see the humor in that either.

Now how about going back to why people have funny login names.

Keith

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