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Evening Gang Considering all iv been drinking coffee for the last few weeks, and now on the road doing the same, this forum is my entertainment. Dont really drink much, or Gamble, however when i cant do one without the other, im Board. Currently sitting in the Bookie Lounge of the peppermill smokin a fat Maduro, man would some single Malt go good right about now. Time to hit Starbucks, im feelin Fiesty.. ....

Good Afternoon from Reno Drinking different coffee(s) all day, just after i gave the Bookie back his laptop, the wifes comes to me with a winning ticky $1300 cash out, and we walk the town, Bookie told me about a Pawn shop that has a bunch of Pcs and Laptops, got a beater with WiFi here, im on right now $60 bucks! Ok so Half the letters on the keys are almost worn off so there maybe an errant misspell coming. But at least i can Chime in daily. This Beater Laptop also ONLY works wile plugged in to an outlet, and the screen has a slight crack in the corner, (Dropped?)

I don't think two way speakers are any closer to being a single point source. However, they do have a simpler crossover and fewer drivers. In this way, they can sound more pure and direct than a three+ way speaker, all things being equal. As in all things audio, it's more about the execution of the design than the design itself. Shakey

Did Earl tell you that you have the option of stopping whenever you approach those signs? Sorry buddy just a little salt for the wound...I'm a veteran of many a ticket...including one just like you received and mine was right in front of my house. Did you ask the cop to give you Klipsch Forum Warning Points instead of a ticket?

Most of Easter weekend went okay. Dinners with LF and her two college girl relatives. Both cuties. Cooked salmon, sweet potatoes, apple crisp on the Green Egg.....zucchini fries in the oven. Bike rides, outside Jacuzzi, yard work. Then......leaving LF's house I was pulled over by HP for a rolling stop at the neighborhood stop sign that goes onto the main public highway. $238 ticket. Talked with Earl a bit about options. Don't want points Oh well....... Cheers Gents

Hope you are having a good one then one and all. Sounds like all are. Time for a quick cup for a needed toddy. Good deal there Mark! They are taking care of their patrons am thinking. Happy your wife is being rewarded. Sounds like a place to be. Painting a house awhile back, I painted 3/4's of the house and coated a tin roof, while my friend painted only the rest. Still think I got took. He bought the beer last time so, looks like he needs restock. Good job and work painting that hallstairway. Must of painted before. Love bagels. Only around midnight out west! Around 3 time zones, not counting the one they changed. Good Morning

You have probably read about Derrick Tate's accident which also involved his family. If you wish to help, I am posting his PayPal address. You have all been very generous in the past. Thank you for considering Rick's son and family. Mrdltate@gmail.com

Mornin' kids! 1rst cup, workout and commute complete. Sippin' from the travel mug at the office (still a member of the working class, unfortunately). Should be a fine day with a high of 64, despite the threat of the impending final "winter storm" of the season, as the news reports. Only in SoCal does the mere chance of some form of precipitation, which is usually little more than a mist, make headline news.

Think of how many cables and how much coffee you could buy with that..

Sounds like a similar menu ... we did cedar planked salmon with a dijon based glaze. Sorry about the ticket. Main thing is avoid the points and the insurance company rate hikes that result from them. Maybe they'll make a deal if your driving record is clean. Hope so. Have a good Monday, guys.

Morning all. Had a great day yesterday but ate/drank way too much. Crawfish were incredible as well as all the sides. The weather wasn't all that great but there was plenty of cover. Looking forward to only working 2 1/2 days this week and heading to Tyler, then Hope by Friday. I need to give my liver a break between now and then. There'll be substantial drinking going on in Hope but I've been training hard for it and feel up to the challenge. Can't wait to see everyone that's coming.

I would just like to point out that bass is not the only criteria one should use when judging speakers. That is all. Shakey

Attitude is everything. When i lived in Michigan there was this middle-aged guy that had some sort of developmental disability…he could still get around and do minor things for himself; but, you could tell that he had some issue. He went to the church I attended. He was unkempt, dressed in baggy pants and t-shirts. One day, the pastor and deacons pitched in and bought him new clothes…nice slacks, button up shirts and belt. When they gave them to him he was so excited, saying how great great this was because he knew somebody that needed some new clothes. The guy never once considered that the stuff was for him and only thought about someone else he knew that was in need. Not 100% applicable here; but, just making my point that attitude is key. Keep looking for the silver lining guys.

Isn't there grad school housing at St. Louis? I went back to Law School when I was way over 25 and lived in Graduate housing with my wife and 4 year old. There were undergrads there who were "older" as well. At 25 I believe you are an "emancipated" student, meaning it is only your income (and not a parents income or assets) which are used for financial aid. Maybe this is not a help, but most financial aid offices take into account extraordinary events. I believe that there are deferrals for such circumstances for federal loans. Maybe St. Louis isn't the right place. Only you know that. I went back to undergrad school at 24 so I know it isn't easy, and you can feel out of place. I did. However, it was more than worth it. I respect you for helping your mother. It is a sign of true character and will serve you well during your life. With respect to your mother's disability claims, I of course do not know the details and am not asking. However, if she is permanently and totally disabled, she is entitled to social security disability benefits. It is VERY common to be denied at the first step. You may want to see a lawyer. They cannot charge you unless they win the case, and I believe that their fee is capped at about $7,000 paid from the proceeds of the claim (I think this is right). Be careful because this is an area of the law where attorneys survive on volume. Interview a few and ask if any former clients would agree to speak with you. There are also non-attorney representatives who are allowed to practice in this area. They are usually ex-Social Security Administration reps. I am an employment attorney, but this is not an area in which I practice, nor do I know any employment attorneys who do practice in this area. I have represented two friends before SS. who had severe disabilities so I have some understanding of the law in this area. I would be happy to answer questions to the extent that I can and help you think through this. I will pm you my cell number. Earl

My son and I have always enjoyed the Fast & Furious movies so last night, I took him and a friend to see Furious 7. I have never seen a movie in IMAX so I figured this might be the perfect opportunity to see what IMAX was about. When we first walked into the theater, I wasn't sure what to expect. I thought it might be like the dome shaped screen at MOSI (Museum of Science and Industry). To my surprise, it was a huge 16:9 format screen. The screen didn't look ridiculously huge like I expected but then I realized it was considerably larger since it was a much larger room to begin with and it was wall to wall screen. One of my Adult Leaders at my church recommended me sitting on the back row (that wasn't happening) due to the screen being too large to view. I ended up sitting in the middle of the theater where I usually sat. Another thing that surprised me was there were no visible speakers. I wasn't sure what to think of this since there were curtains on the wall. I wondered if the curtains would "taint" the sound quality. The previews looked pretty grainy and sometimes even pixelated but I figured that may be due to the fact that if they were standard 1080p shooting on a IMAX projector, they might just be getting stretched. No biggie. So the lights dim and the "IMAX Demo" begins. Ok...I'm smiling. Although they didn't use masking for top and bottom, the grey bars faded once the movie began. Image quality is superb and the sound is better than I have ever heard in that Movie Theater! Visually and Audibly, it was a great experience. The movie itself was fantastic! The action sequences were powerful, creative and fresh. Sometimes you would have two action sequences going on at the same time so there was no down time. The sound was crystal clear with bass that was felt. Visually, the IMAX was beautiful. Tons of detail, clarity and the colors were vibrant. I think it's safe to say that the IMAX has spoiled me just like Bluray spoiled me over Standard DVD. Not sure I'll do IMAX for every movie, but for the big ones like the upcoming Avengers: Age of Ultron, I'll very likely be hitting the IMAX again. If you haven't seen Furious 7, I would highly recommend it. I've always been a fan of Vin Diesel and The Rock. Jason Statham did a great job as the villain. Overall lots of laughs, great characters, fast cars, lots of explosions and a heart felt tribute to the late Paul Walker.

I'm gonna be pissed if you just gave away the ending of the movie

Tickets suck, a rolling stop in a subdivision, but with everyone driving talking and texting, they will just look the other way. Came up to a red light the other day and in the next lane they just drove on through as they stared at a phone, just luck no one was crossing.

I agree with this. There was a thread topic on the forum somewhere that stated, “We live in the midrange.” I’m not sure if that quote is a PWK original quote, but I’ve heard it used a lot. What "we live in the midrange" means to me is that the “backbone” of any full range speaker is probably related to getting the mid-bass and mid-frequencies right. If this band is not right, the rest is probably irrelevant until the backbone is fixed.

$238.00 for a rolling stop, ouch! Seems a bit high. Hopefully you get an easier/cheaper solution.

Sorry to hear that Chuck. Is defensive driving a possibility?

Our "not so meager" offerings this Easter. Slow cooked brisket, elote, roasted potatoes and carrots with garlic and spring onion, the requisite deviled eggs, and fresh herb salad with beets and tomatoes. Dessert (not pictured) was a light Angel Food Cake with crushed pineapples (baked inside) and whipped cream. Thanks to Mrs. Boxx for making this Easter meal fabulous. We make a great team.

Go Mark Go lol lol MKP :-)

Don't spend a fortune: get a sub cable from Parts Express.com or Monoprice.

That's "The Placebo Effect". If you were to strip the jacket off of a "subwoofer cable" and compare it to these other cables that you can use, then you'd find that they are pretty much identical inside. Consider this: you can use plain old lamp cord (the power cord for lamps) as speaker wire because the term "sound signal" is just a simpler way of saying "electricity that gets sent to the speakers and vibrates the drivers in those speakers for the purpose of vibrating the air so that we can hear it as sound". So, it's not that sound is being sent through the speaker wires or subwoofer cables, it's that electricity is being passed through them. This is why you can use a USB port to do different things, like provide sound to a device or to recharge a device. The only difference is how that electricity is used by whatever is "requesting" it. So, just like MonoPrice is saying in that FAQ section that I asked you to read, calling a cable "a subwoofer cable" is marketing hype. It's bait. They want you to buy their cable so that you don't give your money to someone else selling the exact same type of cable under it's TRUE name, which is far more complex than just "a subwoofer cable". Again, this is a subwoofer cable: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023601&p_id=619&seq=1&format=2 As you can see though, it's not just for subwoofers. If you were to buy "a subwoofer cable", then you'd be getting this exact same type of cable. You could use it for all the same things as this cable. Actually, if you were to buy "a subwoofer cable", then it would probably look more like this just to fool all potential customers: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023603&p_id=2680&seq=1&format=2 (be sure to scroll down and read the questions and answers this time, wink wink) I mean, look at the difference. Which one would you rather have? Knowing what you know now though, I am hoping that you would rather have the first one because there's no additional benefits other than maybe the cable lasting longer in harsher climates and harsher setups. Most people though would say that the second one here is far better because of its looks. It's thicker and has better connectors. Yet, about 99% of people will not get an audible difference between these two unless we're talking about extremely long cable runs. Even then, it might still be difficult to hear a difference. So yeah, please don't allow manufacturers to fool you with their lies. Don't allow the fooled customers to fool you because any differences they think they are hearing are simply due to The Placebo Effect. I mean, think about it: they can see the difference in the cables. Right? They can SEE IT. Therefore, they will automatically assume that the audio quality will different and that actually changes how you listen to the sound. Try this for yourself: buy a super expensive very high-end super high-quality cable and and also buy the worst one that you can find. Now, have someone swap these back and forth on you while you have your eyes closed. Tell them to make sure you can't predict which one they are using. Now, try to guess which cable they have connected to your system after 10 or 20 different tries. I'll tell you how accurate you will be: you will get it right approximately 50% of the time because you won't be able to hear a difference. After this, now do it yourself so that you know which cable it is each time you swap. This time, you will always think that the more expensive cable sounds better because of The Placebo Effect. We humans will believe almost anything, and we even have the power to make something seem to be absolutely true due to how strongly we believe it to be true. Here's something that I had to do in order to avoid The Placebo Effect. After buying the ProMedia 2.1 system, I was having a tough time deciding between having the satellite speaker grills on or off. On one hand, I like them on because of the cool black and gold logo on the grills. On the other hand, I want them off because I enjoy being able to see the woofers and the tweeters. So, I decided instead to see if I could hear a difference. Therefore, I closed my eyes and kept removing and putting the grills back on over and over and over and over. After a few times, I began to notice that I could hear a clearer sound with the grills off. Again, I was keeping my eyes closed in order to avoid being influenced by the LOOK of my satellites. Here's another placebo effect in action. I needed an adapter that allows me to plug the 3.5mm plug into the stereo RCA jacks on my sound card. Instead of just getting the cheapest adapter I could find, I went with this: http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021815&p_id=5612&seq=1&format=2 Talk about overkill. LOL The only thing I'm using this for is the super weak, unamplified electrical signal that's going from my sound card to the speakers. However, I enjoy looking at it. It makes me feel good, and it makes me think that my sound is a little better when the reality is, I'm not getting any audible benefit from using this instead of some cheap generic cable. So yeah, as long as the cable can bring the signal to your subwoofer without harming that signal, it will work. That means, it doesn't have to be advertised as "a subwoofer cable". In reality, there is no such thing as "a subwoofer cable". It's really just a coaxial cable! Hell, you could take your cable TV cable and put these RCA-style plugs on the ends and you'd get the exact same results in sound out of your subwoofer. That's why MonoPrice.com doesn't have a special section for "Subwoofer Cables". They don't really truly exist. What you use the cable for determines what you can call it. Notice the different uses for this type of cable: "S/PDIF, Digital Coax, Subwoofer and Composite Video". You could use a cable that's being sold as "a subwoofer cable" for the same things because iit's really the same. I apologize for the length, but I just want to make absolutely sure that you are no longer being fooled by the clever marketing tricks of some of these manufacturers and stores.

Michael, Bill (^) said it briefly, and well. And, indeed, trials are never fun or easy, and we want them over as quickly as possible. Simply . . . GO AWAY! But, while God does not promise life without trials and pain (in fact promises trials and pain), He also promises to use them for the long-term good of others and you--if you will trust, and let Him. I will pray for you and your circumstances; I also am thinking about an idea that may be helpful. Jim

Thanks,The coffee was bold and rich, but nicely rounded. I may have a new coffee I like.

NICE....Mark...lol lol MKP:-)

A few shots from the Tuscaloosa Airshow this weekend featuring the Blue Angels.

On 22 March, a Delphi Automotive autonomous Audi Q5 will leave San Francisco to head for New York. No spinning lidar and such...looks like any other car. The doubters should consider that the first cross country automobile trip was in 1903 when few Americans had ever seen a car and not 1 in a 1000 would have believed they'd own one and the streets would be full of them in 10 years. That 1903 trip was, IMHO, a much great technological feat that this will be. Delphi predicts that the equipment to make a car autonomous will be 5k by 2019, a pretty small price to pay for "insurance" that will reduce you chance of death or injury by at least 90%. Speaking of insurance...one would predict that, given the huge reduction in accidents under autonomy, insurers will begin to reduce rates by monitoring when a vehicle is under autonomous or manual control with a 90% reduction in premium for time spent in autonomy. That will encourage adoption. One they are entirely autonomous the premiums will be almost negligible. In fact, a case will eventually come saying it's absurd to hold an owner responsible for something over which he has no control. Things are changing FAST! Dave

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I have listened to lots of smaller speakers and like them but you cannot keep distortion low at high levels with them and they lack dynamics. Different size drivers sound different I agree. My favorite compromise happens to be a ten (a lot of bass players love tens too). The higher crossover point is to protect the tweeter drivers and is a compromise as far as bass quality goes but not a huge one. For quality bass a lower crossover is preferred in fact this (with suitable mid driver) will result in improved low male vocal range. This is why with full size horn loaded rigs you will find horn running from 60 - 80 Hz up. I am sorry but you are very much wrong the rule applies always will apply it would be physically impossible not to. Steeper crossover slopes likely have more to do with it than you suspect in the RF series compared to the KLF. The differences in frequency response is not an issue here. Mid and Hi frequency balance have a lot to do with perceived bass quality. Did you ever swap out the poly tweeter diaphragms in your KLF30 for Bob's titanium diaphragms or even for a set of phenolic diaphragms? I too prefer a good two way over a good three way. That having been said I would not choose an RF3 tweeter horn over the horns in a KLF30 provided they were running titanium diaphragms. This whole thing might be a combination of things for you and driver size as I spoke about could well be a part of your preference. Some times though designers do special things. I have a set of JBL L200B which are two ways with a single fifteen inch and a trumpet horn loaded comp driver they can and do make magic happen when you listen to them so there are exceptions. I hope that you like your new speakers but if not there are so many more to own and enjoy while you are on your journey toward finding the right ones for you. Best regards Moray James.

I am enjoying following this thread. etc 6849, how do things sound in the room and your overall impression of the Palladiums?

That's basically second harmonic distortion that you're looking at. I pay more attention to the third and higher harmonics myself. However, that's not to say that any harmonic distortion is good--it's not, since any harmonic distortion also contributes to modulation distortion products on the lower sidebands, and to the overall muddiness/opaqueness of the sound stage. I've attached a FR+distortion plot of my right Jub plus the TH subs, microphone at 1 metre from the front of the Jub centered between the bass bin and the K-402, looking up at approximately 20 degree angle. Note that nearfield effects on bass measurements and floor, ceiling, and sidewall bounce cancellations of the recorded response are present:

???????????..........Last post lost me totally...

IMAX is in a different league from conventional movie film, in terms of resolution and technical demands. Normal 35mm movie film has a horizontal resolution of six thousand lines (6K), but 70mm IMAX film has a horizontal resolution of 18 thousand lines (18K). Those numbers are approximate. The film is 65mm wide, but the format is called 70mm. More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX Sound-wise, 6 channels was the part of the basic format from the start.

Don't know what to say that hasn't been said already, but wanted to add good luck and never give up. Things work out, they always do.

as long as that photo wasn’t “actual size” you’ll be fine.

I have Netflix and Blurays. The same movie on Netflix is lower quality in the dynamic range. I like having Netflix's for the convience.

just a question in your second last picture above it looks (to me any way) that the two braces (vertical) per side are cut away from the side and do not brace the side panels only butt up against the sides at the top and the bottom of the box. Why would you miss the opportunity to brace the sides? Ha you turned these verticals 180 degrees they would have provided much needed side wall bracing though the chamfre weakens the piece as a brace, you need width to make a strong rigid brace. If I am mistaken I apologize in advance.

Keep your chin up Dude. Karma is real and what comes around goes around. Keep that in mind thru your daily tasks and thoughts and you will be a better man for it. If you do good; good will come to you. Those that go around cheating people might seem to win the short term battle, but they never win the war. That old saying about peaks and valleys is true as well. You have to go thru the valleys before you reach the peaks. It wont be the last time your tested, and its how you react to these situations that define who you really are. Happy Easter buddy. I enjoy your company on this Forum and hope all "gets fixed" soon.

I am surprised that you did not build a Jubilee rather than the jamboree -There are plans for the Jamboree, and some folks think it is better than the Jubilee. Plus, there are no real plans for the Jub, except at Klipsch. Dana's designs are good, even if he may have borrowed heavily from others work.

Happy Easter everyone!! Have a wonderful day.

A little progress pic from above. Just waiting for the paint to dry, so I can see what I need to touch up.

Jason, It is easier to remember if you know what the initials stand for. They called the MCM 1900 "The Montengator" If you look up the word Montengator, it is a mythical creature, a large Alligator with 2 heads, one at each end and the beast is eternally pissed off because it cannot take a crap. The first letter in each piece is the letter "M", and that stands for Motengator! In the case of the MWM Bass bin, it stands for "Motengator Woofer Module!" Does it make more sense to you now? Roger

How about this using RF-82II as mains, (2) RC-62II for centers,

Thanks Steve. I am happy but a bit of a perfectionist. The insight I received from Max2 may up the performance to another level. Also by showing a picture of their placement other members with similar placement may be able to offer some insight. Ahh a perfectionist! Then you'll want to rip down that wall molding, move that radiator and raise that ceiling (if 8 foot) and get those speakers tight against the corners and walls. But you knew that already. I am envious of the width and the length of the room you have them in. Can I ask what year those are? Perhaps they could benefit from a capacitor replacement? Anything more than about 20 years and those caps are drying out. How loud do you listen? Some of the networks that the guys make on here might be something to look into depending on your listening levels (extreme slope) and what you thing needs to be changed - such as too much midrange or treble, etc.... carpeting in front of the speakers helps to absorb some of the higher frequencies. Long story short you've come to the right place if you want suggestions about how to make your Klipschorns sound as good as they were made to sound. Everyone on this site is extremely helpful and very pleasant to deal with. Hi Steve! The ceilings are high...12 feet...sunken drawing room. The Klipschorns serial numbers are 1B912 making them 1963. The original crossovers are in a box. The new crossovers are ALK Klipsch duplicates. The speakers have received a gentle restoration so they are very original and sound magnificent. All the original stickers are still in place as well. They replace vintage Bozak B4000 Symphony speakers that have gone out for restoration. The amp is a McIntosh MC2105 ,preamp McIntosh C22, tuner is a MR71, Turn table is a Thorens TD320 and the CD player a Simaudio Moon Nova. The advice and generosity here is great. Best, André