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I was digging through the stacks, and came across this jewel of a reissue. I forgot I bought it. I had to replace my original, it was used hard and put away wet... Pink Floyd - Saucerful of Secrets Remastered 2016.

Brian May? Queen? One of @Emile's favorite dudes??? "Another World" is a re-release of his second solo album from 1998 on 180g. Some great tunes and it's Brian May. What more could you ask for? 😎 It's really not to shabby of a listen!

Thank you! I've been biting my keyboard fingers watching this thread play out. What "sounds better" to any one person is purely subjective and dependent on too many variables to list, not the least of which is personal taste.

Last one for the night. David Gilmour. 1978

I loved this record when it came out. It's remarkably well recorded. Rogers Waters - Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking. 1984

Good day, I do my best to tell my story as clearly as possible, but I'm Dutch and English ain't my native language. My apologies if I am formulating strange sentences or misusing words. I would like to share my personal story/short review and opinion about the Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4 I also hope to initiate a conversation where Cornwall listeners and interested parties share their experience and opinion. I think it's nice to read each other's opinions and experiences, but maybe this can also be informative for others. To my great frustration, I could hardly find any information about the Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4. A listening demo at the dealer was possible, but there I listen to a different audio set in a different room with different acoustics. Also, an A/B comparison between the Cornwall 3 and the 4 is not possible. So any information I could find was welcome... And this was very disappointing. A little bit of information about my situation: I am a lover of the Heritage sound. Have also owned a number of Heritage speakers and now own the Cornwall 4. I don't have much experience and knowledge in the audio field and have almost only listened to Klipsch speakers. Read my experience and opinion as a great enthusiast, but nothing more than that. As equipment I have a tube amplifier, the Dynaco ST70 with El34, the NAS 1000s as a preamplifier and the Cambridge Cxn V2 as a streamer (Tidal) Listening room is a living room of 12m x 5.5m where the speakers are placed on the long wall. While impressed with the Chorus 1 I owned at the time, I was looking for more and decided to give the Heritage 4 a shot. After a listening demo at a very good hi-fi shop, I was impressed by the CW4 and Forte4. In this demo I found the Forte4 only the winner. The CW4 sounded bigger, more open, but also quite boomy. Maybe because I was used to the Chorus, which has very little bass. Maybe because of the acoustics or because of the equipment that was used. I don't know, but on this demo, the Forte 4 won me over due to the dominant bass of the CW4. But my interest was triggered in the Heritage 4 line. By pure chance I came into contact with a man who had a nice set of CW3 and wanted to sell it. I was able to buy them for a very reasonable amount and so the Chorus 1 went into the corner of the living room and the CW3 was now set up. Perhaps this speaker was enough of an upgrade for me and a heritage 4 speaker set was not even necessary. It took me a while to get used to the CW3. The basses were much fuller and more present. The CW3 could also sound quite boomy at times. The midrange seemed a bit smaller than with the Chorus 1. But overall I thought it was an upgrade compared to the Chorus. It sounded more like a full range speaker, only the bass was sometimes a bit too fat and I had the idea that the midrange was smaller and less open. (I have never checked with an A/B test whether this is correct) After a period of getting used to, I can only say that I really liked the sound of the CW3. Maybe not perfect, but I could really enjoy the sound that the speakers produced. Still, the CW4 continued to itch. All reviews are so very positive about this speaker. I couldn't find any negative opinion or experience anywhere. So yes.. I remained greedy for more. More of all this fine and good.. So the need to try the CW4 still remained alive. After owning the CW3 for a few weeks, I was offered a nice deal from another hi-fi dealer. There I got a listening demo and I could listen to the CW4 for the second time. This time I brought my own amplifier. Again the CW4 sounded different than expected. The bass was fine now, but I thought the sound was a bit duller than the CW3 I had at home. Again no idea what caused this, acoustics, his tube preamp or his streamer. But if I were to judge purely on my impression of this demo, I wouldn't have bought the CW4. However, because of all the rave reviews I read, and also because I spoke to someone on facebook who had made the upgrade from the CW3 to CW4 and was very positive about it, and because there was also a bit of greed played with it, I took the gamble and i bought them. I had hooked up and positioned the CW4 exactly as I had done with the CW3. 3 meters between the speakers, listening position 3.5 meters from the speakers. Towed the speakers in so they are facing me and removed the grill. The first thing I noticed was a clear sound. The small details were more audible. And the midrange seemed a bit bigger. Until it was really time to go to sleep I listened to music, which amounts to about 10 hours of listening to music. My first findings are therefore based on speakers and my ears that probably still need to break in. I hear some say 200 hours, 50 hours, and others say that breaking in speakers is bullshit. I have no idea who is saying the right thing, time will tell. After two days of listening, these are my first findings: -the CW4 seems to have a larger midrange -the CW4 shows more detail (I'm sure of this) -the sound seems a bit clearer with the CW4 - the bass is significantly less. The CW3 could sometimes sound a bit boomy and there I sometimes wanted to turn the bass back with the tone control. With the CW4 this is the opposite, I have now turned up the bass by +1/+2. - the bass seems a bit tighter from the CW4 and I think I hear a bit more detail. -overall the sound of the CW4 seems a bit more analytical a bit more "audiophile" - the speaker looks really nice. I really like it a lot better than the CW3 -I can't get used to the new grill of the CW4. And that's because of the color. There is a kind of yellowish bronze glow over the grill which I don't like matching with that chic walnut veneer. Plain black or silver/iron look would have been much nicer. Unfortunately.. -the CW3 seems a bit warmer in the sound, a bit more easy to listen to. -the CW3 sometimes seems a bit more airy in the midrange, playing the music with a little more ease. I find this a bit more difficult to describe. But this is something that always struck me with the CW3.. The ease with which some instruments were reproduced. It sounded very light and detailed. The CW4 also does this with a lot of detail and dynamics, but I miss the ease in it.. The airy sound. (maybe because they need some more break in time, who knows) Based on my first impression, is the CW4 the better speaker? I do think that the sound is different/improved on a number of points compared to the CW3. Whether it's the speaker that still needs to break in, or my ears that still have to get used to it, I don't know. But the CW3 definitely contains something in the sound, warmth..a certain ease and emotion which I don't hear in the CW4 yet and which I really liked with the CW3. So far my very first impression after two days of listening to the CW4. I know that things can still change and there is also a good chance that I will come back to my previous findings. My intention is to update this topic later and share my thoughts on the CW4 again. I'd also like to share a bit of text from a conversation I had with someone who thought their CW3 sounded better than the CW4. I find it so striking because for me this was the first and only person I heard talk less positive about the CW4 and even thought the CW3 sounded better and so did his friend. His friend also changed his CW4 for a CW3. Now that I own the CW4 myself and can compare the 3 with the 4, I recognize some comments and I understand better why the CW4 might not be a better speaker for everyone. my personal findings are still the same, my general impression of cornwall III is that it sounds more open and fuller than the cornwall IV, maybe the cornwall IV goes a bit more in detail, but when it comes to live music, the cornwall III gives you the feeling that you are in the middle of it .it just makes me smile... it's something strange...if you've never heard or had cornwall and you hear or buy cornwall IV then you think wow I'm never getting rid of this one! and then you really don't think after that I'm going to cornwall III because the general trend is loudspeakers are getting better and better... but if you've had the cornwall III first, and then you hear or buy cornwall IV, Then it can be positive or perhaps disappointing , because they sound different...and cornwall III sounds better to me. but who am I ... tastes differ, opinions differ, listening and comparing yourself is still the best, chances are you will be disappointed if you go from III to IV! I personally would never trade my III for an IV. meanwhile my friend has exchanged his IV for a III and is very happy!

Didn't hesitate pulling the trigger on this one and you shouldn't either. The "Groundhogs" you say? Well h3ck yea! Th Groundhogs are an English blues and rock band[1] founded in late 1963, that toured extensively in the 1960s, achieved prominence in the early 1970s and continued sporadically into the 21st century. Tony McPhee (guitar and vocals) is the sole constant member of the group, which has gone through many personnel changes but usually records and performs as a power trio. Tony walked right into just about anything he wanted to do. Crazy good lp from someone ya prolly never heard of. When it dropped I did a double take and had to think. Not for long though. 'Hogwash" was released in late 1972 and has that pysch/rock touch and is just great! McPhee continued playing with about anyone he wanted to. Rory Gallagher gigs, then fronted for the Stones @ Jagger's request, which is where I heard them. Not slouches by any means! @KROCK ya better jump while ya can cause it'll give you a taste of that old synth & mellotron M400 twisted, ever so sweet into the mix on the double lp in a 3-gatefold. It cooks! My buddy sat here and was takin the ride in no time. Trust me they'll be gone! Here's a taste! It's a great lp!

Drinki´n a Klipsch ? You´re a real Klipsch Hardliner 😂

Absolutely not! And this is because the room contributes about 75% of the sound you hear. So two identical speakers in different rooms would sound like two entirely different speakers. Oh you might notice the family resemblance, but you'd never be able to reliably say which one is better, only which one you prefer. And that is likely because it's in the better room.

I’ve found that the only way I can reliably compare good speakers , is to listen to them at home , in my listening room ,for several days or longer . If I’m listening to a real dog, well those are easy to detect at the audio store , I can eliminate those immediately , but deciding on the merits of one great speaker from another , for me that takes some time , and after I’ve decided which speaker does various things better or worse than the other , then its time to figure out which one is more enjoyable to listen to.

Thinking it's about time to post a few. Grass seed is down and popping up quite nicely. Looking stellar so after the front I THOUGHT was thru yesterday I decided to spray for some of the weeds that popped up. Done and won til some of the front dropped down and washed it all off last evening. Yup, poured rain. So rinse and repeat today. THEN I'm gonna start throwin stuff on the table. The stack is high so buckle up. lol Tried this one on for size and was a bit worried about her renditions & selections. Left me w/mixed emotions. The group she played with covered everything well and she did her thang. Some great stuff and some that left me a lil disappointed and going "duh" why did she even try to do that song. I mean Plant is Plant and we all know what he did for the group. I have to give her credit though she NAILED some of the tracks.

This is only because of the recent burst of youtube reviews coinciding at the same time the CWIV's were introduced. Why would Klipsch send any of these channels CWIII's or II's for that matter when they are trying to market the IV's? It's simply because there is no money in anything old to generate YouTube subscribers. The YouTuber's know people are only interested in new gear so that's all they review. People forget that Klipsch is a business now with a big marketing agenda. The new Khorn's with their closed backs have not gotten good reviews compared to the previous models. Klipsch has tried to claim they don't have to be in the corners. Many of the people who claim the newer models are better are not doing real side by side comparisons. Instead they just go online claiming everything newer is better. I work in the telescope industry. I've probably reviewed more telescopes than anyone in the world. I've been doing it for 30 years. The same nonsense happens in the telescope industry so I can easily tell when people are just being marketed. I don't mind newer things, but when people make claims without doing some real side by sides, it gets a bit difficult to swallow and I'm amazed at how easily people believe everything they're told.

Sorry to see that horn mangled the way it is. Though it does remind me of something. The Hogwarts Sorting hat. Gryfndorf.

@Dave1291 ^^^^^^^^ Great ! Cobham is a nother one

I'll just let this marinate for a bit... Enjoy!

Cool George:

He never produces low audio quality , didn´t know this one , have to check it out

Retipping your Benz Micro Glider shouldn´t be a problem

I really love this mongolian Dark Metal Group

Where's the "holy f...!" emoji on this thing?

If “coheres” into a single source means each speaker blending into a center single source or ghost center, I agree. Positioned properly my “underground” Jubes have done this trick for years. Pulled out from front wall and toed as to cross Behind my seated listening position does this is my room.

The internet ( or at least this forum ) is funny that way. Orwell warned us of this....

The heels of my bare feet got a massage sitting on the sub just now playing "Autobahn"! I see Gilmore popping up a lot recently, this was the only one I had of him solo for a long time. A good promo. *Out of the Blue is poignant hearing it this time.

What it boils down to is both are extremely excellent sounding speakers. Personal taste comes into play. A big factor in how a speaker is going to sound is the room they operate in. We all have different listening rooms.

On to side two... Psychedelic 🤪

Received the new replacement needle for the Osawa 301 Cartridge today. The previous needle was already pretty round. It's no wonder since I had the Osawa 301 already very many years in use. I am also waiting for the new Shibata needle for my Audio Technica 20SLA. This is also driven round

These are not mine. Seller may or may not ship. Too far for me again. 😐 Klipch RB 5 II Bookshelf Speakers (Pair) - Speakers & Subwoofers - Roxborough Park, Colorado | Facebook Marketplace | Facebook

We're talking about subjective differences here. Are you claiming that I need to prove statistical significance when I say that I prefer strawberry ice cream to chocolate? No? Then why here? While double-blind tests with controls are appropriate for determination of whether a difference exists, they are not appropriate for preferences. If people preferred the CW4 because it was "prettier", then so be it. One doesn't have to justify one's preference.

Naturally, another great show from Cleveland. I have NEVER seen a bad show in Cleveland. It's family up there with every artist that rolls into town. I even made a guest walk thru! No autographs please! hahaha Priceless! 😂 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3zlRdksakI Didn't click the link? You cra-cra??? Hit it and relax!

Because I care about this hobby and I hate seeing it held back by a widespread disregard for validity testing.

I’ll be the contrarian here - I have had nothing but good luck with FedEx over the many years I’ve been in the hobby. For me, it is my carrier of choice and has always delivered the quickest - . Luck o’ the draw?

Yes the Cornwalls have come along ways. The 4 has been reviewed quite alot online. At a Klipsch listening event, all as can recall came away with a new appreciation for the 4. Klipsch likely rely on users to suss out subtle nuances. Yes, I'm all over...lol

LOL! Yeah. My wife ordered some mexican ceramic cassarole dishes. They were delivered FedEx. The delivery guy thru them up on the porch when he delivered. I heard the thud. They were broken in a 100 pieces. It seems FedEx would train their drivers better. They must have had enough complaints by now.

Yes and the CW4 was much better for my tastes. No boomy box sound just great fidelity. Side by side the CW4 was clearly a large step up. Same room same amp same seating so a true side by side comparison.

Its not a volume issue with loud music playback levels but a case of certain recordings that have the required frequency/energy in that part of the spectrum to excite the acoustical cabinet resonance. This is similar to how room modes can be excited by some recordings and not by others due to the frequency/energy spectrum of the recordings. miketn

Nice pic!! I need to do the same with my Benz. I wish I had a dollar for every record that stylus has played...

that can be a little cool. We call it cool. It feels down right cold after the temp plummets from 100` to that during the summer rain/s...

I think it can indeed drive you crazy, you are going to spend a lot of money on new speakers but it is very difficult to make a good comparison. If after purchase it turns out that something in the sound is disappointing, it can seriously ruin your listening pleasure.

Never hearing them side by side in a true a/b with all things being equal just makes your post/opinion somewhat less valuable than someone who has. Don’t mean any disrespect but until you do, it’s just conjecture. and as for the rest that you typed, again just conjecture as you really don’t know. I recently heard a 54 khorn and realized how amazing it sounded. But that doesn’t negate the stuff mr K and I have done to get to the AK6.

told ya

What someone can hear depends on the individual. Nelson Pass had a tester of his amplifiers that could distinguish the difference between a negative going 2nd harmonic and a positive going 2nd harmonic. He tested the hearing of this individual many a times even giving him 2 of the same amplifiers wanting him to compare the two. He came back a few days, weeks, later saying he could not hear any difference. Very few individuals could pass such a test. I am reluctant to say what any individual can hear unless they are just ridiculous. A K-horn from the 60's is not going to sound bad and many may even prefer it over a more modern one. Same with a Cornwall. The Heritage line are the ones most frequently mentioned on this forum when the bulk of sales of Klipsch speakers are not Heritage. Most will be perfectly happy with the other offerings from Klipsch. When talking of the Heritage line on a forum it really is nitpicking saying one is better then another when all sound outstanding.

Which model do you have, is it one of the original 19" versions? Signature or standard? 5 channel or 7? How long have you owned it? That silver 200x7 I posted a link for is the last version Sunfire made before moving production to China, it has all of the factory updates and higher quality capacitors already installed. It was built in 2005 and with the higher quality parts will likely easily last 10+ more years without need for servicing.

... or directly in front of. and thunder and volcanoes, and earthquakes, and animal roars, and pachydermic trumpeting, and some guy beating on a hollow log. But I'm with you. When our orchestra played The Great Gate of Kiev (Kyiv), Fanfare for the Common Man, Slaughter on 10th Avenue, etc., or the the end of a Mahler or Beethoven symphony, there was some harshness and fatigue ... we peeled the paint off the walls. But there was also effortless power, and bass that hit us in the chest, belly, and feet. I can get fairly close with my Klipschorns, and could not with my old JBL 030 system ... and there is a big difference between about the same amount of fatigue as there is live, and the greater, subjectively different, kind of fatigue that comes with an unplayable CD or with my old JBL. Now that's distortion!

Weren't the CW111's developed by the same engineering team?? ..Klipsch had computer modeling and anechoic chambers then, as they do now. ..To me, it's basically amounts to product life-cycle management. ..Make small changes but proclaim them to be quite large. ..But when you compare them side to side w/ volumes matched and the listener blinded, I'm betting they sound pretty much alike.

Unfortunately, there are no tags or serial numbers on the back plate area. It has been removed. The speakers and grill are emblazoned with the Klipsch logo, and the body of the speakers appear to be made of aluminum. I purchased them from a friends used stereo equipment store and he knew the model, but he passed away a year or so ago and nothing I have seen on the internet matches these units. Any help in identifying them would be hugely appreciated.

they got an Irish slang that´s make them so interesting imo

Irish Rock from Dublin

My parents took me to see Zappa and the Mothers of Invention in 1969 at Filmore East and again at Carnegie Hall. I was ten years old and remember it vividly. My mom brought her knitting, my dad wore suit and tie. We were surounded by freaky twenty something's smoking pot. The opening acts at Filmore were Chicago and Buddy Miles.

While listening to some “violin” music last night I remembered another aspect to this subject. (Anne-Sophie Mutter, London Symphony Orchestra, Valery Gergiev conducting Bach, Violin Concertos & Gubaidulina, In tempus praesens /Deutsch Gramophone) A while back Chris A. mentioned something about all recordings seem to have their own “natural” playback level where it sounds best. I couldn’t agree more with Chris on this one. Personally, I’ve found a very wide range in recording reference level in commercial recordings. This difference can easily be as much as 20dB, or more. If the violins sound strident, try turning it down to a level where the violins (or the offending sound) no longer sound strident. Remember also, the more you turn up the volume, the more the room gets involved. The room’s acoustic properties can contribute to certain instruments/voices sounding strident. The main problem for most people when turning the volume down is that the nuances or fullness of quieter passages can get lost, because they are near or below the ambient noise level of the room. Turn it up, it’s too loud/strident on the loud parts. Consider the conditions most of us listen in. The typical home has an ambient noise level of about 55dB. Outside at my home the SPL is typically 65dB to 70dB or more (C weighted, calibrated). My listening room is around 30dB, lower if I temporarily turn off all appliances, HVAC, etc. IMHO, we don’t really need the full dynamic range of a live performance in the relatively small acoustic spaces we listen in. The room gets involved too much. Much more than, and in a very different way, than the actual concert hall does.

the whole horn loaded sub tangent or comparing a suggested brand or type of sub to another this thread & others like it turn into would be like if a member asked for advice on buying some heresys & stated he doesnt have room, budget or need for bigger speakers. then gets a bunch of replies saying you dont want heresys because they are small & sealed etc... you need K-horns or jubilees or nothing else because they are horn loaded, heresys wont have any impact unless they are stacked to the ceiling. then people start talking about how a driver works or what the proper terminology is for a woofer vs driver etc etc. it becomes completely off topic & unrelated to what the member asked about kinda like how the OP here wanted to mentioned he was surprised & happy with what a couple of the cheapest small klipsch subs did for his cornwalls. yet after 7 pages of posts 9 out of 10 replies werent even related to his post. nothing wrong with conversation but sometimes forum threads get so far off track it becomes counter productive. stay on topic or start another thread to discuss other things. to the OP, please update this to let us know what you decided to go with for new subs... or start another thread.