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No one knows your economic status. Some of us have had bitter disputes and left temporarily or for good. All new comers are welcomed on the forum and things are like in life. Some people you will click with more than other. Ask what seems to a dumb question, if others can answer it, you learn something. If they, can't, the question was not so dumb and the forum needs to educate itself. Life is long, hard, and having a little tough skin and not to take every comment personally goes a long way. People on this forum represent an image of America. Some are professional people, blue color, students, etc. Ones economic status can always change and does not define the person. I regularly ask a lot of dumb question, I like to learn. Most times someone else has the same question. Give the forum a rest for a bit and think things over.

OK, going off in the am, for the weekend, back to Hope to work on some things for the pilgrimage and a few days helping at the museum and plant. Anyone need anything from the plant ? just kidding

Help is not for those who need it, it's for those who want it. I'm sure you did your best. That's all you can do.

Did you fall off that thing? ^^^ If you did, I'd be crying. +++ I'm not a big street bike guy, but that is a gorgeous bike.

I was always told after my first concussion, Three Max. After that you are asking for trouble. Got rid of my Big Dog Bike because going down on that critter a couple years back was my third. I miss the CHIT out of my bike, wife's ok with my Dirt bike though, and i guess, i am too.

Six years have passed since I first joined this forum: boy, how time flies. I started out just wanting to get an ideal of how to setup up my Best Buy speakers which were very expensive and high end to me at the time. Then I was open to a whole new world that was worse than a dog chasing it's tail. Then I started reading about different gear, seen pic's of different system and heard all these descriptive terms describing audio nirvana. Next, in the search for audio perfection, you folks chimed in with a vast knowledge, various opinions and personal likes. This only lead to more confusion. I changed my search to what others claimed was audio nirvana and at considerable cost. Changing gear was just the start, then the room and putting stuff on walls, floors and even considering what the wall were made of. Wait, this is now developing into a phobia, my God, am I loosing my mind. Finally, I reached the conclusion that audio nirvana had it's own definition that only resided within me. Expensive gear, top of the line gear, and other things could not guarantee me audio nirvana. I wasn't even sure at this point if I even knew what exactly I was looking for. I just knew it has to sound good. After conceding that I can't be an audiophile because, I did not care if I could hear the singers lick their lips, take a scratch or the distinct pluck of an E note on a guitar, how will I ever reach this Shangri-La, describe by James Hilton. This mystical, harmonious world of audio nirvana. Next came tweaking. Modding speakers, amps, wires,DIY projects, inter-connect, etc. This was time consuming and also an endless journey. Somewhere along the journey, I came to the conclusion that I would not get it right on the first attempt. Mainly because I was not sure what exactly I was looking for. So many thing in audio are described with such magical qualities in this fairy tale land. Then came loud. If it gets loud it has to be good, wrong. Next was detail. Wanting to hear minute detail at low to moderate volume. Well, none of this can be completely correct and achieved so, what is the right mix. Only thru trial and error, trying different things and playing with what is at hand, did the journey develop some clarity. Oh, I forgot the shelling out of plenty of cash since many things can't be determined in a store and need to be in my own room, with my other gear and taste in music. I finally realized, I did not need the biggest speakers, the most expensive amp, etc. In the end it wasn't Heritage speakers vs Reference, tube amps over solid state, and particular cost barrier on the gear but, learning what I liked in music, listen levels, aesthetic and yes, what compromises I was willing to accept. Yes, it is possible to spend a fortune on the gear and the room and still there will be compromises. I knew if I shoot for the stars that I would end up in the poor house so, I still pulled the trigger and released a shot. I did not even come close to the stars and ended up on a moon with a bit more than a modest system that made me happy. Is this the end of the journey, the road appears clear for now but, fog is looming down the road so, all I can say is that I am content now, this feels like Shangri-La or nirvana but, since it is not on the map, I will just go with my best guess.

Ouch. Time to bust out some of that Permafrost vodka they make by your house Dave. You'll need the antifreeze in your system if you go outside.

Good morning. After a foot of snow over the weekend, this is my house this morning. Coffee is the primary light today. It's not so fun outside right now...

I'll admit, I have been rubbed the wrong way seeing how some people get jumped on in forums but I usually just take a day or two away and things pass. Who knows, maybe the person that jumped on you was just having a bad day. Maybe that person has a different level of humor? I try not to ask a million questions in any forum and I try to keep my snarkiness to a minimum if others are around I am not totally familiar with. I can be, and have been an Ahole to some people (usually on Facebook) but like everyone else, you have to realize where you are. This is a sampling of people worldwide cut into a little slice of topics that may or may not make people feel comfortable. I agree with other that suggested you take a couple of days away and forget about any possible conflict you may have perceived. Life is short, no need to fret about the little things Tim

+1 Derric DJ 1 ^^^. Give yourself permission to take some time. I have no pre-concieved notions of you at all. Feel free to PM me if you want. I can't solve problems anybody else has, but I can give you honest opinions. Then do what you feel is best for you. -Dave

That's a sweet ride. I recently sold a nice race bike. I doubt if I ever get back on a race track. I still have a street bike, I didn't ride at all in 2016 though. Glad it was a success. Thanks BSM...I think they're looking at an electrical issue, maybe I have a wire crossed Just a feeling I have, but I don't think it's a heart issue.

That row of boxes in the factory look a lot like Heresy III cabinets.

I'm 0 for 2 rescuing drunks. Seems sobriety can't be forced upon someone. But, as Monty Python said, "Now for something completely different." A friend emailed this to me. I thought he was referring to Big Ben Roethlisberger. It's fascinating.

That one is DEFINITELY from your wife.

Our household has a cold going around. I'm trying not to get it. Thom the dog sledding sounds like a lot fun. Now that is something I've never thought of trying. I've been to Quebec a couple of times in the winter and did some horseback riding and snow snowmobiling.

When I'm down for the count I like to play funeral dirges and Scottish bagpipe music. Kinda fits the mood of being sick.

Congrats on the retirement! There's nothing better. Best of all is finally getting enough sleep!!! Have a look at the better Denon A/V recievers. Well under your limit. Also, Marantz, Onkyo and Integra. If you want to cut corners on your system, consider a 3 speaker array across the front. It is old school from the 40s and having a matched center channel adds a lot of focus to movies in addition to helping lockdown vocals and drums in a stereo recording. Where do you live?

how much did you pay him? Referrals command a high price.

Our WVU alumi band usually marches about 400. I didn't have a quick pic to show you, but this is me in 1980, usually a cymbal player, but this time playing...cowbell! The blond snare drummer in the middle is Chris, my best friend in college. It is his wife I am standing beside in the opening picture. Chris died in 1986 from brain cancer.

Tell her you have no money, she'll leave you alone.

This is the fourth message, strangely, with the exact same wording that I've gotten this week. It's obvious she's shy because she doesn't even include her name and I'm not all that into her, we've never even met. I really don't like to hurt anyone's feelings, so my question to my fellow Klipschites is, how do I let this woman down easily? +++ This is NOT the Mystery Woman, this is the picture from my Facebook which the Mystery Woman found so attractive. This is me in 2016 at WVU Homecoming with a band buddy.

Maybe you should take the lead in promoting the dual traditional grip. You could start a trend. +++ As for me, I refuse to be dragged into the 21st century! The Old Guard Fife and Drum Corps will make my case for me. I love these guys. They are the best marchers I have ever seen. You could drop them from from a helicopter onto a vacant field and they would still be as good, no yard lines needed.

As I stated earlier, traditional grip imposes physical limitations that matched grip does not. I have no doubt that if Steve Gadd had started out using nothing but matched grip and put in his 10,000 hours of practice* using nothing but matched grip he could play even better than he does with traditional grip. Here's 100% proof that traditional grip isn't as good as matched grip: If it were, we'd use it for both hands. *Refers to Malcom Gladwell's theory of how much practice it takes to become an expert at anything.

You need to talk to Tom Manley at McIntosh Audio. He has a fantastic selection of vintage McIntosh and is a great guy as well. He'll be more than happy to discuss your needs and help you find the McIntosh amp that works for you. (If you're willing to work with tubes, an MC 275 would make those Heresies sing... ). I picked up my MA 6200 from him and couldn't be happier with my purchase -- and it was $2800 less than what you're willing to spend, so you should be like a kid in a candy store browsing his site.

Someone may ruffle your feathers now and then. Agree with teaman, take a couple days and come back. There is more good than bad here. Don't let the Klipsch-ites get you down.

Yep "Ya gotta wanna" be in recovery.

^^^That's cold Dave^^^

It's not hard. Steve Gadd, the drummer for Aja is one of the best in the business at playing a drum kit. He plays with traditional grip. Study this Master Class Youtube vid to see how it is done. Gadd is the drummer's drummer.

If you don't know the secret handshake and password then you're obviously not in it. Nothing more attention getting than the title of this thread and must have missed the transgression....That said, those of us that have been here awhile don't fit into any one "clique," but understand some posters get more enthusiastic condemning one person's opinion. Wait.....If this all happened in the 2 Channel Forum I completely understand where you are coming from because those guys are NUTS! {Note: No smiley face as not to offend.} Seriously Karsoncookie, most of us here have threatened to leave because of someone else's (supposed or otherwise) idiotic comments and if you actually have gained anything in the past you can do so again....One of the things I didn't realize I would benefit from as much as I respect now is the Ignore Button. There are those that may want to push your buttons and I only use that feature for folks that try to get under my skin and don't add to the conversation....Otoh, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because sometimes we learn the most from those with whom we disagree. Anyway, my 2 cents.

I knew we would get back around to discussing cables I knew we would get back to discussing cables

If you don't know the secret handshake and password then you're obviously not in it.

Wanted to keep the TV as low as possible (neck strain fatigue)

I've been using that for a while Scott. Great SQ. You should enjoy it.

Well, sort of. More like one Palladium. I bought the center, but haven't stumbled across the right mains yet. I'm thinking the P17. Right now I'm actually using RF7 version 1, feel free to stop by anytime.

Good Tuesday afternoon gang Just back in from the farm run(s). Wife in Frisco dropping the Sailor daughter, heading for Dublin for two weeks. rough life she has eh? Farmer(s) Bi tchy and crabby, likely the weather. Other than it being my Fav day of the week, Berti County NC Peanuts have arrived, Thanx Chuck

Hard to answer without a FR graph. DSP and EQ can be helpful in other spot than just the XO. Plate amps don't take up space and are a nice, clean, less fuss look. Even though I have sub EQ, I find the additional PEQ/DSP in the I Nukes something I don't want to live without. If you are happy, stop looking. It is the still looking around part that gets' us spending more money and into trouble.

Yours would be a desirable brain, it was hardly used (tip your waitress on the way out)

Carl, cmon, you know me, I'm easily confused....and, it is after 5pm here....

Tell her less cow bell.

No center is better than the wrong center. Is there a reason you can't mount a center channel above the TV?

For a long time dual 15" was the "standard" size for bass heads. Now 18 is the new 15. Over on AVS.com DIY Speakers and Subs forum the de facto standard for "big boy" sub setups is a pair of Ulimax 18 w/ flat pack. A single Inuke 6000 w/dsp completes the package, $1200 total. That's $400 x2 for the subs, plus the $400 Inuke. I've built the DA Reference 15" sealed (w/500w plate amp), the less powerful cousin to the Ultimax subs and it is fantastic. I used the flat pack and it is highly recommend. I can give you reasons in detail if you want, but the flat packs are the way to go unless you have wood working skills, proper equipment, and enjoy making sawdust. +++ Edit: Here is a video on putting together the SEOS speaker, which I have also built. It will show you the design engineering and fit of the subs which are designed the same way. The same guy (Erich) sells these kits on diysoundgroup.com and he also provides the exact same ones to Parts-Express.

I absolutely love stories like this! Many have heard about my best buy experience which was before I bought my first heritage speaker. I've told it before but I'll tell it again. I was thinking of redoing my home theater which at the time consisted of JBL S310's which weren't bad and I always wanted to try Klipsch's bigger offerings after hearing the Pro Media's and a Home theater in a box system my brother had by them which was very impressive. Anyway I went into Bestbuy and asked what they thought of Klipsch and the guy in the magnolia theater said honestly I think there overpriced garbage. He said come here let me show you some better stuff so he proceeded to show me speakers by Bower and Wilkins, Bang and Olufson, Martin Logan and honestly I wasn't all that impressed because it really didn't sound any better than what I had at home already. Now this was before I had ever even heard a Klipsch Heritage speaker remember. So I told the guy I had to think more and left. Fast forward a while later I found the Chorus's on Craigslist. I didn't know anything about the speakers or that they were even part of the Heritage line, I just knew they looked badass and had the Klipsch name that I loved. I ended up buying them without even testing them out first due to a misunderstanding between me and the guy I bought them from. When I got them home I hooked them up and threw on one of my test songs and honestly I was absolutely 100% in love and have never looked back since! I was so amazed at what I was hearing. When I turned up the volume everyone in my house ran to my theater room and could not believe the sound they were hearing! I literally wanted to go back to bestbuy and tell the people at that magnolia theater they should be ashamed of themselves! Needless to say I have not looked back since! It's funny speaking of McIntosh I was looking at AVR's a while ago and found a local dealer that sold McIntosh so I called to inquire about pricing and he was telling me he had them hooked to some Bower and Wilkins and swore if I came down to listen he guarantee's that I've never heard anything as good. I guarantee my K-horns blow whatever he had out of the water!

Regarding the picture in this thread of the speaker with the big woofer and feet, ("How can you be pissed at this?"), I would answer by asking, "After all the decades of PWK's research, why am I looking at clear violations of the eight cardinal rules?", just one being the feet elevating it to form a cavity. PWK himself wrote research results of the catastrophic effects of placing speakers up off the floor like that. My thoughts... I think of "Heritage" applying exclusively to the old big five. For a long time, these were the company's best "pegs" scaled and engineered answers to the question, "What fits best into this hole?" That was a reflection of the old style relationship between maker and user, and the load was on the maker to present and identify the best solution. This is similar to the company Fender that used to offer two versions of guitar. In the last 20 years Fender has offered hundreds of versions of guitar... the load to identify the best solution has been transferred to the user. So I think of Heritage as meaning the collection of solutions from which the manufacturer presented the appropriate instance to the particular problem - the user said "I have this hole" and the maker said "I have this peg for that hole". For Klipsch, all this began to get a little slippy when the Quartet, Chorus, Forte appeared because of their strong "family resemblance" to the Heritage five. It was the design principles (e.g., Eight Cardinal Rules) that defined the Heritage five. The extended Heritage shared both the "look" of the five and some of those principles, but subsequent speaker designs moved away from them... to the degree that the underlying specifications of the new versions of even the old five were subject to change. So now, in some sense I don't even consider the new remaining versions of the five Heritage the same as the old five Heritage. Just look at the Heresy... Heresy I - rated 96dB/W/m and nominally rated 8 ohms impedance, but the minimum impedance is 10.2 ohms at 150Hz.Heresy III - rated 99dB/W/m but although nominally rated 8 ohms impedance the minimum impedance is 4.2 ohms at 150Hz. The international standard is that the nominal impedance specification is to be no greater than the minimum impedance times a factor of 1.25. For Heresy I, they could have spec'ed as 12 ohm nominal speakers (12.75 ohm) instead of 8 ohm nominal.Heresy III, they should have spec'ed as 5 ohm nominal speakers (5.25 ohm) instead of 8 ohm nominal. The sensitivity spec is with respect to voltage, not watts. The spec is 2.83V, which into 8 ohms is 1 watt, but 2.83V into 4 ohms is 2 W.To be more precise, 2.83V into 4.2 ohm is 1.9 watts. The difference between 2 watts and 1 watt is 3dB. And 99dB - 3dB = 96dB.Assuming the Heresy III more efficient is incorrect. The Heresy III needs close to twice the watts of the Heresy I to hit the same sound level. This kind of analysis is what the consumer is driven to do when a company expands their product line to the point of relinquishing their role as the provider of a best one-peg solution for each sized hole. This forest of choices forces the buyers to do their own math. Creating a "market of solutions" within the company forces consumer due diligence, and that level of effort is so similar to extending their purchasing scope to other companies' product offerings, that they do so, promoting lost sales. Kinda nerdy and rambling, but aren't we all?

Carrying slow moving inventory is probably the fastest way to bankrupt any business. Tying up unnecessary cash that doesn't allow you to invest in new products. Not a mistake.

I could have told you that. Even flagsip AVRs only a few years ago did not have Zone 2 digital. Now even some upper midlevel AVRs do. Get an outboard DAC place between Apple TV and AVR. Bill

Maybe use a cheap DAC to convert the toslink to analog and then pipe that to your zone 2 input. Something like this : https://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_id=6884&gclid=CjwKEAiA79zDBRCgyf2FgeiY-CESJABzr0BM0_AUQi6WJVJfr2xQQ50zXYyJIpXFetTM6gxQVFsw2RoCPx_w_wcB

Upper Ear, Las Vegas NV. Sometime between 1988 & 1989. They had the entire Heritage line from the Forte on up. It was simply amazing! Rich let me audition every single one of them starting at the bottom. Every model up was a definite level up! I threw all my test tracks at them and was astounded by how effortless they sounded with very tight bass. Rich let me push the SPLs...dang did they sound better as they got louder, with nary a hint of speaker breakup. I was hooked for life! No other speaker system since have come close to Klipsch Heritage dynamics!! I came away with the Forte. The Upper Ear was so awesome, they had/allowed trade ups (one model up) inside of a year. Not long after, Forte IIs came out, and Rich allowed me trade up to those even though they weren't exactly one model up. Traded all the way up to the Chorus IIs eventually. Never stopped dreaming of owning a Klipschorn since.

Since the RP line hasn't been out very long, is there any warranty left? Maybe you could get a free one.

Get the originals if not too much $$$. Just saying if and when you decide to sell them one day. Bill

Bob says they could do that! Cool! If I don't find what I need used (or increase my budget a little), I may do that! I have been very curious about the CS-1. Of course, the finish won't be as nice, but on the other hand it would match my huge sub after I get around to staining it!