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LISTENING VS. HEARING I often have older customers tell me they don't want to spend a lot on gear because their high frequency hearing is diminished and they wouldn't be able to appreciate the quality it offered. WRONG! To illustrate the point let me recount an experience I had early on in my audio career. At 18, and just out of high school, I went to work at the local high-end shop (we didn't use that term then, but we handled McIntosh, Klipsch, Marantz, etc., so I guess we'd fit that description today). The owner was a good friend of Paul Klipsch and Paul would visit the shop from time to time. Mr. Klipsch was a pilot and owned a small private plane that he flew regularly. I’m told that instead of headphones to monitor radio transmissions, Paul preferred a midrange horn (or, squawker as he called it) out of or Klipschorn. I can imagine how loud that must have been to hear the radio over the engine noise! Considering that and his rather advanced age, I'm sure Paul had zip for high frequency hearing. On one visit, Paul, and the rest of the crew at the shop were chatting and enjoying some tunes when Paul lept out of his chair shouting "Did you hear that? Play that part again!" We cued the cartridge back a bit and replayed the section, again with Paul exclaiming about what he'd heard - the rest of us struggling to perceive what he was describing. After several plays I could pick up a small amount of distortion that he heard immediately. Here I was - with pristine 18-year-old ears - struggling to hear the minutia that a gentleman approaching 70 picked out in an instant. It was a great lesson and taught me that "hearing" was more of a learned skill than an innate ability determined by physiological assets. The subtleties that a high resolution system can deliver should not be thought of as exclusively high frequency events requiring bat-like ears to recognize, but rather a wide ranging sample of different aural attributes easily perceived and enjoyed by people with a broad range of hearing. Audophiles who’ve trained themselves to “listen” easily hear and appreciate the nuance that a high resolution system can offer. It does not require 20Hz - 20kHz hearing to appreciate and enjoy a high end audio system.

Only when he has a party. Bet that sounds great loud.

Chucks mantra.

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I'm just glad you picked a good picture. Later I got into a little trouble and was locked up for a while, this pic is me in the zoo, begging for peanuts. After all of that I lightened up and with the help of some jamaican friends went in a different direction, taking it easy and relaxing is now a goal. second pic.

The vast majority, in fact almost all center speakers, are designed for your situation. While it may be ideal to have matching L-C-Rs all at ear level height, that is ideal and in no way the only good sounding setup. Most people have a center that sits just below their screen no matter what height that is, and they point them upwards a bit so the tweeter is pointing at ear height at the listening positions. On the floor is definitely not ideal for a typical center speaker (horizontal M-T-M designs). Many people put them on stands. They can also go above the TV and with good results, it all depends upon the room and setup (how high the tv is and such). But even on the floor I think you'll like it better than no center. Whichever puts the center closer to ear height (above or below) is where it should be put. You can experiment and try both. In a setup where almost all you will do is watch movies and shows, I can't stress enough how important I think it is, but I am one person with one opinion no more valuable than any of the others.

I suppose I should credit Andrew Dice Clay for this^^^^^^^^

Neal and Bob are your friends and not mine. Oh wait, they're not your friends, it's what you do.

You're just scared that you might like it.

No, that's the portable system. What I have can't be so easily moved. (insert emoticon)

Your back yard?

Glad to hear your catheter is working.

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http://www.klipsch.com/search/results?q=Forte+III Came inside for some ac went to klipsch .com and look what I've found!!! **Lightning outside so back in again, tired of pruning those bushes anyway. Searched with quotes klipsch .com forte III and found more. They are setting it up to start sales. If y'all haven't seen it already.... http://www.klipsch.com/forte-iii

My experience... I sealed my Klipschorns to the wall with pipe insulation. That added noticeable low-end bass. The most notable improvement was when I went from powering them with a Yamaha RX-V2500 receiver to powering them with two Emotiva XPA-1L monoblocks and SLAM!!! Say what you want about equipment, but 75-95 db of music with the monoblocks had much more bass! More volume had ridiculous bass! The monoblocks are now on my LaScalas and I'm hearing bass I'd never heard from my LaScalas without a sub.

special edition matte black. there's a regular edition black ash as well.

Certainly you're not insinuating that was Christy or were you being unfaithful?

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The only good part about being locked up in the zoo was I got put in the same area as the good looking female, but it would still get so boring the highlight of the day was watching her pee down a rock.

I can't say that I agree with this. How a person perceives any sensual stimulus is a product of many things, one of the most important of which is the extent of that person's knowledge about the particular stimulus they're receiving. How many of you could always immediately detect that a pair of speakers is connected in reverse polarity to each other before the first time that someone pointed out the condition to you (perhaps teaching you what to listen for) and explained the electrical cause? Many non-audiophile types live happily for years with their speakers connected in reverse polarity to each other. On the other hand, my friend Ken can detect the condition after only a couple of seconds of listening. It's more than putting a name on an experience, it's learning to recognize and appreciate all the different things that experience is made up of. Listening to music reproduction is an extremely complex activity; the more we know about and understand the nature of what we're hearing the more our enjoyment of it is substantially improved.

But I'm still firing. 3 kids was enough.

And sharpen your snark.

those are the best regards I have and I gave them tied up with a "good luck" bow.

Don't get too close to your pacemaker then.

I cut you some slack. Don't expect it in the future. Patch looks great.

Because with the exception of klipsch fans, most people don't know where the sound is coming from, so they put fake drivers

^Nice. Another benefit of buying the kind of quality that outlives you is the legacy made available to others (reminds me of some speakers I have)

As Albert demonstrated, there is more than one way to make the required calculations. Pano devised the test for absolute simplicity. You do not need to have any technical knowledge to do it (my wife did it correctly, without assistance, after reading Pano's instructions). The only electronics skill needed is to be able to connect the probes of a multimeter to either your speaker terminals, or the speaker jacks of your amp. Eight ohms was used as a reference because most amps specify power into that load impedance. Claude raised the question of power requirements into an impedance lower than 8 ohms. For simplicity, let's consider 4 ohms as the minimum the amp will have to deal with (that will be approximately valid for most Klipsch speakers). So, to find out how much power is needed for that impedance, simply do the test and then double the result. So, in Jim's case with his K-horns: 4.96 X 4.96 = 24.6W into 8 ohms, or 49.2W into 4 ohms. That's it. For the volume control setting that Jim chose as his worst case (i.e. loudest) level requirement while listening to music, he now knows how much power is needed to satisfy ANY RECORDING that he will ever play. If his amp can deliver that amount of power cleanly, everything is good. Maynard

Chris, The bulk of the work is done I will post my settings later, this is the current trace of where I am now. Just need to decide on a house curve and adjust to the sound I like best, thanks for all your help brother. Oh BTW it sounds awesome!!! Jay

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Yep - it's helll getting old. Adult Depends for such activities so as not to interfere with all the fun. --! You can always find someplace to do that outside Sounds like the voice of experience. I sleep all night, thank you very much. I surely can't say that, but I would rather get up 3-4 times a night than have a doctor check my prostate. I'll get up at night I need the exercise more than I need a probing. Like they say about aliens, " it's all fun and game until the probing starts"

I'm going to place a center, now the question is how will i manage with the little clearance i have.. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

Schu, Medium density. I make this as test box. I'll build another one if they don't sound good. I go buy ply wood and make 1.5in at side panels. Albert

Nurse Diesel!

Very nice. Good luck with your sale. Bill

Changing electronics in and out as often as I do I'd like to think I Listen; for the differences from one component to the next. You must actually Listen to find the minute differences in amps, preamps, tubes etc, as to what brings more to the ear. And not make light or hijack I tell my wife something very similar - I Heard you, I just wasn't listening --. She gets it --

Just get (5) JC 1's and call it a day..... Just let me know and I'll drop the Carver by your house

Center speaker pic. My width is 16'. I say don't let anyone talk you out of the center speaker.

Hey man if you need to send it off for repair I have a Carver that you're very familiar with. It's just sitting here unused so let me know and I'll drop it off at your place.

You can just utilize a phantom center with the imaging of the front speakers. With that said, only ideal for center seating position. Narrow room with no extreme right/left seating will be doable also. Post a photo of your attic. Bill

When you start shipping subs, a pallet works best but, the cost skyrocket.

Every response above contains a good chunk of truth. Who cares how much power the amps have? There's no way anyone would USE all those watts unless they were trying to smoke out Manuel Noriega. The owner was probably all wrapped up in name-dropping what he owns rather than a love of music. It was the room acoustics I tell ya!

The crossovers being "clean" means little. The capacitors are 34 years old. They need to be replaced.

Keep the Heresy's and add a good sub or two.