jimjimbo Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 No matter your political leanings/beliefs, John McCain deserves our respect and admiration. He is a hero, someone who put his service to this country above himself. I am compelled to start another thread because I feel so strongly with respect for this great man. Courage, integrity and passion are but a few words to describe him. You all know the rules. Please do not cause this thread to be locked. Thank you. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I agree with the premise. of this thread. That said, if you search for McCain in this forum you will find pretty much all of the threads mentioning him locked--HIs life was valuable and I miss discussing the ramifications his and others make on this great country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 jimjimbo is dead on. The locked thread was entitled "RIP." Leave it at that. I suggest to my fellow moderators that, if appropriate, we give warning points to any who post issues that violate the TOS here rather than lock the thread. That is my intention. Dave 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFR1 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Seven years ago this week my Mom died of the same Glioblastoma brain cancer. Helplessly watching someone battle this cancer is heartbreaking. Senator McCain bravely faced more adversity in his life than most, and he did so with courage beyond my comprehension. Let us agree that this country has lost a real patriot, and forget for the moment that we may not have always agreed with his politics. jerry 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Condolences for his family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyBob Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 He gave the most of his life to serving US.. much respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, Dave A said: I had to change my location because it was offensive to some. My take on this is that while I have great sympathy for his end he is a very polarizing figure and this topic should be ended period. There are too many hard feelings on both side for it to ever remain civil so why put the temptation out there? Why not simply have a thread where folks can post "RIP" if they would like to and leave it just at that. Those who choose to do so can and those who do not wish to can abstain. Both sides can then can respectfully express themselves and no ones feelings need be hurt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, moray james said: Why not simply have a thread where folks can post "RIP" if they would like to and leave it just at that. Those who choose to do so can and those who do not wish to can abstain. Both sides can then can respectfully express themselves and no ones feelings need be hurt. I tried that. The thread was locked because some felt that they had to make a political statement, rather than a statement of respect. Sad, but true. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 RIP Senator. I disagree with locking the other RIP thread. IMO, lock out and delete posts of the TOS violators, but don’t lock the thread. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebse2a3 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 24 minutes ago, DizRotus said: RIP Senator. I disagree with locking the other RIP thread. IMO, lock out and delete posts of the TOS violators, but don’t lock the thread. This...! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 FIREWORKS ? Just wait till Obama or Trump dies.... Oops, I said it again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Thanks to all for their support. I do my best to be a "moderating" moderator rather than enforcer and believe that warning points should be applied before locks, unless the violation is by the original poster. However, all moderators support each other and do not reverse each other's calls. If we disagree, we take if off line and work it out...just as we expect you guys to. A few here go back as far as I do and we all understand the history of this forum and how we got here. It remains, IMHO, the greatest virtual family in audio and deserves our respect and support. NOBODY "moderates" ANY kind of discussion at Pilgrimage that doesn't violate the law or threaten others. Come see for yourself. Carry on, and simply ignore those who "troll" for locks. We will handle them. Dave 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TasDom Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Rest in peace Mr. McCain, I for one will always respect and honor your sacrifices you made for our country. Too much to list but this is a very good start..... McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment occurred on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi.[36][37] McCain fractured both arms and a leg when he ejected from the aircraft,[38] and nearly drowned after he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.[36] McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".[37] Although McCain was seriously wounded and injured, his captors refused to treat him. They beat and interrogated him to get information, and he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was an admiral.[39] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers.[40][41] McCain spent six weeks in the hospital, where he received marginal care. He had lost 50 pounds (23 kg), was in a chest cast, and his gray hair had turned as white as snow.[36] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi.[42] In December 1967, McCain was placed in a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live more than a week.[43] In March 1968, McCain was placed into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.[44] In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[45] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[46] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[45] McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. Such early release was prohibited by the POWs' interpretation of the military Code of Conduct which states in Article III: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy".[47] To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[36] Beginning in August 1968, McCain was subjected to a program of severe torture.[48] He was bound and beaten every two hours; this punishment occurred at the same time that he was suffering from dysentery.[36][48] Further injuries brought McCain to "the point of suicide," but his preparations were interrupted by guards. Eventually, McCain made an anti-U.S. propaganda "confession".[36] He had always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[49][50] Many U.S. POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[51] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[52] McCain received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[53] McCain refused to meet various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.[54] From late 1969, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[55] while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities.[56] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.[50][57] McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years until his release on March 14, 1973.[58] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[59] After his release from the Hanoi Hilton, McCain returned to the site with his wife Cindy and family on a few occasions to come to grips with what happened to him there during his capture.[60] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Prisoner_of_war 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mallette said: A few here go back as far as I do and we all understand the history of this forum and how we got here. It remains, IMHO, the greatest virtual family in audio The greatest? I disagree. It used to be, especially when the family could have opinionated conversations, with some fights here and there, and still get along all said and done. Now, it's relegated to Coffee, Cables and whatever the heck else it is. You know we' will have lost it when people claim defamation and threaten to sue each other over how many cups of coffee per day is the right amount. That's not going to happen in a sane world. But I respect the forum's objective to have less traffic and more harmony. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Jeff Matthews said: The greatest? I disagree. As many of us are here because of PWK and his legacy, I'd like to know your thoughts as to a better place to share it where the friendship and bonds are stronger. I personally know from such experience as I had with him he would have supported any discussion that didn't violate the law or damage another. But, like McCain, he was a maverick and he is no longer with us in the flesh. But his spirit lives on in this Forum like nowhere else. And I intend to stay here until I join him where there are NO moderators! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mallette said: As many of us are here because of PWK and his legacy, I'd like to know your thoughts as to a better place to share it I understand, but also, great friendships are built on much more than adulations for the maker of some great speakers. How do you think many of these long-term bonds among "Heritage" members evolved in the first place? It wasn't because of the K77 - that much I can tell you. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: I understand, but also, great friendships are built on much more than adulations for the maker of some great speakers. You mean like you and I? 😝 I hear you...but it remains PWK the legend and that magic moment he first cranked up K'horns in the lab, not all that time in BS, that brought me here and keeps me here. Now, virtual friendships become friendships at Pilgrimage where there are no rules aside from social propriety and mutual respect. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 42 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: The greatest? I disagree. It used to be, especially when the family could have opinionated conversations, with some fights here and there, and still get along all said and done. Now, it's relegated to Coffee, Cables and whatever the heck else it is. You know we' will have lost it when people claim defamation and threaten to sue each other over how many cups of coffee per day is the right amount. That's not going to happen in a sane world. But I respect the forum's objective to have less traffic and more harmony. It's Cables, Coffee, & Cocktails to clarify. This February it will have been around for five years. Most forums have a place like CC&C where the non techies can contribute and get to know folks here. No subject is off topic and we have a good time in spite of ourselves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tarheel said: Most forums have a place like CC&C where the non techies can contribute and get to know folks here. No subject is off topic and we have a good time in spite of ourselves. Inside "the Lounge," of all places. The irony is divine. You could just kill the Lounge, and put "Cables, Coffee" all by itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 RIP Senator McCain. Whether I agree or disagree makes no difference...you were a Great American and patriot. Thank you for your service to our nation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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