buf Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I have the Forte IIIs and I was wondering if the amount of toe-in that I use is similar to what other owners use. This could apply to other Heritage speakers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, buf said: I have the Forte IIIs and I was wondering if the amount of toe-in that I use is similar to what other owners use. This could apply to other Heritage speakers. Well, I guess this could depend on how you have your speakers situated relative to the back wall, how far apart they are, and where your listening position is. Since neither the La Scala, Cornwall, Heresy, or the Khorn have rear passives, the toe in of these would differ from your Forte III, and of course depends on the listener and their environment. My Khorns are toed in only very slightly, maybe 5-8 degrees, whereas my La Scala II's are slightly more. Individual preference. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Doesn't it kind of depend on how far you're sitting back and how wide your speakers are placed OP? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Haha ... have Forte's (on rollers) in a small stereo room. Usually at zero degrees ... but the maid moves them ... sometimes 10 degrees. Cannot hear any difference (prob due to the small size of the room). Just added K-510 horns ... jeez ... sorry, but Forte's are anemic ... looking for KPT-684's Cheers, Emile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1290 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 28 minutes ago, Emile said: but the maid moves them She moves me too... Hubba, Hubba!!! Not into toes though... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, Dave1290 said: She moves me too... Hubba, Hubba!!! Just for you 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kink56 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I have Forte I and I do not toe them in. I seldom toe in any speaker I ever had. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 18” off the wall. Toe them in until the midrange horns are pointed at your listening position. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Always toe in, those who purchased new would have placement instructions that came with the speakers. For those who purchased on the used market <read this> 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Must be an echo in here..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincymat Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 minute ago, jimjimbo said: Must be an echo in here..... Might be the toe in... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I have my Heresy IIs stuffed into corners about 9 feet apart. I sit about equidistant from them so I have them toed in a lot, a good 30 degrees or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buf Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 Well the article referenced by Jason str kind-of settles it for me. I do toe-in about 45 degrees. My room is small and my speakers are 8 feet from my listening position and 7.5 feet apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 The distance from the speaker to your listening position is only relational to toe in if you want to sit directly "on axis". I would recommend not doing this with Forte IIIs. In my experience they sound best when only slightly toed in. Much more than that and they can get a little "hot" in the midrange. When you get it right, it will be very obvious. The usual disclaimers apply, JMHO and YMMV, etc., etc............ Shakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Slight toe-in. RF-83 8 feet center-to-center, 11 feet from middle of the TV to my ears in the MLP, which is off-set to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlipschFan61 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 No toe-in for me. My listening space is much too small to support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 No room is too small for toe in. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted December 6, 2018 Moderators Share Posted December 6, 2018 Depending on how you like the sound, either crossing right in front of you or right behind you, this gives two totally different sounds for 2 ch as far as how wide the soundstage is. (don't know what the book says?) But I do know how the guy who designed them like them, crossing right in front of where you sit. When he is here he wants the HT mains on the floor on each side of the sub which puts them about 6' apart with the center in the middle, when he's not here I move them back out to the sidewalls, he just shakes his head. I toe our Flll's in a pretty good way, only because they're used for only HT as mains and the room is 24' wide. The center Fll fills in the rest with 3 Fll's across the rear with the sub in the center front behind the center channel. We need another Flll for a center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 For this question, zero sum gain. In other words, no one correct answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 6 hours ago, KlipschFan61 said: No toe-in for me. My listening space is much too small to support it. It's the nearfield acoustic reflections between your loudspeakers that cause the issues that leads to zero toe-in, including other loudspeakers that are just sitting there. Move all the stuff from between the loudspeakers, then try toe-in again...the results will be very different. I'd also recommend more absorption on the floor just in front of the loudspeakers--out to 3-4 feet, perhaps a little on the side walls next to the loudspeakers, too. Try tacking up some fuzzy blankets temporarily, then listen to a high quality recording. Chris 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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