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1 hour ago, pzannucci said:

Another playing to an agenda. 

You have to wonder, where are the facts.  Everyone has reduced this to pushing an agenda.. So bad you can't find the facts because everyone needs to put their own spin on it for their gain. 

Do the testing, publish the facts, and attack it like you were on a battlefield vs. it takes 2yrs for a vaccine and dismissing some information published because it doesn't fit the narrative.


Everything from politics to news to social media revolves, lives and dies with an agenda. And since we are “touching” the political third rail   occasionally in this thread I see where past failed political figure and used the “America First” slogan in describing our rise to the top of the Covid infection rate. Ain’t that clever - 

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1 minute ago, richieb said:


Everything from politics to news to social media revolves, lives and dies with an agenda. And since we are “touching” the political third rail   occasionally in this thread I see where past failed political figure and used the “America First” slogan in describing our rise to the top of the Covid infection rate. Ain’t that clever - 

Can't pile people into NY subways and such if anything is infectious without thinking it is going to go rampant.  People living and traveling within inches of each other are going to share something.  Transfer needed to stop early on not 2 months after we suspected it might be a problem.

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On 3/27/2020 at 10:07 PM, sunburnwilly said:

I'm so confused , they are reopening the beaches after 1 week . Let's see tomorrow is Saturday and will be sunny and close to 90f . Think that might draw some crowd issues ? It's like aww F-it lets see what happens .

https://www.live5news.com/2020/03/27/city-folly-beach-lifts-checkpoints-restrictions-island-following-ag-statement/

The idiots opened the beach back up for a day and then shut it down . YAY

https://www.postandcourier.com/health/covid19/folly-beach-bars-visitors-again-during-coronavirus-pandemic-hours-after/article_9b927200-70e9-11ea-b99c-27c48020b7e4.html

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16 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:

Seems like many here are (as well) injecting presumption into their comments. Assuming that any country or state or county or city could have been prepared for this is unreasonable. NYC completed a ‘pandemic’ preparation survey in 2015 that accurately predicted today’s reality. To fulfill just one part of its recommendations required 1/2 billion $ worth of ventilators. So assume that NYC bought 15,000 ventilators in 2015......  who will be operating them today......  there will never be enough qualified personnel to provide this level of care anywhere whether they are given all of everything they need or not. That is the reality of the pandemic.

 

Next is the presumption that the federal gov’t could ‘wiggle’ its nose and instantly have 100’s of millions of test kits, 10’s of thousands of vents..... etc. It does not matter WHO was president when this happened anyone would face the same limits. 
 

Given the initial gross misrepresentation of this disease coming from China and the failure of WHO to drill into the facts all the world can do is attempt to plug the dike while science grapples with treatments and vaccines. Look around - NO country has a great approach on this so stop dumping on America and simply do YOUR part to assist in corralling this virus.

Common sense and reality.........and I'm gonna throw in honesty, kinda said it all. Unfortunately there will never be enough of either. Uninformed opinions ,distortion and lies....there will always be more than needed....I have asthma, copd, and severe respiratory allergies (and it's a bad time of the year for that)....I'll do what I can and nature will do the rest. Stay safe, use you head...."we have nothing to fear, except fear itself"....

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Fauci has stated that C19 could cause between 100-200k deaths in the USA when it's run its course.   Fauci wouldn't have made estimates if he wasn't comfortable with the magnitudes.

 

Note that the Seasonal Flu in 2017-2018 caused an estimated 61k deaths.  So the C19 is 2~3X greater burden on the healthcare system than the 2017-2018 Pandemic Flu.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm?fbclid=IwAR2DXA33LUOkiC4ad9W5_zGuzHTfysAZ8SM6U2ByGeXtGjuMDhrBVOXirO0

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19 minutes ago, Randyh said:

NYC is a very big city ----------, people need to go out ---get food -----------we are taking about 23 million people in it's combined statistical area --------

Understood though doesn't negate my point.  You are stuck with what you have or what you are given.  Unfortunately things got shutdown later than they should have because nobody believed this would be as big a problem as it really is.

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18 minutes ago, John Warren said:

Fauci has stated that C19 could cause between 100-200k deaths in the USA when it's run its course.   Fauci wouldn't have made estimates if he wasn't comfortable with the magnitudes.

 

Note that the Seasonal Flu in 2017-2018 caused an estimated 61k deaths.  So the C19 is 2~3X greater burden on the healthcare system than the 2017-2018 Pandemic Flu.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm?fbclid=IwAR2DXA33LUOkiC4ad9W5_zGuzHTfysAZ8SM6U2ByGeXtGjuMDhrBVOXirO0

I thought he said that models have worst case scenarios and best case scenarios.  The end result is somewhere inbetween.  You're quoting worst case scenario. 

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4 hours ago, Bosco-d-gama said:

Seems like many here are (as well) injecting presumption into their comments. Assuming that any country or state or county or city could have been prepared for this is unreasonable. NYC completed a ‘pandemic’ preparation survey in 2015 that accurately predicted today’s reality. To fulfill just one part of its recommendations required 1/2 billion $ worth of ventilators. So assume that NYC bought 15,000 ventilators in 2015......  who will be operating them today......  there will never be enough qualified personnel to provide this level of care anywhere whether they are given all of everything they need or not. That is the reality of the pandemic.

 


 

Given the initial gross misrepresentation of this disease coming from China and the failure of WHO to drill into the facts all the world can do is attempt to plug the dike while science grapples with treatments and vaccines. Look around - NO country has a great approach on this so stop dumping on America and simply do YOUR part to assist in corralling this virus.

 

South Korea and Taiwan have each done an excellent job on this.  Nobody is perfect, but they were prepared.  In engineering there is the $1 / $10 / $100 Rule regarding changes at concept phase, design phase and construction phase.  $1B spent before the fact can save hundreds of billions after the fact. 

 

Subtitled but great video.

 

 

 

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