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Several years ago, I picked up a pair of RF-7's thinking I will never part with. Well, in short, goodbye my ol' friends. Hello! La Scala!!! After getting them settled in (had to paint the wall behind cause they clashed with the yellow). Replaced a diaphragm on one HF horn (I'll do the other next week). It was time for a test drive! Three words, OMG!!! -the delicacy of sound from these is amazing. The warmth is attractive and the look, well, look at them! Gorgeous! I was a little worried they would be too much. Those worries went quickly out the door with the twist of the throttle. Oh dear Lord, I had no idea what I have been missing. Now to smooth over the neighbors. I think some fresh baked cookies are in order

Very nice. I think the la scala is a great looking speaker with or without the grills. I started with rf-3's then went to rf-7's. They are very good. Then one day my brother gave me his 1980 heresies that he didn't use. Although the bass was of course not as deep, I couldn't believe how much more lifelike the music sounded. Been a heritage guy ever since and my journey stopped with khorns. I'll have khorns for as long as I possibly can.

Man, I type to slow. No, you don't have to spend $3800.00 to get what you're looking for, and you don't need a horn the size of Rhode Island. I'm getting ready to do some LaScalas, and I'm on a pretty tight budget. I can get 95% of the performance for half that amount. I'm a former Klipschorn and Jubilee owner and I've been down this road before - it'll be much more fun this time around without the mania and 50,000 forum opinions calling the shots.

First, congrats!! Second, just toss a doily over them...she'll never notice! As for the top, I've always thought that one could build a Khorn style top (to match the shape of the Jubilee bass bin) and place the K510 inside it to give a more finished presentation. That said, I've also thought about doing the same thing with the K402 like several others have. Then I think...nah... I kind of like the look of intimidation that it presents. Not trying to hijack this thread or anything. Just wanted to show what I did with mine. The 402 would obviously require a slightly different approach but you get the idea. Hope this helps.

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Sorry for the long post, but I've got a lot to say to you Klipsch-o-philes. I've been eyeing Klipsch products for many years and have finally decided that this is the year(spring) to dive in. I can't even recall when I first heard of Klipsch audio, but I do remember stumbling across the little Pro-media 2.1 system at Best Buy on display and bought it on the spot. Those little satellites sounded fantastic. Santana's trademark sustains were effortless and silky. I then picked up a pair of the S1 in ear buds and have never looked back to my old Sonys. Now I'm ready to go for a nice 2.0 setup and need some guidance. Currently, I have an Onkyo receiver(110w/ch) which I LOVE. This receiver has done everything I've ever asked of it and done it well. It's connected to an older pair of Pioneer CS-K835 floor standers(4-way, 12", 8", 5", 2"). They sound nice and powerful but they are housing aging paper cones and are a bit too warm. I've remedied this by "bi-amping"(i guess you could say) a pair of Sony floor standers(3-way, 8", 3", 1") with the receiver's Speaker B terminals and stacked them on top of the Pios. I'm very happy with the power I'm getting from this set-up and the 1" tweeters on the Sonys really helped out the top end. The response is decent, bass roll-off begins at around 45hz and there is a spike at around 8khz, but it is simply the best audio set-up I've ever owned and has actually initiated a widening of my musical tastes. From skimming the forums, I'm assuming I'm slightly younger than the average member(just turned 30), so you can imagine, I'm just barely breaking out of my limited rock-centric interests. I'm spreading out into indie-rock, jazz and orchestral. The more I listen to more "demanding" music, the more apparent it's becoming that I'm missing that special sparkle I remember from those tiny little Klipsch pro media satellites. It doesn't MOVE me and I know I'm ready to upgrade. I still love to rock, so I think I'm going to need a versatile pair of speakers. So, now that you know a bit about me, here's what I'm looking for. I have a small budget to work with, but it looks like I can find a decent pair of floor standing Klipschs for around $500. The models I'm interested in so far are: -Forte II (or I) -KLF-30 or KLF-20 -RF-35 or RF-3 What do you guys think? I'm interested in the Forte for the raw size and power, but I have a feeling I may be missing out on the sleek, modern sparkle that the RF-35s may offer? The KLFs seem like they would match my power need, but may be a bit harsh? I don't know. It's difficult for me to find a place to audition them around here so I'm just trying to get some suggestions here on how these models differ. Also, any other model suggestions are very welcome. I'm not interested in ditching my Onkyo just yet and have no interest in a subwoofer. I want strong, full-range floor standers with good bass extension. I can't shake the feeling that the RF series has the sparkle I am seeking, while the Fortes may sound a bit too "vintage" to me. Please correct me if I am wrong in my assumptions. For the record, I'm pretty sure that that P-39f would be my dream speaker and the RF-83 would be my ideal speaker if I had $1000 to spend. ANYWAY, I really hope some of you read this and some who read will help me out. I look forward to spending many long nights in your company.

Thank you dtel Hello my ol' Friend, the folded bass bin horn is AMAZING. I was skeptical at first (prior to purchase) after finding out about the SMALL rectangular hole in the back of bin. I don't fully understand how this design can possibly make such good sound, But it DOES!!! no argument Rock on Dennie I can only hope it's enough miner The narrow slot in front of the La Scala woofer increases the airspeed at the start of the bass horn, and allows a regular cone driver to act like a compression driver. Horn speakers have a lot of sophisticated engineering, which is not always obvious when you're looking at a pair of black-painted plywood boxes. Congrats on your new speakers and happy listening!

Thought I'd made a good score on a HDPVR for $8 yesterday, turns out the cable company can't activate it, due to the fact it is still shown as being on the previous owners account...The cable company does this in some sort of attempt to curb theft, apparently it was a real problem, I'm stuck with a nice unit, that can only go to the recycler!! The GOOD NEWS....it came with a Harmony 700 remote that looks like it was never used...

Well what do you know...I did a little research on-line, armed myself with a little more info before calling the cable company again and hey presto! I now have a working HDPVR. Didn't take more than 2 minutes....SCORE!

Congratulations: Reading your story has left a smile on my face. I've lived with mine since 1976 and the enjoyment continues, I wish you many years of enjoyment and listening satisfaction.

Great 2 channel setup Matt! I think you like them over the 7's because you can set pictures and a lamp on them. Proud RF 7 owner, lol.

Definitely a used set of la scala's for the rear is a great investment. I think the mid-range and tweeter are the same as the khorn, so it would be a great timbre match. I ran my la scala's for about two months using RS-62's for the rear/side. When I finally found another pair of LS II's, I was very pleased at how much more life like the surround effect was on multi-channel audio tracks. For example on a good multi-channel recording it's now much easier tell what kind of room the recording was done in. That's not to mention how much better you can hear subtle surround effects, and the fact that the timbre matching makes everything just blend together beautifully.

La Scala's truly a wise choice.

Very nice, congrats. I am sure you will enjoy. Reference is what turned me on to Klipsch, when I herd them at a department store. Then shortly after I went to a friends house who had Cornwalls, and Heresies. It didn't take long before I forgot about the Reference line and saved a bunch on a pair of Heresies off of CL. The rest was history.

agreed on the nice warm sound, my rotel rb990 sounds soo much better than my adcom 555ii, both rated at the same power of 200wpc, but the rotel has a damping factor of like 1000 vs the adcom in the mid hundreds. that probably only effects the bass but the rotel just sounds so much better on the def tech speakers i tested it on briefly. have yet to hook up the rotel to my new to me k-horns, im hoping it will sound much better than the adcom. dont get me wrong, the adcoms are good amps, especially for all out power & bridgeability, but they just dont sound as good as the rotel IMO.. or my onkyo m-504 for that matter. i'm also considering trying the bi-amp thing with the rotel running the tops of the k-horns & an adcom on the bass bins. congrats again on the la scallas, im keeping my eyes out for a pair to add to the k-horns someday.

Take it apart and use it for a project case.

Thanks to craigslist I couldn't afford new ones that's for sure! The LSII's really are gorgeous speakers. I think you can easily get the same or better performance from an older modded pair and save about $700/pair too. I had to drive to FL for one set and to NC for the other, but luckily they came up within a few months of one another. The La Scala mid-range really is that good. So good, the center channel RC-64 in the picture is not even hooked up as the system sounds better with a phantom center channel coming out of the front La Scala's. That's not to mention how life like the bass bin sounds. Drums sound 100% real now. I once listened to the P-39F's on huge mono block amps. I hadn't really heard drums sound like that again until I bought the LS II's. Of course, I'm running two great RT-12d subs that are flat down to 19hz. My subs seem to keep up with the LS II's, but I'm thinking I want to build two 18" subs, each having two passive radiators. I'd like to build a tuba HT instead, but it seems I'd need even more space to run two of those beasts. I was/am a reference fan, but I really feel bad that I listened to the RF-83's all those years thinking they were great speakers. There is no substitute for an all horn loaded speaker unless you plan to spend several thousand/speaker and have the money for huge amps. holy cow... you have four la scala II's?

Percy Harvin could be the X factor in the game. Don't believe me? Just ask any of those "talking heads" on ESPN. I think this game will be close. With the record breaking year that Peyton has had it's hard to pick against the guy.

Yeah baby aint nothing like the big box's. And if your smoothing over the neighbors with cookies then im knocking off the $80 scotch for them, from now on they get NestlesToll House.

If you build or buy a THT from Jason, you will have to take entire meals and wine to your neighbors. Those cookies won't be worth spit as bribery material!! LOL

Isn't amazing how many people go back to Heritage with great satisfaction?

Good choice I say that because I like laScalas, not because I don't like Rf-7's, really I never heard the 7's for more than 5 minutes so it would be unfair. Although I am fond of big plywood boxes as speakers. Oh almost forgot, they look great in your room, very nice.

nice rotel pre, i like rotel stuff too, i have a rb99bx amp i got for a great deal from a local auction. 200wpc & it sounds very nice, much better than my adcom 555ii's. are the rotel preamps rated good? havent looked into their preamps yet, but i'm considering trading the adcom gear for rotel stuff too based on how the 990 amp sounds.

Awesome! I made the switch from my RF-83 setup that I said I'd never sell to La Scala II's off craigslist late last year. I agree about the La Scala sound being better.

Very nice!! I always liked the grill on the front.

Congratulations; roughed it without them for almost a week, since you decided to wait. Isn't that great, the way things worked out?

very nice! i see some adcom gear, what are you running the scallas with?

dogs always be gettin in da way... fact is... he's/she's as proud as you are I am sure... those things are beautiful!

Awesome job ! I went up the food chain, and stopped at La Scala's too. Wow, is appropriate... Cute wuffer, don't hurt his/her hearing !

The frequency sweep - 1 hz to 35 hz - is badly corrupted by harmonics or something. The 3rd one - sweep from 1 to 100 hz is good. My CF-4s are down about -13db at 15 hz, 10 dB at 20 hz and 8 dB at 25 hz from the level at 100 hz - although that's an uncorrected sound level reading on the Realistic sound meter. Corrected, based on values I've found online - CF-4s are down -5.0 db at 15 hz -4.5 dB at 20 hz, -5 dB at 25 hz from the level at 100 hz. While the curve is down, there is still very useful, and powerful, bass delivered by the CF-4s down into the upper teens and twenties.

From the standpoint of resale, a tube tester can be of some value since so many rely on the numbers to decide if a tube is worth purchasing. Of course, that tells nothing about how noisy or microphonic a tube may be. Some sellers and dealers make a very specific comment about those points and refuse to warrant against those issues. As far as your tuners go, the one with poor FM sensitivity could have a bad IF or RF transformer. This is a problem frequently encountered in tuners and receivers. The popping sound in the other tuner may be a tube, capacitor, resistor, IF/RF transformer, solder joint, and so on. Intermittent problems can be very frustrating to pin down, obviously. It may be possible, if it's due to a resistor/capacitor, to find the culprit using a can of component "freeze." But, even that can be misleading. Sometimes one has to force the intermittent to become consistent by "cooking" the equipment- i.e. turning it on and placing a box over it for a few hours to trap the heat in the hope that the cause will manifest long enough to be diagnosed. It's not the greatest procedure, but it does work in some stubborn cases. Maynard

I have tried a couple of Topping amps with high hopes, but was disappointed. The small one had no bass, and the biggest one they make (50 wpc) was very 2 dimensional sounding. They do seem solidly built, but I guess they really don't have what it takes on the inside.

Yes, they cut lows but they don't cut them out entirely. 80Hz I would think is still demanding on an amp.

Most HT's use bass management and cut lows from the speakers. With a sub to do the heavy listening I'd think the amps would do better in HT than 2 channel.

I agree this may be the way to go as long as there's a driver upgrade too. Lots of good 2" throat drivers out there.

That's enough incentive to stay married... Yes, and with my new rule, the proper amount to spend on speakers is $100 times the years married. Next year I will be celebrating my 31st, and I expect a $3,100 set of speakers.

Darn it, it's 14

I have a MC 275 Mk VI and am falling in love with it more and more every day. My speakers aren't quite as efficient as Khorns but does a great job. I would imagine it would be spectacular with yours.

First find a local buddy that runs tubes, see if he will help set you up with something he may have for a test on your system.

I love how much Mark fires up the passion some have for this hobby that no one is really an authority in but so many like to think they are! It's pretty easy to listen to something you like and buy then enjoy the music. I treat audio just like video, I went back several times to Best Buy and watched every 50" LCD and Plasma model until I determined what I considered the best picture and bought it and have enjoyed it for 4 years now and who cares if anyone else likes it or thinks their's is better. Nothing but ego going now, I bought the 50" store brand a couple years later and we love that one as well, wife's TV and she loves it because it's brighter which it is but I/We enjoy both of them. I have two separate systems in the Man Cave and realize what both are and what both are strong and weak at but love them both. Buy what you like, enjoy what you buy and who cares what others think they know:-)

Go the AVS or HT forums.

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A direct radiator sub placed in a corner will have a 90 x 90 polar pattern. Same would go for a woofer with proper placement.... and a fifteen would hold that to ~1kHz or so..... at which point it's easy to find a matching tweeter. I'm not sure polar response / timing is the source of the difference you're experiencing...

That shouldn't be considered odd at all. That's the textbook behavior of an FIR filter....phase-linearity with a specific amount of delay.

Just remember that the Heresys are voiced to be placed on the floor. They actually sound very good and well balanced on the floor and the bass completely falls apart when raised up. There is a change that can be done to the crossover (changing taps on the autoformer) to even them out but you lose efficiency.

Well my wife, and I took a couple of days on a short trip, and Fedex attempted to deliver while I was gone... They called me due to a signature being required, and I told them to keep them at Fedex, and I would come pick them up on Monday. They said no problem but that they would be closed on Monday, and I could get them on Tuesday... Imagine my surprise when I receive a text today about one hour before we got home saying they were delivered! I figured a neighbor must have been home, and signed for them. When I got home I saw the attempted delivery tags but no parts. I asked my neighbors, and no one said they signed for them. I called FedEx, and they said I had signed for them! I told them that that was not possible as I had just got home from a short vacation, and they were claiming I signed for them 1 hour earlier when I was on the freeway heading home. They said they would enter a claim and I would be contacted so I contacted Bob, and he sent me the "Proof of signature"... I looked at it and whoever signed for it did not sign the way I did, and they even got the wrong spelling for the last name. It was interesting that they signed my first name in cursive, and then printed my last name, and still messed it up. I hope that this gets straightened out soon as I really wanted to get the conversion done. At this point I am def not a happy camper!

Do you have any other pics of it so I can see how it is supported from the front? Just trying to see what options there are for connecting the horn to the bass bin. Ellis you may have seen this. These bass bins were built from 1" MDF not a cut down LS. The horn support is not attached to the bass bin allowing me to reposition the top hat as needed. Altec 511B horns, 902 drivers, Beyma tweets. "old school".... A pivoting pistol grip support is attached to the hole in the Altec flange allowing a little height adjustment to the mid and tweets.

Absolutely, take the saw to them... Thats how I do it! Dave

More food for thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHKnztY3Glc in particular 3:09 onward.

This sounds like an interesting site to visit. I have also noted that the percussion in some music is missing or cut vastly due to the loudness war.