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Greetings everyone, Good to be here & hope all of you are doing well. Just picked up a pair of Belle speakers. Decided to pair it with one my monster receiver a Realistic 2100D which turned out to be a very, very nice pairing. Seems to be pushing these Belle's with ease and the sound is so smooth with good detail. Not a lot but pretty good. Bass is adequate while the horns on this speaker is just killing me softly. So damn smooth. Better than my Mach ones. I listen to a lot of jazz so I knew when these came up for sale I'd have to give it a try. Still getting used to horns but these are definitely changing my perception of them. Pics soon. Thank for the read.

The "To be stained" pile is getting smaller.

Trying a new coffee this morning; went from Folgers to Maxwell House (how's that u coffee snobs). Once again an appliance failure, this time the a/c on my side of the house but it's only predicted to be a heat index of 105 today.

Since most of the US is under this hot zone, be careful out there. Wednesday our low temp was 48, today we will have a heat index over 100. That's a huge temp increase. It will take me a while to get used to this heat, if I ever do! My daughter's graduation open house is today, high school just flew by, will college also? Have a great weekend

Thanks guys for the warm welcome.Pic indeed. Here you go. I must confess that I've never been fond of modern Klipsch speakers as I auditioned them against many others. They were a tad to bright and forward sounding.What made me go out on a limb and try these without hearing them I don't know. They were sort of calling out to me. More so from something inside of me that said "BUY THESE!". Much like the Wharfedales Denton's I bought. I'm two for two.

I've had a pair of forte IIs from new and no weirdness nor bass shy, even with the old Yamaha 40 watt integrated. If you buy a recommended used car, but get one with problems, you may also wonder why others raved about it. Get a good one and you understand. Sometimes it is as simple as the particular ones you get, you know, like women. Many rave about them, but if you get a lemon it can taste sour....

Just to make some feel normal, this is what you do when out of options with a 6 hour drive one way and really need want them. Surprised we didn't get pulled over. But to go with the inside of the vehicle idea Cornwall lll's in there boxes will fit it that same jeep with the back seat down, very little room to spare. 2000 Jeep Cherokee. Forte ll's easily in the back, had heresy's in the back for car speakers for a long time but that took to much space to be convenient but it did sound good.

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Looks like you got buried under all the guys you share this day with. Not a bad thing as any daughter of BOXX deserves her own thread. Hope you are enjoying your special day......... Enjoy! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Well, the false wall in my home theater is no more. But in 1 short week, I will be headed to Alabama to load up my new cabinet! Here is a timelapse video of the tear down.

I found a few aspects of your post that I have "bolded" that caught my eye. Typically, lower level listening (65 dB - 75 dB) allows more detail appreciation than listening at very loud levels (90 dB - 100 dB) primarily due to the impact of the Fletcher-Munson curve and equal-loudness contours where the midrange is accentuated and bass / mid bass is de-emphasized. Fletcher-Munson curve In addition, once placement issues are addressed, the Forte series speaker (e.g., I and II) tends to be more difficult to drive in the frequency region below 200 Hz vs. something like the Khorn, La Scala or Heresy; and as the impedance of a speaker dips in certain regions of the overall impedance curve, the amplifier needs to deliver more “current.” Many vintage receivers, new budget receivers and budget amplifiers can become very anemic in the sub-200 Hz range when asked to deliver enough current to properly drive an impedance load around 3.5 ohm. Many of the vintage receivers would have difficulty driving 4 ohm loads; unless you went TOTL and even some of those would have difficulty. The HK430 isn't rated for impedance below 4 ohm; and for example, TOLT Marantz 2325 rated power of 125 watts per channel is not recommended for 4 ohm speaker impedance loads. Although, the Emotiva mini x has both an 8 ohm and 4 ohm rating, while the company has disclosed 8 ohm as 50 watts / channel RMS; continuous into 8 ohms; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; the company has conveniently omitted the frequency response range where 4 ohms can be handled and only discloses 80 watts / channel RMS; continuous; into 4 ohms (we don't know if that means it can only handle 4 ohms from 1,000 Hz through 10,000 Hz or some other range that does not stress the amp like the bass frequency range can stress an amp). Forte II impedance curve Heresy impedance curve La Scala impedance curve Khorn impedance curve There is a good chance that "harsh" is source related as there are many crap recordings on the market. Regarding "shallow" I believe that Deang and willand have outlined a couple of points that I excerpted below that can be significant impediments causing "shallow." Regarding "no punch" you will need an amplifier that can generate enough current to drive the impedance curve portion that is below 4 ohms satisfactorily, along with the portions that hover between 4 ohms and 8 ohms; and that listening experience will also probably require additional volume than the 65 dB or so listening level to overcome the Fletcher-Munson curve. If you have tone controls or equalizer controls, you can give it a bass boost in that area to help overcome the Fletcher-Munson curve for lower level listening. Also, I'm not aware of any Norah Jones music that is significant to the area of the impedance curve in question. Regarding "Heresy speakers sounding more dynamic," the Heresy speaker has a very benign impedance curve that can be driven by most any amplifier/receiver that even remotely has a hint of quality built in. Given the impedance curve of the Forte series, listening distance, and spacing of speakers, none of his receivers/amplifiers would be on my "recommended component" list for Forte speakers. I've listened to a lot of the vintage Harman Kardon receivers and amplifiers over the years and while many were “high current” designs, and noting that the HK430 should be satisfactory on a pair of Khorns or La Scalas, and excellent for a pair of Heresy speakers, given the Heresy benign impedance curve, it would not be at the top of my list of recommend components for the Forte series due to the impedance curve of the Forte dipping below 4 ohms for most of the 100 Hz through 200 Hz frequency range. In relation to the Harman Kardon vintage HK series of receivers, even the HK730 receiver isn't rated for 4 ohms and it was a significant step up from the HK430 design; and totally different as the HK730 used a complementary symmetry amplifier design. I believe that many people confuse the HK430 with the HK730; however, the HK430 actually has much more similarity to the HK330 than it does to the HK730. I believe that the HK330 and the HK430 are basically the same as they both used the same circuit board except that the HK430 tuner circuit board has FM muting section populated, the HK330 does not; and the HK330 has only one power transformer on the 20W rated HK330. .

This afternoon, the false wall will come down. Can't wait to begin installing the new cabinet in 2 weeks and upgrade from a 103" screen to a 150" screen.

Full disclosure: I'm an owner of a pair of Forte II (bought new). I've used literally dozens of various amplifiers/receivers with them over the past 26+ years. My speakers have served in many different sized rooms of all kinds of shapes. Never once have I or any other listener complained about "shy" bass response. Their brilliant versatility is exactly why I chose the Forte II back in 1990 when I was picking a "rest of my life" speaker from the Heritage lineup consisting of Cornwall/Chorus/Forte/Quartet, etc. In my experience, and from decades of reading opinions on this forum, I believe the Forte II is the easiest Klipsch design for the majority of listeners to live with in real-world (ie non-audiophile) situations combined with real-world (ie non-audiophile) choices in electronics. Their measured response goes lower (32Hz) than just about every other Klipsch speaker of their generation and the Tractrix midrange horn eliminates beaming, honking, and all other complaints typically thrown at Klipsch speakers and horn designs in general. I have found them to be far less room-dependent, electronics-dependent, and cable-dependent than any other speaker I've owned. In short, they are the perfect speaker...for me, an ordinary average guy. In fact, my love for my Forte IIs and their phenomenal ruggedness and all-purpose utility prompted me to write about them for the Storyteller contest Klipsch held 15 years ago. My story was judged by none other than Billy Bob Thornton and Henry Rollins. It won second place. My story was proof: I have great speakers. Having said that, I believe you might have a bad set of Crites crossovers. Everything else has been covered by other comments above, but it should be pointed out that if your room isn't the culprit, and your electronics are functioning normally, and phase, drivers, or wiring issues can be ruled out, then a crossover issue is all that is left. I have Crites crossovers on my Forte II. When installed, the bass response was unchanged. I got smoother midrange, clearer treble, and an overall sensitivity gain of a dB or two. But my bass stayed exactly the same. Recommendation: contact Bob Crites and ask for help. I have no doubt that he will work with you to make sure you have a good set of the correct crossovers in your speakers. In the meantime, try reinstalling the original Klipsch crossovers and see what happens. Good luck.

Tromprof met me for a handoff of a LaScala that fit nicely in his Prius and had to be shoehorned into the trunk of my Crown Vic. Years ago when I asked here whether a pair of Khorns would fit in a Dodge minivan, one reply was "why wouldn't you just use 6X9's?" I knew at that point I'd be at home here

Good Saturday morning my friends.............. :emotion-44: Just catching up on the last couple of pages of posts. Nice to see mom's health improving! 70th Anniversary K'Horns YEAH !! Packages and South American men ??!? Hmmmmm. I'll just watch and read OK, a delayed breakfast this morning, waiting for my buddy Pezz to get his auto fixed up this morning, then we will have our skype visit / coffee and good eats. As I type, he JUST got on.............so, time to get the coffee going!! Enjoy your day everyone...........the high winds over the past days have FINALLY stopped! But, T'Storms are predicted today .................Gary

Only listed for 10 months now. Give it some time...

The "ugly" of the speaker's condition speaks for itself. The refrigerator-white paint screams "and don't you forget it!"

A funny addendum. In the course of my purchase of these fine speakers I excitedly loaded them as fast as a tortoise. It was a one man show. Do you know how HEAVY these speakers are to move by yourself? Had to rent a uhaul with the dolly made to move fridges. No help whatsoever. Took THREE hours that would have taken one with help. Yeah, I'm either a weakling or overly cautious. I did take the back roads avoiding freeways thus having an excuse to travel 25mph. Lol. Anyway as I was getting ready to connect these speakers up I noticed two screws that attatch the speaker wire missing on one of them! Panick sets in. Here is something that made it 30+ years and in my care I lost two screws. Oh, man I crawled all over the floor, garage called the rental place to have them look inside the van. I went back to the sale and there they greeted me again asking what's wrong. I told them the truth. "I'm missing a few screws". The ladies laughed. Then I told them what I was looking for. By the luck of the God that looks over people looking for their loose screws I found it against the floor boards. Phew! I had a lucky day.

So the listing says, " all original-price firm" ..... But you can make a offer?? Yea I agree with Mr. Clark.... a bit steep for black Chorus II's.... I'm thinking like $600-$700 tops imho. ...25 year x-overs will be needing some help.... I paid $170 for my Chorus II's..... yea they needed some work.... put about $300 in them..... so I got $470+/- in em... They look "OK" I might be able to get $550 for them. I've seen real nice one's in that $1100 price range.... Chorus II's really nice speaker..... can handle lots power and put out alot of sound....hard hittin bass.... also don't over look Chorus I's Good luck.. MKP :-)

Gordie Howe was once asked why he didn't wear a helmet. After all, he did wear a cup. His reply was, "I can pay other people to think for me..." RIP, Gordie.

Should be placed near corners, and pulled out about a foot or so. The sound should be balanced and even. If you're a bass hound, get a sub. The Forte II is a nice sounding speaker, but it isn't as authoritative sounding as its larger brethren.

Indeed my friend. '05 Outback, two R-115SW's with room to spare One pair of La Scala's, well lets just say I have done that a time or two as well - inches to spare My little Subaru is a Klipsch hauling beast

Down to a matter of days now, Mookie Getting pretty excited. I have told TS Matt to be sure and bring a "hauler". Unfortunately, he hasn't room for the "Black Betty" pair. As far as restoring LS, taking a break for a bit. Running out of room Man...

You started this tread a month ago, and still no amp? You could have rebuilt 40 LaScalas in that time. Make sure Matt brings a vehicle large enough to haul some speakers back with him!

I've seen Matthews haul many speakers in his Subaru Outback! A pair of La Scalas fits just right. Even saw him squeeze 3 Chorus I's in that little powerhouse.

a little tease as to what is just around the corner Matt ♪ ♫ ♪

Volvo V70 carried many different Klipch...with seats down. Matthews carried LaScalas and 2 SW-115's that I think I saw pics of. Seems like it was or is a Subaru Outback. Lol, Is that correct Matt?

The Brits had some great looking cars in the '60's. I recall drooling over the Jags, MG's etc. but also bemoaning the fact that I was just a kid with a part-time grocery job and no funds. Have a good week gang. Will check back.

Went to Perrysburg, OH today to meet with my friend, George, from Toledo. to deliver a Technics SL-1500 and to use a TDA7297 chip amp to let him hear his newly acquired KLF-10s for the first time. https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/164096-found-klipsch-for-toledo-friend/ We met at a British Autos car show at Fort Meigs. The rain seemed appropriate for British cars, I liked this Mini. That's George providing scale. Note the decal in the rear window.

Thanks Tarheel! This is my second system. It consists of a McIntosh MA2275, Clearaudio Avantgarde Magnum, Oppo BDP-105, PS Audio Powerplant Premiere, and 70th Anniversary Klipshorns. Well done my friend!

Thanks Tarheel! This is my second system. It consists of a McIntosh MA2275, Clearaudio Avantgarde Magnum, Oppo BDP-105, PS Audio Powerplant Premiere, and 70th Anniversary Klipshorns.

Ah the first forum member who has purchased a new set of Khorns has surfaced.

A little Willie with my morning coffee.

Oh I recall now. It was all those guys who had never had a martini before proclaimed yours the best......snicker...snicker. No bragging about your package either. We would have to start a new thread "Selected Short Subjects". Or as Groucho said "It's short but not too big around" hehe....... Gotta run my sides are splitting......

New to the forum and I am about to buy a pair of 1985 Klipsch Cornwalls and had a couple of questions. 1) Is 1985 the last production year of the Cornwall I? 2) What does the CII-BR indicate. I was told the BR indicates birch raw and the CII indicates the crossover type. Is this correct? Thanks, Steve G

Here we go again As many of you know, I am crazy about progress threads... Matt of Tool Shed Audio (aka TS Matt) was kind enough to share some of the first photos of my soon to emerge Transcendence 12 mono blocks. These things are going to be awesome and will serve to power the my La Bella bass bins. Putting out a thunderous 12 watts, each. The mid and high frequency is taken care of by TSA Genesis 6 amp and all controlled by Exodus linestage. Yup, fully tube driven and bi-amped La Scala's -WooHoo- So with out further ado, the initial top-plate sketch: ...and the beauty of the day that brought such a smile to me face, the beginnings to the mono block wood bodies that is to hold all the goodness another big WooHoo - stay tuned for updates and thanks for following along, if you so desire Yes, I am a little excited Matt ♪ ♫ ♪

I hadn't planned on doing this but inspired by other threads and convincing my brother he needed to update the crossovers on his H2s, I went and ordered some new crossovers from Bob Crites... Arrived an hour ago...installed the new crossovers and I can't remember when these kg2s have sounded so good, I've owned them since new... The Titanium tweeter diaphragms were first and they cleared up the raspiness of the old and worn original diaphragms...I thought that alone made these pretty good and thought that would be enough...right... I hadn't intended to do the crossovers as the cost more than the speakers would sell for BUT now the speakers sound articulate and airy...no, I don't think these will replace Heresys, Quartets or Chorus lls that I have (all now have upgraded crossovers and all but the Heresys have the Titanium tweeter modification from BEC/Bob Crites) but they sure sound nice and FAR cleaner and clearer than they did before...maybe even better than new since the new diaphragms go higher and cleaner... ​Bob informed me that mine are the first kg2 purpose built new Xovers he has built...cool... Thanks Bob and to everyone here who writes about their gear adventures that inspire me to continue mine. Bill

Good evening gang.... Coffee long done .... The BOSS and I watched a movie this morning " The 5th Wave" ahhhh was ok..... after that we cleaned up the house a good bit. It's just me and her living here now. There was just crapp laying around. I handled the vacuuming and The BOSS did the mopping. Feels good..... Went to the store got some snacks and were getting ready to get some burgers on the grill The Music has been playing all afternoon.... Hmmmmm this empty nest thing we getting use to it Ceptorman...... have a good night at the graduation.... congrats to her.... yea, it's fly by.... USNRET..... stay cool my friend.... yea it's quite warm here today..... Tigerman.... yea we got some storms down here in MD that might roll in.... holding off for now... Chuck.... were you at..... busting up concrete ...... OK gang have a good night... MKP :-)

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Being difficult for me to compare back to back a stock KHorn with my Fastlane Elliptrac KHorn with extreme slope networks I was able to listen to a new stock KHorn in the listening room at Hope. In that room I found the stock horns to be much more forward and in your face than mine. But again I was sitting much closer than at home, I listen to tubes amps vs. an inexpensive SS integrated used at Hope so environments are varied for sure. But I find my Horns very smooth, no bite at all and a huge soundstage across a full 22 foot front. I can't imagine anyone being disappointed with a better damped and larger mouthed Fastlane horn. Sounding as good as my Horns do is what is keeping me from investing in Jubes.

I fit h700's (heresy's) in the back seat of my Honda civic si sedan.

When did this become about my package? Carl and large package? Isn't that an oxymoron?

WOW! The humidity is killing me! Just got through repairing the garage door on the shop that had a cable slip off one of the spools. The AC filter framing is not finished yet and working up next to the ceiling is murder. Now, I hope the rain holds off long enough for me to finish framing and Sheetrock around the new AC unit in the shop. Hope everyone has a great weekend!

Enjoy your stay in the lower 48. I'll bet it's quite a bit warmer down here right now. Great city to watch a baseball game! No kidding on the baseball! but alas the birds are out of town right now and I head home tomorrow.

Ah jeez!! Looks more like his birthday suit! Happy Birthday, Mark, if it's true. (Hope you're not using this pic to launch a modeling career!!) Cheers...........

Afternoon all..... All done with the movies.... Got some jams going on at the house.... Blowing the dust of the EV's and warming up the Crown.... The EV's and KP's are friends as well as the Crown and Carver's....they will be supplying the tunes for my friends party this weekend.... I'm no DJ...... just doing my part to get some music at a party.......well The BOSS might call me DJ "white boy" lol lol Just for some info...... the KP's kill the EV's in the bass department.... Later...... MKP :-)

Hey there MPK..........sorry about the birdies! You know, they won't soil their nest, and that is why you are seeing that action! Also on your central AC... Ours was installed back in 1991, it is a York and still runs beautifully, unit outside is just as quiet as our neighbor's brand new Heil !! (which replaced an older Heil with failed compressor!) They got money, should have bought a York hopefully they will have better luck.. Excellent report Chuck, send photos of this work please ?? Ok, THIRD cup of coffee almost finished, time to put on some lunch... (left over from last night's dinner...) ........Gary

Man you guys are rough on me..... I'm getting a "little" tired of it...... MKP :-)

Maybe a couple of Toyota "Guys" picked him up for working on all those Hondas!

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