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I'm not a reproduction purist. I do not understand the desire to have nothing between a recording and my ears. We are listening after all to what some recording engineer/producer/mastering engineer and the artist decided we should be hearing. If they are messing with all types of equipment to manipulate the signal(s) recorded why shouldn't I do the same at the reproduction stage if it makes it sound better to me?

Yes could be velcro...mine were. Careful with those 125 pounders. Most damage occurs when moving them. Hernia territory. @Mycuff

The level of annoyance that you experience here may indicate a hearing sensitivity that some people develop at various frequencies ( hyperacusis ) . This could be at play here , equalization can help in situations like this , but if you’re listening at high enough levels , it will again become apparent . Not saying that this is your problem , but this is not uncommon , although it is more prevalent at higher frequencies. I have a sensitivity centered around 2500 hz ,showing up mostly with pure tones . There is nothing wrong with using good eq , after all our perception of sound isn’t likely to be flawless and may even be damaged ,so it may need a little help .🤓

strong icy winds and 14F here, but sunny 😊 after close to two month w/out real daylight it´s a revelation

The handles would be the first to go, if I had them. LOL.

Storm started rolling through this morning, still not done, may not be done until tomorrow. Fortunately, the temps have been around 33/34, so not much accumulation. They at one point were predicting 10"s, guess we'll see what tomorrow brings.

Interesting note. Mark Chatfield is going back on the road ASAP since Bob Seger retired. Mark is replacing Bruce Kulick from Grand Funk Railroad. 23 amazing years touring with a group that originated in Flint, MI. and has withstood the test of time for more than 50 years. Mark and Bruce are long time friends and GFR is doing a "Loco-Motion" tour this year. 23 years for Bruce and Mark's 40 year stint w/Bob? It's a zero brainer if ya think about it. Should be a great tour. The first of 40 tour stops will take place on Friday, January 12th at Ledyard, Connecticut’s Foxwood’s Casino. I remember Seger hitting Cbus at the old Sugar Shack and Mark was telling me one day he was gonna play lead for him. I told him to tell Bob that and he did. Seger told him if he could bring it to let him know. Funny cause he did it. 40 years with him and when Bob retired Mark went back and has been packing the house w/his old band "The Godz" here in Ohio. Then the phone rang. lol Trust me he can git it and will be a great add to GFR! Most sites are casino gigs but what better place to kick back and enjoy an evening? Check me out! Laced w/a few Seger hits ya better buckle up. Great ticket prices and a good time for sure!

That's a loaded question imo. I think there's many different ways you can get the sound you want - or there's only one real way - and that's as unique as you are. Playing with the toe, EQ, tone controls, sources, and dampering (also room acoustics, but that's not always that simple) are your best bets. I would also recommend an XO rebuild. I think they'd benefit fairly well from that and possibly help that brightness a bit.

Wrapping the old Heresy slant monitors with Maple veneer. Still a lot more work to do.

Mostly when they leave!

Fwiw, the original RF-7s do GREAT with music when set up correctly. I upgraded constantly until I got these bad boys 20 years ago. I auditioned for another couple of years and then decided we were set!

I don’t consider shaping of frequency response to be a non-audiophile endeavor. There is a reason why the high quality, now vintage, amps and preamps had tone controls. For years I have included an “ear bleed filter” in all my designs to allow the high frequency response to be altered to suit individual taste. Besides, many consider all tube amps to be nothing more than tone controls with gain. Maynard

Wouldn’t room correction hear this and minus it out from listening positions? Might have to play to see though I don’t like what room correction comes up with. My sense is that speakers are also instruments and all instruments resonate. It’s part of the experience. Who wants to hear a non-resonant instrument? But yea if it’s too loud just pull that peak down. There will be other room peaks to deal with as well as the peaks and valleys in your own set of ears.

Made wings for the game. Devil's Furnace made for some pretty fiery fare.

I assume mine are stapled based on vintage. Will verify if I can ever get them out of my SUV! The combination of weight and size make it a two person lift for sure.

In the real world the “Circle Of Confusion - Floyd Toole” is rampant and to use tools (ie: EQ and Tone Controls) to compensate (ie: even correct in some circumstances) doesn’t make you a “non-audiophile” and a member of the masses as you describe. The better your system and the more revealing the system the more obvious the differences are in recordings and proper use of Tone Controls and EQ is a valid choice. Do all recordings sound perfect to you? If not then what do you do when they don’t? Do you not listen to them and only listen to “perfect recordings” ? Well designed equipment like my McIntosh C50 pre-amp has 8-band Tone Controls that can be bypassed on really good recordings and engaged when less than ideal recordings are played and this allow me to enjoy a wider range of recordings that otherwise I couldn’t. miketn

the Dealer installed optional grilles with klipsch fabric and klipsch copper badges were stapled

Just to relate a bit… I was watching some YouTube hifi audio reviews last night through my AL5s (AppleTV->Yamaha RX-A8A->Yamaha C-5000->Yamaha M-5000-> AL5s). I know, sounds crazy to listen to hifi reviews through hifi. I have become accustomed to how many of the reviewers sound through the AL5s. I noticed one reviewer sounded more husky and less intelligible than what I remember. Now mind you the reason I love and live with the AL5 is exactly this mid bass effortless throw without the boomy sound I commonly hear from speakers with smaller diameter woofers. But, a quick check on MusicCast and yep bass and sub were boosted all the way from my son watching a thriller. So I moved them back to flat and intelligibility was restored and no more overly husky voice. Low frequencies literally bust up higher frequencies in travel to the ear. There’s a war in the air! My point in saying this is that I read and watch a lot of people comparing the different ways amps and speakers sound as if they are “only swappable” rather than what I, studios and live performances do which is “tunable”. If I can’t get the sound I want with bass and treble controls, or some of the other sound attenuation at the ready, I will usually realize something is not working with my levels or my PEQ configuration and I will go adjust there, select another premade or custom profile. I will also try switching to Pure Direct to quickly rule in or out something I’ve done to modify the source material. My guess is in some rigs people don’t have these controls. I couldn’t live without them, and in fact the other day I was playing some old CD and record source on directly connected to the C-5000 a fully balanced preamp with only bass and treble controls and I reminded myself to think about moving my sources so I could do more eq with them via the AVR, since my modern sources sound great through this chain and going into the same preamp, but the source is the output of an AVR with all the peq and adjustments wizardry that makes things sound the way I like. In my 2-channel only-days, I remember trying a cheap equalizer and while I was able to “fix” some source material, I didn’t like the added noise in the chain, but those noise days are over with digital peq. So what I’m trying to say is that the AL5 will do what you want in your room because it is way underutilized in most day to day home use cases so it has the headroom to be altered or in your case toned down in the frequency range that is bothering you, but you may need more source controls that what a purist pre-amp+colored or uncolored amp can do. But I was also watching a reviewer saying that sensitive speakers like AL5 reveal everything from high powered noisy signal chains so basically all his “size matters” gear is junk with a good speaker. Back in the old days when I was first getting into the hobby a dealer told me about noise floor and other problems caused by high power amps, even good ones. My budget couldn’t afford a big amp anyway but he was right, in that a lower powered amp had a non-detectable noise floor and had a way of opening up the music in ways that I would later discover was lost when I replaced it with more power on the same Chorus speakers which are also high efficiency though nothing like the AL5s. I could get more bass with the new amp (Sony) and play louder and cleaner, and I learned to adjust, but I missed the air of the low power Denon for low to moderate volume. So if your amp is for some reason not playing flat you could fix it by altering the source, ie lowering the levels of frequencies that it is boosting, as well as adjusting for the room acoustics. Luckily the artists agree and have been incorporating modern eq in their live performances to make old songs sound even better and some will remaster/re-perform old lifeless recordings. But I do appreciate hearing my old stuff sound literally exactly the way I remember from the 80s when I want to. That is a testament of good gear that has a clean flat signal chain. It takes me right back to my college dorm and my room at childhood home, to my first digs as a young adult. After a song or two, then I’m ready for the newer bigger than life sound again from a room adjusted PEQ signal chain. However if I’m working at home and want background music I do prefer a less “in your face” presentation and will tone it down. Now that I described it, I’m going to enjoy some low flat background music while I work and hope you will too! Oops there I go again, had to boost both bass and treble for Bush The Science of Things, for it to sound good at low volume from CD. I know half of us hifi guys will never get a self-driving car with no ability to drive ourselves. We want the knobs. Fiddlers unite!

The grills on my LS were also held on with velcro... I used a guitar pick (heavy) to go between the edge of the grill and cabinet. Pry loose. The grill shouldn't break. That's a steal at that price. Welcome to the forums.

If it contributes to you enjoying music more, then it's all good. That is, after all, what we want, right?

Who will probably flip them for several times what you sold them for.

I am running them large. That was the first thing I changed. I do find them still a bit brighter than I like but one step at a time

100% rain tomorrow w/30mph winds but we'll see. Get back to us @Invidiosulus. As if. Bosses can't listen otherwise they're not a boss but maybe. Still werkin night shift here for some insane reason. Day 4 and it's crazy.

Sounds like a great day to whup somebody's a$$

Someone needs to have a talk with your boss.

Excellent question.

We’ve got a two hour delay for the kid’s school in the morning, possible cancelation if things get bad enough. I’m supposed to drive down the mountain to Statesville for a dept meeting on Wednesday, I guess I’ll see how things are by then. For said meeting, my boss messaged us today asking about suggestions for lunch. The Dominican girl that works for us and I both quickly piped up and suggested the local Mexican place. We quickly got another couple votes for the Mexican place the dept chat. At that point the boss dropped the link to order on DoorDash and told us to let him know what we wanted to order. Why choose Mexican food if you can’t sit around stuffing your face with chips and salsa while you wait for your food to be delivered hot and sizzling fresh to your table?

that's the storm that came thru here yesterday. It did make it to 50` today.Talk of 20` for a low tomorrow AM.

And I'm glad you enjoy it also!

They fit nicely in the back of my Durango. I probably won't get them out of the car until tomorrow. Current plan, subject to any other advice on this forum, is to dsconnect, clean with deoxit, and reconnect all speaker connections to the XOs. If tweeter and/or mid still dead, I'll swap each to the other speaker and try again. Is a silent tweeter a sign of a bad diaphragm or should I still have a blown speaker sound to it? Hoping the fact that both are silent but one on each speaker is due to the connections. Fingers crossed.

@KT88 keep in mind Amir would probably never recommend any of our “beloved” Tube Amplifiers based on their measurements. Measurements are definitely important but they hardly tell the complete story at the stage we are currently living in and it all ultimately has to pass the “Listening Experience of a Human” in the real world. miketn🙂

I’m in his camp also and I can hear the difference and I also own the First Watt F3 and when using it with my La Scala AL5 it’s great and maybe(its very close) my favorite even over my Cary CAD 2A3 amps with the La Scala but it doesn’t solve less than ideal recordings or other issues that Tone Controls and DSP all when properly used can compensate for. Combine them both and my music sounds even more natural and realistic. 🙂 No point in continuing down this road since it’s like trying to change someone’s religion where you believe what you want and I’ll do the same but I just don’t care for how easily some people want to judge what is right or wrong and basically say those who use Tone Controls and DSP aren’t discerning listeners. ( ie: BS) miketn🙂

Until I bought the MCM1900s, my heaviest speakers were the Polk SDA SRS at 185 pounds each.

. Will this be your first pair of Klipsch speakers? If they are stock, then they will have the K77 tweeters , K55V drivers on the K700 horn < that is for mid-range frequencies , and either the K22 or K42 woofers , for the bass. And the cross-over networks might need new capacitors and there is only one place you can buy them. I love this--thanks for some much needed comic relief, W&T!!!

order and got the parts express parts... gonna try to repair it this week.... thanks guys , wish me luck

It’s time to post something to make us laugh and the second & third video to scratch your head in wonder

... and if I was serving it, I suppose it would be a pot roast weather today winter... about 50`, windy, and threatening rain. Hard freeze tomorrow AM. We might see some snow. I doubt it will stick. That is close enough for me. UGH! y'all are gonna love this system when it gets east of here

I didn't see if you were running a sub but if it can keep up with the RF-7s I'd set a crossover (60 to 80 hz) to relieve some stress on the AVR. Of course, if you don't have a sub set the speakers to large. That's my 2 cents

@Tom05 You're absolutely right about the recordings. But perhaps you missed it in my previous messages; I had the CW4 at home until recently and reconnected these speakers for three days. As good as the CW4 is, the AL-5 is my preferred choice in terms of sound. However, on the CW4, every song that exhibited a sort of thickening on the AL-5 just sounded good. So, without diminishing the fantastic sound experience I have with the AL-5, there's sometimes a kind of thickening on a frequency that, while I've grown accustomed to it, I would like to eliminate.

It's not great but my semi-day job is an audio engineer and my mixing monitors have much more high-end.

Got the last thing needed for the car. Now I wait for the next AutoX! I'm still surprised that I can put 275's on all 4 corners and not rub.

Welcome @Remy65

The deal of the day is Thad's offering for the LaScala bass bin with the ESS tops along with an amp and digital crossover.

My advice... fix this first... But I know nothing...Randy will tell you that.

I assume that you, Flevoman, also hear this resonance in other songs. But it would actually be very helpful to know it in this specific song, and at what point in the song, in order to be able to understand it in my home. Not with the intention of relativising your perception, but to get an idea of which constellation of sound it is in which minute. I don't want to anticipate anything, but if the issue is centred on a few songs or even one, I have another idea. There are recording peculiarities that, crazily enough, only come to the fore with a high-resolution speaker like La Scala. That's why it's important to be able to distinguish between what's part of the recording and what's part of the LS.

Everything resonates to some extent... even my teeth resonate.

who cares about the Korner or AK