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No wonder why my electric bill was so high.

i’m gonna crash now; but, i put the coffee on for you early morning guys. drink up! I’ll sleep in, since i have the day off (again).

It’s 12:33 am and it’s been a long day; but, a fun one. My brother and I spent the afternoon messing around Hollywood, then the evening at the Hollywood Bowl watching David Gilmour. The show was fantastic. Oh, and the marijuana was free...everyone in the place got a “contact” high--and we’re outdoors mind you. Can’t recall the last time i saw so many people toking ... including the old man sitting next to me. I think he was there with his son because there was a physical resemblance. The son was firing up numerous times and I was thinking “well, i guess the Dad doesn’t care and the Dad must be driving.” Then i notice the pipe getting passed to old guy and he starts hitting it. By the way, have i mentioned how much i hate the Hollywood Bowl? Iconic venue and all that; but, the most inconvenient venue that i’ve ever been to. About 500 yards of walking with very tiny baby steps, people all around you, bumping into you like a pinball machine...and the parking lot is stacked parking--that was ok this time because i went and parked the car four hours before the show, so my car was the first one in front of the exit. If any of you watch the Jimmy Kimmel show, you saw the back of me walk by on tonight’s show. They had a camera crew on Hollywood Blvd talking to people as i walked by. Was tempted to photo bomb; but, didn’t. I was too hungry to goof around. Lastly, Mr. Gilmour kindly did my two favorites...Shine on You Crazy Diamond and Coming Back to Life. I was never a big fan of the song Run Like Hell from The Wall; but, that song really lends itself to a live performance. The concert was complete with lasers and a fireworks show. David Crosby was there and sang three songs--he butchered Comfortably Numb though.

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Rolling out a little early this morning so the DD is flowing and it's off to Sandusky for a meeting. Everyone has a great day!

Morning gang.... Sounds like a fun night Steve....glad you had a good time.....and enjoy your day off.... Well The BOSS said we were going to be closed today....and we kinds are....but I have to go in and finish two cars for the used car guys.... Aftet I do that I'm gonna work on my Honda Pilot...I still didn't get the engine in it yet..... I'm thinking about changing how I'm going to do this.....instead of swaping the whole engine out I'm thinking about pulling the cylinder heads off and putting the heads on from the replacment engine...it's gonna be a let's less work....I couldn't swap out a set of heads in a afternoon....the price I paid for the replacment engine I couldn't of got a set of heads.... OK gonna roll....keep ya posted....a good Friday to all..... MKP :-)

46 here. Crazy weather. My wife and daughter are in New Braunfels visiting her Dad. She said it was a little chilly there. At least we're not getting the blizzard like conditions like Wisconsin and Minnesota.

46 here. Crazy weather.

Im jealous too Steve. He is coming to Chicago, I tried to get tickets but couldn't find any without paying WAY over face value. I saw him with Floyd about 33 years ago, I would love to see him again. It's a crisp 34 degrees here this morning, another crazy weather shift. Yesterday it was 15 degrees colder 2 hours north of me, and 20 degrees warmer 2 hours south of me.

A beautiful day....overnight rain washed the pollen down a bit leaving the air much fresher. Breakfast with about ten other geezers....we are a loud group as half are deaf and the others can't hear. Did not win the Lucky For Life lottery last night but have a megamillion ticket for tonight That's about it for now.

Super jealous Steve. Sounds like a great show. Happy Friday all, may your work day fly by.

I probably wore mine out, or tore it up, I don't even remember what was on it.

Well, these suckers are huge. Luckily the owner had a hand crank lift that got them on the truck easy enough. Sound wise they of course sound amazing, though I know I'm not getting the most out with them being on such a short wall. With them snug in the corner, the mpl is about three and a half feet from where we sit, and its very noticeable. After I shot this pic I toed them out as much as a could. The sound stage improved but of course the bass took a hit. With that being said, I'm probably going to have to let them go. The Scalas, I feel sound best in my living room, and until we get our own home with a large enough wall, the K-horns are going to have to be a later purchase. Also, their condition was not excellent. The pictures the guy took were a little misleading. They are by no means in bad shape, I'd actually say very good, but they have more than a couple superficial abrasions, some chips to the veneer, and fading to the wood, due to them being next to the window for the past 10 years. However, I was able to get them cheaper because of it. I'll make another post with more pics, and selling info.

Steve glad you and your brother had a good time, if you fail your next drug screen just tell them tou went to the Hollywood Bowl for a David Gilmore concert, they may understand.

Garry made me laugh. I will miss that and him. RIP Garry. If you want to watch a funny movie check this one out.

Well that's great news, I am happy..................and a little scared

Approved but he must attend the 2016 gathering for re-initiation

I think we will propose a toast to Ms. Valerie during the Pilgrimage....RIP

That's good news, it's hard to beat an exact matching center.

I bought a couple of refurbished Lenovos for both my son and myself from Newegg. They came with i5 processors and I swapped out the HD for solid state drives. Total spent on each was under $250 and the machines are super fast.

I paid $200.00 for my RF-25's 2 years ago. The matching center is good at $100.00 (about average). I'd offer $250.00 max on the RF-25's. The "matching" that you are referring to is for the timber match on the tweeters, and speaker types. That gives the best sound quality and is supposed to be "seamless" on the audio going from left-center-right and vice versa. By matching, none of the speakers will overpower the others.

Lets be careful here. Resolution and accuracy and precision are 3 different things. Sorry to chime in here, I have 30 years experience in Test and Measurement. Imagine a dart board. Resolution would mean that there are many sectors. The smaller the sector or square the better the resolution. So for an ohm meter this means what is the smallest digit. Precision would mean that when you throw the darts they always land close together. So repeated measurements are always close together. But not necessarily with bullseye accuracy Accuracy means you can throw darts and hit the bullsey. So you can be precise, bunching up the darts but be consistently away from the bullseye. This is like a gun sight that is not adjusted properly, Or a measurement instrument that has a known offset or is not calibrated. You can usually account for this. Low precision often means lots of noise. You can be accurate, with the darts in a circle around the bullseye, but not bunched up. So you can be accurate but not precise or repeatable from measurement to measurement. Normally if you average accurate but imprecise dart shots you should be on the bullseye. So what specification is important for this particular low resistance measurement. Resolution is only part of it. You MUST look at accuracy. the VC480 Precision Milliohm Meter on ebay states: 2 Ω range, resolution is 1 mΩ accuracy is ±(0.5%rdg±3) So for the 2 ohm range, measuring a 1 ohm resistor, with 1 mohm resolution, accuracy is 0,5% of the measurement plus 3 x the resolution. Or 5 plus 3 milliOhms or 8 milliOhms Not bad actually It is accurate and Precise! The Fluke 87V has the following specs Resistance Maximum resistance 50 MΩ Accuracy ±(0.2% + 1) Maximum resolution 0.1 Ω So for a 1 ohm resistor, the accuracy is 102 milliohms not good! Yet it is accurate, but not precise enough. Internal circuits cannot generate clean low currents and measure low voltages well because of noise. You can do others yourself. The reason you need 4 connections (this is called force-sense, or Kelvin connection) is to avoid including in the measurement the voltage drop across the leads that carry the current. So you force a known accurate current through one pair of wires, and measure the voltage across the resistor with a separate sense connection.

Ms Valerie was Paul's soulmate and the love of his life. She was his guardian, and tempered his persona in many significant ways. "Feisty" she was, but with that sense of humor, she was gracious and kind to all that had the unique privilege of meeting her. May she be at peace, and is certainly reunited with Mr. Paul.

Let's not discuss "straying"... It's like when I told my ex-wives over the years, "Tanks for the Mammaries"... Current beloved of 30+ years, also known as SWMBO, has pulled me in, given me the proper instructions to survive, and has already implemented a "warning point" system...

Speaking of hurricanes, a little bit of nostalgia. When Marshall was changing out his vintage Sansui integrated amplifiers to vintage McIntosh, I bought one of his restored Sansui AU-11000 integrated amplifiers to go along with my Sansui TU-9900 tuner (modified by Radio X Tuners). The AU-11000 is a beautiful piece of 1970s nostalgia, was dead quiet, gotta love the massive power supply in these old Sansui integrated amplifiers, headphone jack, features and knobs everywhere you look, and, of course, a MONO switch when it’s time to critically compare stuff. Now, of course, his packing skills were so exemplary too, as I thought he had either packed the Sansui in order to withstand a hurricane or maybe he had mistakenly packed two integrated amplifiers, given how big and heavy of a box. On a side note, I had always thought he left the forum when the old spam patrol uniforms were introduced.

Walked in the office and this was on one of the chairs....My wife....AKA- MKP's BOSS got it for me.... Got a few pic's of it at the house this morning.... Stoney the cat was giving it his approval.... MKP :-)

This is sad news. RIP Mrs. Klipsch.

RIP Valerie.

This is a Good thing! Glad to see YOU Back Groomlakearea51

Now don't forget Mrs Valerie was a character even at 100, that toast was with her Margarita, as Dave said " fiesty " and she sure was. She also had a great sense of humor, but after being with PWK for so long it's no wonder. To give you an idea, we were finished eating and just talking and out of no where she says to everyone at the table " You do know that I am the first lady of audio ? (then she paused a few seconds and said ) HA BIG DEAL " then laughs.

Well that's a bummer, I guess. Build a house around your Khorns

Congrats on having in my opinion one of the best speakers Klipsch ever made. Check out the below link for other owners of this fine speaker. As far as recommendations POWER give them lots of it I have an old Macintosh 2105 powering mine and love it. The recommendation for emotive is a good bang for the buck as well as the older Carver TFM series. Good luck and let us know what you end up with. https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/159405-klipsch-epic-owners-group/?hl=epic

I had those growing up as well. Mom always threw everything out that was no longer used.

Those are cool, I remember when I was a kid you could get a set, matching lunchbox and small thermos. Just think if back then you just bought up sets like that and some of the older toys, it would be a pretty good investment at today's collector prices.

Congratulations on the Stanley; however, I'm sure that along with myself, BigStewMan might also be slightly disappointed you did not go with Bullwinkle or Foghorn Leghorn. .

I rolled a truck on the Baltimore beltway..... I was all drunk and "highed" up......My index finger was ground away....the thumb was ripped off....my middle finger middle joint is fused and my ring finger end joint is fused..... They put the thumb back on....but it also is fused... Oh and the truck I rolled was a really nice 71 Ford Bronco.... it "was" nice..... Just glad I'm not 6' under MKP :-) At least you can still hitch a ride if need be. Glad you made it through alive.

Still good morning from the far northwest. It's my Friday this week and I hope you all have a great Easter Weekend. Sorry to hear of Valerie Klipsch's passing.

The Klipschorns have safely arrived at their new home. Here are some pictures of the tops in the sunlight. The woodgrain looks 3-Dimensional, and different viewing angles of the irridescent rosewood create color shifts from reddish brown to gold. Indoors they appear much darker, but halogen spotlights bring out a beautiful glow.

For me the perfect match was another Forte ll, using parts from one for a center would not make it much smaller at all. Center for an all forte ht (6.1), it works great even in a wide room 24', the mains are on the side walls. Rear 3 are hidden in that pic, there above the sofa behind that beam on an angle downward. Sub is a spud all the way along the right wall behind other speakers.

This was actually yesterday, but here it is: KLF-30 in light oak KLF-C7 in black KSP-S6 in black Definitive Technology Powerfield 1800 subwoofer Carver Preamp CT-3 Carver Surround Sound Processor DPL-33 Carver Poweramp TFM-35 Proscan Laserdisc player with over 50 movies/concerts Sony 5 disc CD/SACD player

I am looking at a new lap top. As my current one is over 7 years old. It just doesn't have the processing power I would like. I am thinking of upgrading. I have looked around at big box stores, Best Buy, NFM. They both offer a good deal on laptops with 15.5" screens. One has an ADM processor (a5 I believe) for $250.00. The one at NFM has a Intel I3 for $400. Is the I3 worth the extra $150.00. I will be using it for basic home work and net surfing, along with music play back. My goal is to get my media server up and running, so I do not need a lot of hard drive space. All recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks, I've since switched the stand for one that will give the receiver good ventilation....

Luckily I do!

Awesome. Welcome back.

Haha I just stumbled upon this thread and spent the last 10 minutes looking for the plaque on the Klipsch website only to double check and see that this thread was made over 10 years ago. Safe to say the plaque is no longer available?

It looks like this has a really crude routing job for the ports on the horn... Bruce

I celebrate her life and her graduation. May the faithful departed rest in light eternal.

Not to complicate the discussion but you DO NOT need a digital processor/active crossover to use the 510 and 402 horns. I have the system in my avatar running the very complicated dual digital processors/crossovers setup and 5 amplifiers........Excellent in all regards. Love it. Uses 402 and 510 horns. I also have a PURE ANALOG system on the other side of the room with passive crossovers and tube preamp and amps using 402 and 510 horns as well. The ONE THING YOU MUST HAVE in this setup is an EQ. I use a DBX analog graphical EQ that can take care of EQing the 402/510 setup just fine (used on the tape monitor loop of the preamp). Roy Delgado tested this exact setup for many of us to hear in Hope. It works and it is easy to use. Saves a lot of money on processors and multiple amplifiers. It also saves money on your passive crossovers because there IS NO EQ IN THE CROSSOVER. You set the EQ yourself. I highly recommend this FIRST for those interested in the 402 and 510 horns but not yet experienced in active crossovers. My source equipment feeds both of these systems I mentioned so I can easily A/B test between them and while they do not sound exactly the same, it is hard to tell the top ends apart. Using a microphone and RTA the curves are virtually identical. In fact I used the curves from my big MCM setup to adjust the EQ on the analog system.......until they were the same. Simple to do. 20 minute job with an RTA. This setup WORKS GREAT. JWC has been over and listened to this many times. Perhaps he will comment if he sees this. I would put this setup up against anything in a room and I'm sure it would do just fine.

turning on an iron and melting solder balls would not be what i consider "knowing how to solder". but i'm just a snarky jackass...

Which Bennics? Do not buy the polyesters or the electrolytics. Stay with the Dayton Audio brand, the sound is better. The stock 18uF is in the low pass section. Leave it alone. The RF-7 and RC-7 have an LCR circuit. Modifying the circuit reduces some ringing exhibited by the cones. The RF3/RF-3II don't have this circuit. Even without the circuit modification, you'll easily hear improvements in cleanliness and openness. The Mills resistors are an absolute must if one of your goals is to take some of that edge off of the top. There are some that don't notice it, mostly the casual listeners who aren't really paying attention to anything except the music (the blessed ones). However, reduce or remove the ringing, or any other distortion artifact, and well, it's fun to watch the light flick on. One of the more fun demonstrations I've done in the past is to re-install the stock networks after having installed the modified versions. I once had a local customer who was so paranoid about whether he would like the difference or not, that he bought a second pair of networks from Klipsch. He asked me if I would do the install for him, and even though I wasn't real thrilled about the idea, he was so nice to me that I went over and did it for him. He was blown away by the improvement, and I ended up spending the afternoon with him. After a couple of hours he commented that he couldn't even remember how they used to sound. Thirty minutes later we were back to stock. A minute or into a Clapton CD, he said, "I'm so happy you came over today." You don't have to worry about not hearing an improvement, you will. @Michael; I was disappointed that the battery biased/charge coupled networks didn't catch on -- such a smart, cost effective solution. After I dealt with the objections in the Roadshow Thread (with the help of Mark Deenen and a couple of others). I really thought it would fly. I built my own charge coupled Type AAs and compared them to my Jupiter build. I was a little depressed after a few days of listening because I realized I didn't have a clear preference. The Jupiter AAs just sounded so balanced and precise - pinpoint imaging at the chair - and so clean. The Charge Coupled build surprised me with the spaciousness of the presentation. I was happy to notice the obvious increase in cleanliness, which was the main thing I was after, but the spacious quality was pretty cool, and I wasn't getting it to the same extent with the Jupiter build. However, I always end up falling on the side of accuracy, and a thing I call "rightness". I know it sounds ridiculous, but some things just sound "right" and some things don't. The Jupiters and Jensens also sound "fat". This is difficult to explain - it's like the sound has more substance or weight. So, I would imagine you'll notice these things too, and it'll be fun hearing what you have to say. You mentioned something about getting the impression that this is pretty easy and should only involve a few parts. Okay, I'm confused, because this is exactly what I did. Two capacitors and two resistors IS easy. I told you what brands to use, and where to find them, right? I also told how to figure out what values you needed without needing a schematic. At this point, all this required was a bit of web searching and some initiative. I resent the implication that you didn't get the help you asked for. This is one of the reasons Al and myself decided to stop supporting DIY efforts. I once said to Al, "If someone doesn't know how to read parts values, doesn't know what they need or where to find it - they have no business doing this work, and I'm not about to let myself get sucked into their black hole project." What kills me is that all of this information is available just by doing searches with Google. If you can't do the simple stuff, what happens when things go sideways on you? I've received plenty of help over the years by several, but I've also spent a lot of time educating myself. No one wants to help someone who doesn't put forth any effort. Then there is the issue of quality of work. I personally don't think you should be learning on a production set of boards - you could easily find yourself having to order a new set of crossovers from Klipsch (if they even have any). Removing the old parts is actually more time intensive than putting the new ones in. The glue is a pain, and the logical approach, or it would seem - would be to use a screwdriver and just pop the parts off. But before that, you need to remove the old solder to release the leads from the board. Do you know how to use desoldering braid? I'll assume "yes" so we can move forward, but I suspect "no". So, you flip the board and get the screwdriver under the cap so you can lift it up and remove it from the board - but what happens instead is that screwdriver immediately slides under the cap and hits the coil behind it, ruining it. Yes, yes, I know this because I've done it! Then there are the standoffs that the screws feed through. Those crack or split pretty easy just by turning the screw to loosen it. The metal of the screw adheres to the hard plastic, and when you go to turn the screw, it's like the screw and the standoff are one part, and as the screw turns, it takes the standoff with it. This happened to me three or four times early on, and I had to use the serial numbers from my own RF-7s almost a half dozen times to order replacement crossovers due to my stupidity. With PCB work, aesthetics isn't always an indicator of the quality of the work. The Chorus is a good example. Klipsch used an electrolytic for the midrange. To get a film type in that spot takes an unusual approach. Because the new parts are larger, I can't mount any of them in the conventional way. Because of this. I have to practically pot the network to protect the capacitors from mechanical vibration. It doesn't nice, but it's light years ahead in performance to the stock layout, where the junk parts are for the most part supported just by their leads. The last pair I did apparently left the customer less than pleased, because he sent me an email asking what kind of glue I used - because he couldn't get it off. When I asked him what he was doing, he didn't respond. I felt bad, but there was nothing wrong with the work. The point here is that you sometimes have to do things that look less than wonderful, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. If you meet the two requirements of providing good solder connections and adequate protection for your parts, you're good to go. It's the little things that bite you, and when it comes to vendors, you're not just paying us for what we do, but for what we know. A lot of information in this thread. If this can't kickstart you, I don't know what will. It's all good - go for it. If things go sideways I'll chime. I may say I told you so, but I won't be able to resist helping you along - but hey - you have to do a little to help yourself too, right?