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100 lbs? No problem if you're relatively strong....bunch of girly men around here 😀

Interesting read. My takeaway is that there are differences in amps, but that when the differences are eliminated with various techniques, it is much more difficult to hear a difference between them. It makes me wonder what it is, specifically, that makes me prefer the SET amps that I’ve built over the PP tube amps I’ve built and the SS amps I own. I’m always looking for a sense of “being there” when I listen to music at home. I get this with my SET amps, and with the SS Class A amps I own, more than with other topologies. Stereo is an artificial construct, it gives us localization cues that, at the end of the day, are not the same as the cues created by a musician playing in real life in front of a listener. It isn’t “real life”. That said it’s the best thing I/we have available at the moment (I haven’t given multichannel audio a go yet), and 95% of my music is stereo recordings. Maybe expecting stereo, as an artificial construct intended to recreate real life, to provide this reality is asking too much. It could be that strict linearity, and truthfulness to the source, shouldn’t be the goal at all. The goal should be recreating the “reality” of a live performance despite the limitions of the construct we call stereo. I don’t care about linearity per se, I care about what I hear in my listening room when I put music on my system. A SET amp sounds more “real” than any other topology I have used in my set up. If that reflects a limitation, distortion or unlinearity created by my preferred topology, so be it. Clark’s test tells us that when you make two different amplifiers sound the same, they end up sounding the same. I don’t see how this is helpful. It’s not what most people actually do. When you go out and buy an amplifier, you don’t then take it home and put in a resistor and a equalizer to make it sound the same as the amp it is replacing. Amps sound different. Clark’s adjustment of the amplifiers in his challenge is a confirmation of this fact. Some amps sound more “real”, when playing the stereo material that most of us listen to, than other amps when their differences are left intact.

Will you guys quit pickin' on me so I can get to my testing? 🤓 Man, don't ever made a mistake with this group!

A very, very nice gentleman from Illinois, a 20 something year owner of Khorns who is upgrading his entire system before he retires. He had bought Fortes for his son awhile back and his son will now be getting his Khorns! Multigenerational Klipsch fans! Travis

If your steps are carpeted, you can lay the speaker on its side along the edge of the steps and push. It will with a bit of effort, slide up. The same can be done if its still in a box. If the speakers are being delivered, perhaps, you can offer the guy a few bucks to help you get them up the stairs.

Thanks for the clarification. There is no part of the audio reproduction chain that is less linear than the speakers. I choose to use synergy, what you refer to as "cycling through speakers to find one that "works best" with some favored less-than-linear amp" to deal with this lack of linearity. Others choose a modern amp engineered to be linear with tone controls or equalizers to do the same thing. I would argue that one is not better than the other. Also, achieving synergy takes one component out of the chain. I will add that a SET amp and a pair of La Scalas achieves synergy in my setup.

I've upgraded from the RC62II. I thought my old center sounded weak after I decided to add an external amp(emotiva A-300) to the equation to power up my fronts (RF82ii) . There was an unbalance of sound there. Now with the RC7, dialogues no longer have to fight their way to be heard, if that makes any sense. RC64 is overkill and way too expensive for my blood. I might contemplate getting RF7s but that will be in the very far future. I have a 7.1 setup with all klipsch speakers except for the subwoofer(SVS PB-2000)

Double LP's back to back this evening. Asking for punishment! Robert Plant & Alison Krauss with "Raising Sand."

Is it easy to move a pair of new La Scala II solo upstairs as I live by myself? I noticed the speaker is now split into 2 separate units so it looks more manageable than moving all the weight at once like the LS I. My listening room size is approximately 13" x 12" but I don't listen to my music loud (have neighbors). Is the small room size going to be an issue? I just plan to tuck them into the corners with a equipment rack in between. Is Heresy going to work better for my case? Thanks!

Well, today I took delivery of a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo. It has every option available in a Laredo: Moonroof Navigation Premium stereo Leather Heated seats Remote start Factory towing package It drives really nice and the Interior and exterior are in great shape. 3.6 V6. I didn't want the lower fuel economy of the 5.7 V8 and didn't need the extra power for towing. It really suits my needs and has way more options than I was hoping to get.

Even after contemplating the question, Nigel did not understand and was confused why the interviewer didn't understand his point.

Nigel: "You see, most blokes will be playing at 10. You’re on 10, all the way up, all the way up...Where can you go from there? Nowhere. What we do, is if we need that extra push over the cliff...Eleven. One louder." DiBergi: "Why don’t you just make 10 louder and make 10 be the top number, and make that a little louder?" Nigel (after taking a moment to let this sink in): "These go to 11." Nigel was fooling himself. Perhaps all audiophiles are fooling themselves. Does it matter?

He’s my uncle and does live in Ridgedale, MO. He gave me a pair of Kg2’s as a wedding gift in 1985. Still have them and they sound as good as ever.

Ask your neigbor(s) to help you. They will be so impressed that they might even want to hear those speakers (through the walls)

Thanks. Gonna have to make a trip to Home Depot for some steel wool. The router did a very nice job trimming the edges, but I still had some sanding to get them flush and smoothed out. Very happy with the out come.

Perhaps you can rent a MOTORIZED hand truck, DESIGNED to go up stairs. I know they exist because our company has one for installing racks of equipment. Call around to your local rental or moving stores. If the room is going to be a tight fit for the LaScala's then yeah; get the Heresy's and a subwoofer. There are ALWAYS be practical considerations which will affect your buying decisions.

I have a friend in TN who uses cbd oil. He has used less over the years and had less pain for his condition. Joe... best of luck to you. I'm approaching 70 and have joint pain. A few years ago started taking glucosamine. It's like taking vitamins... can't really tell I'm taking it but if I stop for a few days there is more pain. I use turmeric in lots of my food (the active ingredient- curcumin, would be better but the cost would go up). We get the turmeric at an Indian grocery. Plus lots of fruits and veggies. Cheaper there than the regular chain groceries. Also take fish oil, even though we consume a fair mount of ocean fish. Doesn't answer the addiction question but may be a piece of the puzzle to help manage the different kinds of pain you may have. Bruce

This is Pidot with one of my wife's nieces. He worked as a commercial photographer in Manila, but now lives in Culion, Palawan as a painter (signs, houses, etc.). He also makes beautiful lamps and crafts for the tourists. He used to play guitar until he lost part of a finger on his left hand. Incredibly softspoken and polite, we had a great time talking about large format photography.

Yes and, if I understand it correctly, this will vary from speaker to speaker as the variable impedance of a speaker is going to vary according to the design of the speaker. So, amplifiers will sound different depending on the variable impedance of the speaker used, and the way that the amplifier used reacts to this variable impedance. What you are saying is that different amplifiers sound different from each other because of the variability of the non-linearity created by this interaction. Doesn't this mean that given a particular set of speakers, different amps will sound different when used with these speakers? As in "amps don't all sound the same"? Also, doesn't this mean that an amps synergy with speakers is an important consideration when picking amplifiers because of the more variable nature, and the much more flawed linearity, of speakers? While I would like to better understand the perspective and position of the other side of the argument, it will have very little bearing on my future choices. This quote from Lynn Olson, although a bit out of context, pretty much sums up my perspective on the amplifiers and speakers that I use for my own pleasure.... "And 85~89 dB/meter audiophile speakers sound flat and dead once you get used to the sound of high-efficiency speakers. Even the Ariels at their modest 92 dB/meter made it hard to enjoy conventional audiophile speakers that are 3~5 dB less efficient. You just hear more, and it sounds more beautiful. Like direct-heated triodes, you don't go back. It's about surrendering to the emotional experience, just letting go, no more thinking and analyzing, just allowing yourself to be swept away by the music. Not all audiophiles can do this. I've seen some of them, in my own listening room, hold their arms tightly across their chests, fighting off their emotions. Maybe they didn't like what they heard, but the sound quality was ravishing, far above anything at an audio show, and was certainly affecting me and Karna. I'm kind of letting the cat out of the bag here, but I design audio equipment so the listener can have a deep emotional experience; the technical parameters are simply a means to an end, for the system to get out of the way." For me, after a long trip through audio land, this (mostly) means SET amps and horn speakers for the flawed construct that we call stereo. My goal is to have my experience of listening to a stereo recording be as close to a real life event as possible. This is based upon what I hear when I listen to my setup, and how it allows me to connect to the music on an emotional level. So maybe this means, "when listening to the flawed construct we call a stereo recording, all modern amplifiers engineered to be linear sound the same, and SET amplifiers sound better and are more emotionally involving". If so, so be it.

Of course, some amps are going to sound more alike than others, and none of this has anything to do with what sounds best to an individual user on their particular setup.

Easy? No. Doable for a person in good health and the speakers unassembled? Yes Advisable? No. Industrial safety says you must have a hand free for the rail, meaning it's a two person job done right. Dave

This was the first I picked up with the Christmas bounty. Almost the last to get here, fella was out of town but communicated well with me It's under negotiation, sold to me and priced as M when it's NM at best. Sound is mostly very clean and exceptional like halfspeeds are, it just has some scratches that are audible. It might have to go back... but it filled out my Police albums from their first to Synchronicity, and damn the song below has just always made this southern fella boogie! Geeze... my Hurricanes are one up on the Lightning... the #1 team in the NHL often and again right now since the Red Wings abdicated their place. When I don't watch they stand a chance.....f'n HATE THIS!

Cool, I had the one with the baseball glove on it that came out in the 80s for a long time "Centerfield" I think? *The band he had on that record was tight, and good musicians. Also the T Trucks is a good one in my cabinet too!

John Fogherty back up there JohnJ

This is a new one I picked up with my bevy of half-speeds. And yea compared to my original copy that I picked up as a teen a few years later it is really nice sounding. Know what.... saw this pic in the phone, glad I did took it for another spin with the discwasher. It's got a second record with first takes and "alternate" versions of the same songs, let y'all know about those later. This one like a lot of other records that had "FM" hits on them. has even better ones, not one bad tune on this LP!!

Chillin w/a lil Tedeschi Trucks Band... Sides 1- 4 and Susan is just killin it!

Ignorance on that cover, know it's not Southpark's man-bear-pig is it ape-man-cat?

Evening to ya. It's simple enough. If using banana plugs take a very small screwdriver, knife, etc to pop out one red and one black "plug" that in pressed into the terminal nut..push in the banana plugs + to red and - to black. If using spade connector loosen a red and black nut and slip in spade then re-tighten. On these I prefer bananas as I have found the terminal loosen over time with spade. They are made this way in the off chance that you want to bi-wire. In that case the jumpers would be removed. Personally I fine no advantage in bi-wiring...not to be confused with bi-amping.

2.5 amps is 37.5 watts. An AGC fuse will allow ~2x the current if heated slowly. So, a 5 amp fuse would not be "dangerous", just not conservative. Pooky , those are common automotive fuses from the MG days. We have them by the bushel in auto parts stores, still, on this side of the pond.

The PB 13 sounded like a child's toy to me compared to either of my horn subs but I'm probably just spoiled. If you go with sealed in a larger room be sure to get multiples.

I have the 440C as well and it sounds awesome. It sounds better then my smaller B&W center channels speakers (CM S2 and 600 S2) series. Clearer vocals and better dynamics and power handling. I also own the 64III which I just got delivered and will be hooking it up next week at my beach house. You won't regret buying it. The only reason I got the 64III is because my new LG TV doesn't fit on the 440C. Otherwise I was extremely happy with it.

OK Chief ... apologize for my negative comments ... was just pretty disappointed that I was unable to get a replacement for my "old" 510 horn as it seemed "reasonable" (at least to me) to get a matching set of horns for my 904's. And ... my request for a "picture of a broken horn" was in jest ... I just wanted to start a conversation and looking back on it, it was in "poor taste." Regards, Emile

I have a B&C price list. There are 4 versions of the DE75 listed. One of those is the DE75PK. I can find data sheets for all of them except the DE75PK. I suspect that is the one Klipsch uses. Bob Crites

So just to certain, you have a cable connected to the LFE or Subwoofer pre-out on your receiver? And then to one or two of the RCA or LFE input(s) on your receiver? Does your receiver have a menu to turn a subwoofer on or off? Can you set your speakers to small or large in your receiver? Are there different surround or stereo formats that it has that you can cycle through?

I had the pleasure of listening to the JBL K2 9900 speakers. Very nice. Also makes me happy that I have Klipschorns.

Hey Mike @dirtmudd did you notice the name of the current winter storm? It's Gia 😀

Onkyo TX NR717, 7.2 AVR Bi-amp mode. Output from L/R (or HF) output. Klipsch RP-600M, 2-way speaker. Both binding posts connected by OEM straps. Speaker wires hooked to L/R (or HF) inputs. There is full signal in Bi-amp mode, no question about it. Both HF and LF sounds full with both tweeter and woofers sounding normal. The only thing I question is I THINK the 600M sounded better in Bi-amp mode, maybe more full bass. I can't qualify that because I listened to TV which was mostly dialog with some musical background. I also listened with my ear up the the drivers, so I was listening at 3 inches, and back about 3 feet. I mention this only because it was my impression, but I wouldn't put much weight to that observation as I'm not sure what I was hearing. Either way, the speakers had a full, pleasant sound. Now I'll try the Marantz 6011 the same way.

I’m sure the test is legit. This begs the question of whether or not it is relevant though. It has nothing to do with what sounds better in the real world. In the real world pretty much no one has Clark available to make every amp sound the same as every other amp, and beginners go out and buy an amp and speakers and put them together in less than ideal rooms. This is presumably a forum for hobbyists that are interested in getting the best sound out there system, right? Other than the common thread of everyone being interested in Klipsch and Klipsch inspired speakers, we all find our way to what sounds best to us. If I were to advise a beginner who appears to be a budding audio enthusiast what to buy, I am going to advise them to buy something that works for me. Even though I use SETs mostly, my advice was to buy an ACA. That’s because I have heard it, it sounds good, and it is reasonably priced. I am not going to advise them to buy something I haven’t heard or something I’ve heard and don’t like. My annoyance with the OP has mostly to do with his advising against/slagging equipment he hasn’t heard in the real world, a world where Clark isn’t standing there adjusting equipment so it all sounds the same. In the real world, it doesn’t sound the same. Some amps and topologies sound better than others because of their synergy with the far more imperfect speakers they are paired with.

=== well then, I’m sorry. I was trying to inject a bit of humor into this lame 65 page game of bait and switch. Or better known as trolling for suckers —

It makes perfect sense, and I agree with you. If my 2-way speaker has a HF XO point of 1500 Hz, what happens if the AVR in Bi-amp mode decides the HF XO point is 2500 Hz? It doesn't meet with my common sense how that would work. When I did my testing of the Bi-amp mode and hooked up only the HF section to my speakers with the binding posts connected, all I heard was those squeaks and squawks you hear with only a partial sound. Properly setup in Bi-amp mode I could hear some additional clarity in the mid-range, but I really had to listen "hard" and it was really subtle. There was no difference in the dynamics or SPL that I could detect.

Great performance, thanks Bruce. First time hearing her. Don't listen to this style of music too often. Going to purchase a couple EPs.

Welcome! That’s a wonderful speaker, by the way.

Once or twice a year is sufficient.

No worries... it's not going anywhere (nor is the TAD-4002 I have for it) Now, if I could only get my wife to agree to move (get rid?) her (now deceased) fathers buffet that is in the way...but I guess that isn't going to happen.

I bought the RP-504C two weeks ago, excellent center but the RP-450C is indeed a better match with the RP280FA's

My diet as dictated to me by my doctor: 1...no sugar 2...no salt 3...no ice cream 4...no cake 5...no cookies 6...no pies 7...no candy 8...no pasta 9...no white bread 10..no white potatoes 11..no white rice 12..no processed food 13..no lobster 14..no salad dressing 15..no red meat 16..no egg yokes 17..no soft drinks 18..no booze 19..no shrimp 20..no liver I am now so skinny I have to turn sideways for people to see me. JJK

Since all the trees got tossed around here our "cottage in the woods" isn't anymore, so the yard is ugly but look at this. Yesterday was busy but at about 7a when I opened the curtains it was the most colorful I've seen in a while. Perhaps foretelling of the massacre that happened last night?

What are speeders?

I use a Yamaha AS1100 with my LaScala II and there's no hiss or hum, dead silence from the speakers. It has a detailed, clinical, natural sound, which I prefer over an engineered or a smooth warm sound. I don't have them placed directly in corners but all the bass is produced by the amp. You can hear everything, the good and the bad, of the source material.