DizRotus Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I vote to retain crap shoot, including its pun-ishing aspect. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamahaSHO Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Why is this still going? Most of the people talking about sound quality and differences here are probably old and lost a significant portion of their hearing... Just saying. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 minute ago, yamahaSHO said: Why is this still going? Most of the people talking about sound quality and differences here are probably old and lost a significant portion of their hearing... Just saying. True enough in my case. Losing one's hearing does not cause one to lose his/her mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yamahaSHO Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 What am I wrong about? Are you not old? Have you not lost some range in your hearing? Sound and "best" are subjective. I am more of a data guy... This conversation is absurd. What I like in sound, you may not... And vice versa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I think some you guys are being a bit rough on Jeffrey. I disagree with his approach and conclusions, but he is entitled to his opinion. In many ways I think he is rather sincere in his perspective and probably not all that different than some of the folks around here who are enamored with fancy and uber expensive capacitors etc. I don't think these folks are trolls. They seem to really believe in this stuff. I think the Forum has enough room for all of them (footnote 1). Footnote 1: That said, I still think this approach leads some people away from making real improvements that are based on science and engineering. However, that is their choice (and loss). Good luck, -Tom 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Jeffrey D. Medwin said: from the time I came home from the hospital, and my Mom was nursing me to an original ALTEC 604 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 All this info about wires made me want to pull one of my 15" woofers and measure the thickness of the voice coil wire. The wide side. and the flat dimension of the rectangular, edge wound voice coil wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Yea and I want to measure all the wires from Hoover Dam to my house. Are they all up to spec? And those transformer thingys, are they OK? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, DizRotus said: Travis- Please put us out of our misery! This forum has standards like the other audio forums that yanked the welcome mat. Reminds me of that Paul McCartney song, Ban[ne]d On The Run. Surprised you haven't asked to ban the person who occasionally misplaces an apostrophe...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, jimjimbo said: misplaces an apostrophe...... Ah the crux of the biscuit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, Khornukopia said: All this info about wires made me want to pull one of my 15" woofers and measure the thickness of the voice coil wire. 6 minutes ago, Jeffrey D. Medwin said: Your reasoning for posting this is 100% FAULTY, That could be true, considering that I was watching some meteors at 2 A.M. when the idea of measuring my voice coil wire came to mind. I also understand that the voice coil wire is engineered to have a certain resistance. It is also true that I would not want my speaker connection wire to add 4 ohms to the amp/speaker circuit. I use 12 ga and 14 ga speaker wires to my bi-amped Klipschorns. 20 minutes ago, Jeffrey D. Medwin said: You are deluding yourself and totally misleading the novices here. I certainly would not want to mislead any novices with any outrageous implications. Have a nice day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backfire Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, Jeffrey D. Medwin said: You are deluding yourself and totally misleading the novices here. Your reasoning for posting this is 100% FAULTY, for all the system and amp building I have been doing, particularly over the last decade. The windings in a transformer, choke, or a voice coil HAS to be a certain gauge, fixed. But getting ENERGY in and out of that unit, is GREATLY enhanced by using well thought out wiring, often times larger than whats in the unit. Its lead modification, I do it in my builds, with excellent results, ALL the time, and it is highly advantageous. . Particularly on an entire SYSTEM basis. Jeffrey Medwin If a choke or transformer has a winding constructed from, say, 100 feet of 24 AWG wire, and you modify the last 2 inches of each end of that wire by replacing it with, say 16 AWG wire, then the percentage effect of your modification on the current carrying properties of the winding will be absolutely negligible. If you leave 99.7% of the wire (the part you can't get at because it is inside the transformer) unchanged, and modify only the little bits that stick out of the transformer, then you will have no worthwhile improvement at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I find it funny that the Fulton Musical Industries website, which is a supposed tribute to the "ideas" of Fulton is under construction and apparently has been for years now. I guess not enough solid concrete information about anything could be found to put within the multiple tabs on the website other than a short bigraphy. From what I've read, he was far better a "salesman" than a businessman which would explain why none of his products really lasted long nor did the company continue after he died. Maybe if he wouldn't have kept revising stuff on, what was mentioned, a 4 month schedule, the company would have prospered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 3 hours ago, PrestonTom said: ... some of the folks around here who are enamored with fancy and uber expensive capacitors ... What's a "fancy" capacitor? Or, what makes a capacitor "fancy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Backfire said: If you leave 99.7% of the wire (the part you can't get at because it is inside the transformer) unchanged, and modify only the little bits that stick out of the transformer, then you will have no worthwhile improvement at all. You do if you use a quarter spool of solder on each solder joint. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jeffrey D. Medwin said: intersecting and disturbing their energy paths. I never saw any photos where he'd drilled a hole through a capacitor to string it on a zip tie. The only "energy path" is through the media between the foils/plates in any capacitor I've ever seen. And I've seen many different types through the years. Even had a huge variable capacitor out of an archaic tubed tuner once... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Yes. I cross the streams. I'm sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Deang said: Yes. I cross the streams. You need to see a urologist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Nothing a zip tie can't fix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Don Richard said: Well, I have used a Weller WCTPC 60 watt production soldering station with an 800 degree chisel tip to solder 12 gage wire to the inside of a 1/2 inch schedule 40 stainless steel pipe. Previously that job had been done using a propane torch, so... I'm pretty sure that soldering station could solder any wire you have used in amplifier builds. Psssssst, Don....Don....Don.... The issue there is, is your soldering iron 9.54038 inches long? It has to be 9.54038 inches long to maximize its performance perfectly. Side comment.... as I re-read the above, I'm getting a gut feeling it could be misconstrued differently than my intentions, but....I'm not going there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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