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ClaudeJ1

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Not going to tell anyone what they can and cannot hear(thanks @Mallette). Get out of my auditory cortex:). What i don't understand is people that say they can hear minute differences in this or that refusing to do ABX tests. If you can hear it, prove it. What i do know is I can hear the difference between LaScalas and Jubilees---I like the Jubilees.

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Great read. I’ve been saying these facts for over thirty years. The only reason people like tubes over solid state is tubes clip more gently. Plain ordinary 18 ga. Zip cord is all you need unless you have long runs. Digital leaves analog noise in the dust. Thanks for posting.


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6 hours ago, Fido said:

I agree that Dave's Lmahl tweeters were fantastic upgrades that made my Fortes sound so much better. Hence Dave's Smahl Tweeters for my Super Heresy mods

Those are definitely an Audible upgrades and not the 11 th thing. The first 10 were meant to stir the pot a little. As one of the AES members who heard the original AB/X box from the guys who invented it 44 years ago, I do believe this filters out a lot of the real Bullshit.

 

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1 hour ago, Dave1290 said:

Who's Claude?  :)

 

Just a dude who can say with validity that he's owned "tons" of speakers over his life... well...  and....  I wrote once on the internet, he's someone who couldn't figure out how to turn on a digital camera....Since I wrote it on the internet, that makes it true, right??

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, DizRotus said:

Hey Claude @ClaudeJ1 I thought you disliked the term “Cornscala.”  Do you claim to be the inventor of the speaker, or the coiner of the term?

When I was 21 years old, I built a center channel with an Altec woofer, K400 Speakerlab clone horn mid/Atlas driver, EV Tweeter with a shelf port in a LaScala sized Bass Reflex box with the same dimensions for a center channel until I got a real LaScala to replace it. I never named it that, but that effectively makes it the world's first CornScala, all in a same sized single box as a LaScala. I have photos to prove it, but it doesn't matter.

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One of the things I picked up from this 'bull$h*t' thread is the general acceptance of the importance and value of 'the ritual'.

Though many music lovers 'know' that a good quality digital file of a good recording will be superior compared to analog, esp vinyl records (with its cracks and hisses), yet they prefer these lower quality media because they allow the ritual:

  • solid state amp vs tube amp: tube amps allow tuberolling (and for the more advanced, tube amp design)
  • digital format vs vinyl records: vinyl records allow tinkering with needles and cartridges etc, and the fysical manipulation of handling the vinyl record, and let's not forget the artful record sleeve.
  • neutral studio monito/earphones vs home speakers (and modfications/upgrades): each home setup will sound different
  • copper wiring vs high-end audio cables, powerblocks etc: especially 'elektrically clean' systems, with high sensitive speakers, specialised audio cables become part of the ritual experience too. Some have great aesthetic value too!

I believe it basically boils down to  having two approaches of life in general: type 1 is the 'set and forget' person, type 2 is ritual person. I'm refusing to decide who's having most fun. 

 

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41 minutes ago, ILI_MeloManiac said:

One of the things I picked up from this 'bull$h*t' thread is the general acceptance of the importance and value of 'the ritual'.

Though many music lovers 'know' that a good quality digital file of a good recording will be superior compared to analog, esp vinyl records (with its cracks and hisses), yet they prefer these lower quality media because they allow the ritual:

  • solid state amp vs tube amp: tube amps allow tuberolling (and for the more advanced, tube amp design)
  • digital format vs vinyl records: vinyl records allow tinkering with needles and cartridges etc, and the fysical manipulation of handling the vinyl record, and let's not forget the artful record sleeve.
  • neutral studio monito/earphones vs home speakers (and modfications/upgrades): each home setup will sound different
  • copper wiring vs high-end audio cables, powerblocks etc: especially 'elektrically clean' systems, with high sensitive speakers, specialised audio cables become part of the ritual experience too. Some have great aesthetic value too!

I believe it basically boils down to  having two approaches of life in general: type 1 is the 'set and forget' person, type 2 is ritual person. I'm refusing to decide who's having most fun. 

 

I for one found @ClaudeJ1 link a good read, but i guess it just boils down to what You say in your post. It´s the "Ritual" in one form or another that lets us all participate in this hobby and this great forum. Most likely i couldn´t even decide if i am type 1 or type 2, IMHO it´s two hearts beating in most of our chests.

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Half the article I agree with the other half not so sure. I do believe SS has been chasing tubes from their inceptions when it comes to audio. Can SS sound as good as tubes, probably so but at a price. But then it is just subtle and subjective. Digital probably does sound as good but I usually sit down for serious listening with vinyl. The exotic wires not so much. Listening test, I know what I like with an emphasis on "I". Feedback, in the camp of less is better but if used sparingly. I use to believe SS needed no burn in but I was wrong after building and listening to many amps. The rest 7 thru 10 probably agree with. One thing for sure there are a lot of lies in advertisement that simply are not true. 

 

Claude you sure stirred the pot especially when talking tubes vs SS and vinyl vs digital. That issue will always be argued, at least in our lifetime.   

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4 hours ago, ILI_MeloManiac said:

One of the things I picked up from this 'bull$h*t' thread is the general acceptance of the importance and value of 'the ritual'.

Though many music lovers 'know' that a good quality digital file of a good recording will be superior compared to analog, esp vinyl records (with its cracks and hisses), yet they prefer these lower quality media because they allow the ritual:

  • solid state amp vs tube amp: tube amps allow tuberolling (and for the more advanced, tube amp design)
  • digital format vs vinyl records: vinyl records allow tinkering with needles and cartridges etc, and the fysical manipulation of handling the vinyl record, and let's not forget the artful record sleeve.
  • neutral studio monito/earphones vs home speakers (and modfications/upgrades): each home setup will sound different
  • copper wiring vs high-end audio cables, powerblocks etc: especially 'elektrically clean' systems, with high sensitive speakers, specialised audio cables become part of the ritual experience too. Some have great aesthetic value too!

I believe it basically boils down to  having two approaches of life in general: type 1 is the 'set and forget' person, type 2 is ritual person. I'm refusing to decide who's having most fun. 

 

 

I have long known @TonyWhitlow was clueless, but I did give you more credit than that.

 

A vinyl record played back on a high quality rig will almost always sound better than a hi rez digital file. Digital has come a long way and sounds much better than it did in it's infancy, but there will always be something about the sound of a record that digital just can't match. At least for now.

 

And as for tube amps, well "many music lovers know that a good quality tube amp will be superior to solid state", or something like that..................

 

Set and forget can sound good if you are extremely lucky. But the devil is in the details.

 

Shakey

 

 

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