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Yeah several of my guys. I use one as a center channel with Jubilees. Very nice and probably the tightest bass I've heard on a direct radiating speaker. They like to be cranked though. Not super detailed comparatively at low volume. Just don't have a lot of high end sparkle at low volume is the biggest thing, they sound dull compared to other towers. Crank them and it's a different story, very low ear fatigue, super tight stop on a dime bass. Roy did a great job voicing them, the drivers blend together better than some of the other pro models like the 904, they just sound like one speaker even at close listening distances.

Zappa... incredible composer and guitarist. Not as well known as he should be.

Toying with the idea of retrofitting a vintage stereo console. Gut it ... put some Heresy's in it with a Marantz amp and TT/CD player. Anyone done this? (Or am I crazier than most of us here?) Found this console ... going to take a look at it in the next couple of days

Great googly-moogly what the heck is THAT! I would say it is the lens for things like Fortes and Chorus and Cornwall II's among others. This one has clearances inside the cabinet for a slewpot full of drivers and making clamp plates to fit various ones TBA.

Outside? Out of the elements for the most part? Worried about humidity and rodents? I wouldn't put a whole lot of thought into whether to do it or not.....

For sure, he was eccentric, but he didn't do drugs at all. His favorite music was classical/orchestral, and he was quite an accomplished composer and guitarist. He is usually in the top 50 in lists of best guitarists. Bruce

Time to finally come back and add some resized photos to this thread since the house is now almost in "the dry". The framers are supposed to be done either late today or tomorrow and the shingles will go on Monday then the metal part of the roof (above the front porch) right after that. Also the siding will go on next week and the electrician will start wiring (and me with Cat5) hopefully. I'll be adding pictures from my phone in just a minute as I resized them on it but am typing this part on the desktop PC. I tried to take pictures in the same general spot as to have a sort of timeline of everything. It's looking more like a house! There's a lot more of in between photos but I know I have a limit on here so I'm being conservative. The house is basically a "modern farmhouse" design which seems to be fairly popular and was what my wife has always wanted. I'm good with that as long as I have my upstairs room, of course. I need to find a shot from the side showing the garage but I'm not sure if I have any of those to give the sense of depth. But...

If it is Grundig, you may just want to keep it, especially if you are planning to use highly efficient speakers...the same can be said for Blaupunkt. Both of these brands were VERY highly-regarded, and still are. My older brother bought a Grundig console system on his last duty tour in Germany in the early 1970's....it still sounds great! Grundig was using Thorens turntables in their consoles when he bought his.

Just my $0.02: it appears that the subject will tacitly be restricted to one genre (rock) and one time period (60s-70s). However if for a moment you entertain a bit more inclusive answer than just picking out YouTube videos at random, then the subject gets more interesting. For instance, those awful recordings were usually made because awful equipment and studio/venues were the norm. This is also stratified by genre, generally excluding classical, jazz and pop genres before about 1970 at which point the introduction of good quality recorders became feasible for even the smallest low-budget studios. The music was racially aligned and appealed mostly to teenagers, which was generally considered lower quality or "throwaway" music genres: So basically any recording from the 1960s and before that's not or jazz, pop or classical genres (and even some of those genres were well-represented by bad recordings) was originally recorded on pretty lousy equipment. Basically anything before 1959 will have severe sound quality issues relative to that which is easily produced today. If the music happened to be more enduring than the other 99% that was produce then, it's now considered to be classic. Pretty much anything by The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, Cream, CCW, Hendrix, Grateful Dead, Allman Bros, etc. of this time period is really rough in terms of as-produced technical quality. What I've found however is that most of these recordings were made even worse via mastering: heavy creative EQ applied to the recordings to boost mid-high frequencies and severely attenuate lows still exists to this day (EQ that was made even worse on later reissue CDs--a medium which can be abused even more than phonograph records). Once you undo the bad EQ on the recordings, I think that even the most die-hard "period scholars" will be (reluctantly) amazed how improved they sound. YMMV. Chris

That is a beautiful room and system. The problem is getting good sound in an open floor plan. No matter what you do, it will still only be a shadow of what it could be in a traditional room. But one does what one must do. Shakey

However, Zappa’s eccentricities were not born of narcotic drugs; a Zappa feature in a 1976 ‘Suosikki’ Magazine article says it all: Q: Do you have a drug problem? A: Yes, with coffee. Q: With coffee??? A: I’m an absolutely sober person. I don’t consume alcohol. I don’t smoke weed. But I drink gallons of coffee. “To me, a cigarette is food,” said Zappa in his autobiography, The Real Frank Zappa Book. “I live my life smoking these things, and drinking the ‘black water’ in this cup here.” https://ineedcoffee.com/frank-zappa-coffee-achiever/

Comic debris.. That's good for a laugh

I'm with those who say you should give a fair review. Consider the possibility of giving the guy a head's up about the review you intend to give. Maybe share a draft with him. Let him know that if he would agree to a full recission, you will put in the review, "In the end, despite the misunderstandings, seller was gracious enough to give me a full recission. I am satisfied with that."

Its not big enough. How about this one instead. Has a nifty fireplace too, for those cold Florida mornings. https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/fuo/d/very-cool-vintage-stereo/6659146878.html

Worth it! They are such awesome speakers; like no other Klipsch that I have heard...in a good way! Rick

Moving pictures and a moving turntable, nice! I'm sure the rack is close to level and plumb like you suggest. However no way to alter it at this point...at least not in a practical sense. I'm not too worried about bumps. Only 1 or 2 people most of the time and dedicated to music/movies. No casual listening. Maybe this is not as bad as I thought it would be.

O.K. Will respond in order: Roger (twistedcrankcammer) - My question should have included this, but with regard to extending distance from the wall, it is not a long-term viable option at this point, but thank you. Peter Z (pzannucci) - I have considered this approach but was afraid that it might create the situation GaryRC speaks of (I read the article, too). Since you have had a good experience, it might be worth revisiting and I may try it to see first hand how it works. Thank you. GaryRC - Your comment was the reason I hesitated using any type of spikes or stands that would create an open space directly below the speakers in the first place. As you can see, Peter Z has had good luck with them, so it might be at least worth trying. The floor is concrete from wall to wall - monolithic like the majority of homes built here in AZ in the 80's. While the room does not lend itself to much in the way of sound treatment, I have all but the bass adjusted to my listening preference. Unfortunately, moving of the speakers is rather limited in its application due to room dimensions and layout. While I have run a calibrated microphone for my home theater (in another room), I trust my music listening to my ears rather than an acoustic "standard" as I have had much better experiences with doing so. Thank you for your well thought out response. John (John Chi-town) Yes, carpet, pad and concrete. While I may at least try them at 18" to see how that sounds, unfortunately, I am not able to leave them that far from the wall in the room they currently occupy. About 10-12" becomes the limit for the time being to allow for everything to fit together. It is far from the ideal listening room, but has served me well for the 29 years I have lived here (the speakers were in a different room initially, but have been moved here to accommodate the home theater in the other room). Thank you also for your response. At this point I will first see exactly what difference moving the speakers further out from the wall makes. While this may not be something I can maintain all the time, it is worth trying. Also, in the name of scientific experimentation, I will see what some form of elevating spikes or other open platform will do. (In all honesty, I have experimented with using milk crates under the speakers just to see what happens and found that the bass is attenuated significantly. However, it really doesn't look very good.;-)) Thank you all for your expertise and should I find the solution that pleases me the most, I will post the results and how I arrived there. Don P.S. Although the forum provides monikers such as "newbie", etc. I hope this related to one's status in posting alone. At 61 years of age and experiences that go with it, my bones tell me I'm no "newbie" when it comes to life.

Not sure about the mid push terminal did not open them yet. There is an S in the matching serials. K55V dual phase with K700 horns that mimic the big Klipsch presence in these small packages. I'd quote myself but... NO not the same, these are Super Heresy.

If they are 1978, there's an S in the serial number. It's a K55 with the push terminals in the mid and metal horn.....therefore a Heresy 1 converted to Super Heresy. Unless there was a mid driver upgrade, which, is not the same as a Heresy 1, now is it? Any subtle difference is not the same as my original, eh? "Different is not the same" is my famous saying. The devil is in the details.

Great recording made by Cream and Tommy Dowd. They showed up at the studio with their concert gear. Tommy was a studio wizard having been a nuclear physicist who worked on The Manhattan Project.He also invented the gain slider for mixing desks. Tales ... is Summer In The City by The Loving Spoonful slowed down. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If it's a Super Heresy 1.0, you might want to try adding a 20 uF cap in parallel with the woofer. Just an idea.

Meeting Richard, new KMHA president, and seeing Travis yesterday was wonderful. No time for listening, but a "Cook's Tour" of downtown and the music landmarks was fun. Maybe next time... Heading to the Cossatot for a few days with my son to close out summer. Dave

Virtually any "Greatest Hits of the 60's 70's 80s" compilation on CD type of thing. They typically have good songs but just terrible production. They are heavily compressed, no highs, no lows, narrow mid range, very thin sounding. Unlistenable IMO.

Stone temple pilots- No.4...Love the whole album. Production Sucks. Big D

You guys are really killing me. 😁 Here’s my double whammy of a layout challenge though: There’s only 21” between the wall and the projector screen. There is no side wall next to the front right speaker.

Thanks, Claude! You too, Treyphan!

Thanks Guys, The seller tried to bully me into his idea of fair, In the end I told him simply your opinions are that your opinions. If I choose to place a value on appearance, that is my right. He has no right to tell me otherwise (he was berating me for caring about condition, in his world sonics trump all). I told him I dont have to debate the subject with him, I was trying to resolve the issue as gentlemen might, That appeared to be an effort in vain, I would happily let paypal decide the fate and they would have no problem taking the full 700 back out of his account Debate stopped and he agreed to a fair partial refund. I now have 55 percent of new value in the amp While I still own a less than perfect amp in appearance it played for a couple hours and seems fine electrically. It can replace my Valhalla amp in the bedroom, giving me both headphone and speaker taps (with a switch so I can keep both wired ) it will be out of sight most of the time . As I mentioned it is now my permanent headphone Bedroom amp I wont try to sell it and I am ok with that because of the added convenience I typically fly off the handle, posting here forces me to calm down and think, You guys are like therapy

Starts crunching numbers... Figures in half his net worth... Cleaning lady's rent... Value of services rendered in exchange... I'll get back to you on that! Now we better stay on topic! lol

Comic debris.. Dynamo hum....

After almost 1-1/2 yrs I got my MC 2105 back from Terry Dewick. I'm at work at the moment but can't wait to get home and fire it up.

I use to have LaScalas in same position as the K-Horns. My wife loved the extra room for Christmas decorations...lol. Not ugly at all I dont think,,,,I have always loved the look. Im sure you could find used Ks or Fortes or Heresy for a fraction of new....true they may need some upgrading like new Caps and diaphragm's. But do call Cory and get new prices from him before you decide.

Welcome Elee, you might post up your location. These guys are like hound dogs in finding Klipsch speakers 😀

Nice picture, you must be pretty old to have taken it!

I agree with the above. If it made that much of an impact on you..... will you ever really be able to scratch that itch with something less, regardless of the name stamped on the front? We all have choices & compromises & limitations.... I get that. So if you are choosing to let something be between your goal.... if it's something you can overcome well.....then..... If it is something that is insurmountable, well.....then..... I personally drove 12 hours (1-way) to get mine. Point being a 100 mile radius might not be big enough area. What if someone had a pair 150 miles out? If you're buying used, you can find them (at what I feel to be) a reasonable cost. Yeah, a pair for $500 on the west coast isn't going to do you any good so you have to find/strike that balance. That said, I think I sold my pair for around $1,800 and they (like most) had a beautiful walnut pattern on the front. Others sell for more....and others for less. Only you know how bad that itch.....itches..... and what it will take to scratch it. Don't ask any of these guys on this forum though..... they're all freaking crazy nuts....every last one of them. Except of course, for me.

If your buying new call Cory first believe me you will want to. He is a forum member and dealer. I dont see anything wrong with your electronics. we all have different stuff. I got K-Horns in smaller room than yours but only 5.0 system. I think you will be impressed with any of the Heritage. Here is Corys forum name metropolislakeoutfitters. We heard all the new Heritage at Hope this spring and I love the look and sound of the new Forte and Heresy, We also heard new K-Horn is coming out. Heres old pic of my living room set up I have a center channel now and Integra AVR for the living room setup.

RMS Root Mean Square For the gory details check wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_mean_square Can't really do a better job. But basically squaring the voltage before averaging it over time (often a period if it is a simple waveform) , then taking the square root. So all values are positive. The reason you square the voltage before averaging the values is because for power calculations, Power is proportional to the square of voltage, so you have to give more weight to higher voltages. In other words, if voltage is 2 volts for half the period, and 4 volts for the second half, you cannot simply average them to (2+4)/2 = 3. You have to take square root of (4+16)/2 = square root 10 = 3.33 For audio power it means using the RMS voltage of the signal, then using Power= V^2/R where R is usually a pure 8 or 4 ohm resistor. So of you have a 10Volt amplitude signal (that is -10v to 10v) sinewave signal, the RMS value is 10/sqrt(2) or 7.07 volts to calculate the power into 8 ohms.. it is P=7.07^2 / 8 The term "rms power" as used for audio is actually incorrect as you do not take the square root of the average of the square of power. The term implies "calculate power using the RMS voltage" If you had a varying signal as in real music, you could average out the power over time, but it makes no engineering sense to take the RMS average of power over time.

Minty Marantz 2215 receiver.

from Wikipedia: What's most interesting to me how much the big screen has taken over the task of "serious" music education from parent-to-child and formal music ed coursework found in high school and liberal arts curricula. Perhaps that fact is highlighted in this thread...albeit from films from 40-80 years ago. For instance, Grofé's Grand Canyon suite isn't typically listed among the great symphonic works (to my knowledge)--even those lists that extend well into the 20th century, but is nevertheless well represented in this thread. John William's music soundtracks (mostly from Spielberg movies) have disproportionately drawn from late 19th century and early 20th century composers (the following from https://www.classicalmpr.org/story/2015/10/20/star-wars-john-williams-influences). Perhaps we should call this "cinema symphonic music"...?...

Found one of these over the weekend. Now I need to make some room. Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Then the back of each plate is sanded again with 100 grit to remove any burrs from the holes followed by sanding the face with 150 grit using the random orbit sander to prepare the surface for the application of the "resist" for the etching phase of the process. Here is what the plate looks like after sanding. Make sure you remove ALL of the layout marks with the sander as they will act as a resist and you'll have extra lines in the etch....

Now you're getting serious Mike! Got "Songs From the Wood" in the background here right now!

Whole lot of useless rambling in that ad and not a lot of specifics about the actual pair he is selling I would insist on having him remove both backs for inspection if things get that far I had a pair of Walnut verticals (1971), similar deal and only found out after I got 'em home one of them had a replacement woofer Genuine Klipsch (but not a cosmetic/magnet match) and an appropriate substitute but still................... .............you get the point

These are SOLD