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on my listening room. It was my workshop out behind my house, and I gathered free 3' x 4' plywood scraps for the interior walls. Really rugged, but so disjointed that I couldn't paint or anything. Bright idea.... Add 1" x 4" pine boards stained walnut as wainscoting and use painted paneling as in-between wall, attached directly to the plywood. This only brought the wall out 1/8 inch or so in the panel area, and meant I didn't have to move the Klipschorns in the process. Here's what it looks like tonight. I embedded a 2' x 4' LED ceiling fixture ("troffer" is the term) into the wall, which is dimmable. I then put a vinyl stained glass cling onto the back of a piece of plexiglas and framed around it like a window. Those wall hangings are old Klipsch ads. What do you think?

Because you won't find many of them at that price!

Mom at work Son off with his buds. Daughter out surfing Me and dogbert.... We’re just hanging

I really need to stop buying these things

There's been a lot of discussion in other threads about what terms like “accurate reproduction", or “true high fidelity”, or "audio nirvana" mean. It seems to me that the $64k question for a hi-hi system is this: What is your benchmark for the quality of sound you are hearing from your home hi-fi system? My goal for the sound quality of recorded classical music played via my home hi-fi systems is to have the illusion that I’m in the symphony hall or opera house where classical music is performed live, with no electronics involved (i.e., no sound reinforcement system). I’ll clarify what I mean: Classical Symphonic Music vs. Pop Musicians Performing with Orchestra vs. Outdoor Performances My local symphony orchestra performs a Classical Series, plus a number of “pop concerts”, and a few outdoor concerts. For the Classical Series – which involves classical music performed live in the symphony hall, there is no use of a sound reinforcement system. I’ve confirmed with the symphony’s Executive Director that the microphones that can be seen hanging above the stage are used solely for recording, NOT for amplifying the sound in the symphony hall. My local symphony hall has world-class acoustics, and the natural sound is amazing. OTOH, when pop music is performed in the same hall, electronics are often used. An example is when a pop singer uses a microphone to sing. And for some pop concerts, electric guitars and/or electronic organs are sometimes used. And, of course, on the rare occasion when the symphony performs an outdoor concert (e.g., outdoor Memorial Day concert), then of course a sound reinforcement system must be used. Opera vs. Musicals One of the hallmarks of opera is that the singers do NOT use microphones. And the orchestra does NOT use a sound reinforcement system. No electronics are involved when an opera is performed by an opera company in an opera house. OTOH, musicals typically involve signers using microphones. And, of course, on the rare occasion when an opera singer performs the National Anthem at the baseball park, then they must sing into a microphone. Chamber Music Chamber music performances generally do not involve a sound reinforcement system. (I’ve been to one concert by a string quartet that used sound reinforcement because the venue had poor acoustics. I won’t attend another concert at that venue.) For classical music, the artists are the composer, the conductor, and the musicians - and IMO the “work of art” was the live performance (i.e., musicians performing together in the symphony hall). I’m using the term “work of art” in terms of what represents a benchmark for the sound quality of the recording when played via a home hi-fi system, not in terms of Intellectual Property law. The same might be true of other genres that involve natural music performed live, such as some big-band, some jazz, some folk, etc. I’m not knowledgeable about these genres, so I can’t say. (OTOH, reportedly some pop music is completely different – particularly if there never was a live performance, and electronic sounds were cobbled together by recording engineers, or deliberately distorted.) For those of us who regularly attend live classical performances (I attend more than 20 classical concerts each year), we have a pretty good memory of what a violin should sound like – independent of whether we were at a particular recording session. We have a pretty good memory of what a string quartet should sound like – and a pretty good memory of what a symphony orchestra should sound like – when performing live with no sound reinforcement system. (Recognizing some variance due to the acoustics of the venue, and the listener’s seat location. For my season tickets at the symphony and opera, I sit in the first elevated tier, front row, near center of the hall.) No recording is perfect, and no hi-fi system is perfect. And my memory isn’t perfect. Nonetheless, for classical music, my benchmark for the sound quality of music reproduced via one of my home hi-fi systems is based on my memory of the sound of classical music performed live in its intended venue. I want the inevitable imperfections in the sound from my home-hi-fi to sound pleasant vs. unpleasant. One of my priorities is for the timbre of the orchestra instruments to sound natural. (This is why I generally prefer tube amps.) And I like to achieve dynamic range that approaches the live concert experience. (This is why I like Klipsch speakers.) Here's a link to one of the relevant discussions:

No, thanks.

This is that same corner, same Klipschorn, before the makeover: And now this The radio is a family heirloom. Built by my grandfather. The whiskey is too. That was the "medicinal whiskey" in the cabinet. When my parents passed away and my sisters were cleaning out the house, I had the presence to ask them to find it and save it for me. It had evaporated but I think it looks nice on the Klipschorn. Here's one of the ads. and here's another. and finally, my last two homemade La Scala HF section fronts. I kept one factory front as a router template, but I thought I'd sacrifice these two to the heavens.

Been everywhere on this knowing after I bought (78) LS that I was going to do something (caps at min). I've exchanged PMs with a bunch of you. A lot of great opinions. But landed on these. Will be delivered today. Ill post some opinions soon.

Scored this beauty last night for next to nothing.... One only, but with a spare Altec 511b lens. Its one mixed up puppy - I wonder how it will sound? Like I needed another project... Anyway, your ridicule is welcome 🤣

ON another note, late afternoon on the 4th, someone on the next street over was really cranking the tunes, had to be pro gear. Whatever sub they had, I wanted it, quite tight and banging. Fight fire with fire I say. Fired the system up, CF3 mains driven by a Crown K2 with a KLF C-7 center and rears handled by the receiver. Cueued up Metallica's Through the Never Blue Ray. Skipped to Nothing Else Matters and let her rip until finished, the instrumentals during the closing credits are real nice. My iPhone decibel app was reading 90db continuous with 115dB peaks. I was at -20 on the dial and considered that loud enough. It was as usual, a bit of Epic fun. They didn't seem to sweat it. Nice.

I'm pretty sure others deserve to be president more than I do This is my 4th pair now. First pair were some CF-2 I bought in 2013, actually my first Klipsch speakers. I sold those after moving out here to MN and regret it, but I've since moved on and now have 2 pairs of CF-3 along with the CF-4's I picked up last week. I just hope my wife doesn't notice when she gets home this weekend...

I was just having a good look at these K55's. Sadly the date stamps reveal thy are not a matched pair... One was built on November 29 1977, the other on November 29 1877. Same day, 100 years apart. Amazing. Hope the technology didn't change too much over that time. 🤣

And then one day you find ten years have got behind you. No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun. So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking Racing around to come up behind you again. The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older, Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

Well Mate, i gave it the old college try. Fail. too much of a challenge for my iPhone, I guess. They are launched off the pier. Shot from the same window.

only one? welcome @WalterHart ! We do tend to drink mighty mud all day in this house. Hot, cold and in between. wife is at "the ranch", still I'm being gentle on the neighbors. They get a break during the summer. Wife would not care to have me running the stereo at 6:45AM. I've been up since 3:30. Had a half pot of coffee and am "chompin' at the bit". This when I get my yardwork done.

Not only that, but the signal fed to the cutter may be attenuated to keep the groove spacing down, to allow more time per side. Or the cutting artist may just have a bad day. And just as every loudspeaker has a different sensitivity, so does every cartridge. Digital formats can be standardized -- the system can be designed so that digital full-scale produces a certain output level regardless of the source. With phonograph, however, that's just not the case, for the many reasons (and others) cited.

It all depends on the SYSTEM gain structure. It starts with the allowable groove spacing tied to bass content. All of it is modified by the RIAA and INVERSE RIAA curve applied to whatever millivolts are generated by the cartridge (capacitive, moving magenet, or moving coil to various load impedances and capacitance). The latter requires an extra gain stage (tube, solid state, or transformer) in order to ever get close to moving magnet levels. Then after the RIAA curve is applied, how much gain is there in the preamp circuits at the output (at various source impedances) to mate with the power amplifier input (at various load impedances) whose outputs vary by the speaker sensitivities! And now all you can do is complain about the levels not matching after going through TOTALLY different paths to get to your ears?? Well alrighty then!!!

You've reached as close as possible when you're making equipment changes in search of those last few percentages and all you hear is less satisfaction.

Don't you know how to make ice coffee.....

One of my all time favorites....

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Thought you would drop by sometime... hotter than can describe... plenty of time for girl watch...ing... That Smokin' OP's lp is a good 5 star ...Let It Rock ... great opener... Saw Leon and daughters playing Hummin'bird iN Tally awhile ago now. But Seger and TeaGarten&Van Winkle on that lp tour was a great combo to see. This just before Silver...😁😝

Congrats on the new CF4's. 👍 Your speakers look to be in great shape too. Good score. As to their being close to pro speakers, from what I have read, the drivers were said to come from Klipsch's pro driver shelves, though I can't confirm that one way or another.

Has anyone seen Nick Mason's band Saucerful of Secrets? They play the older and not often heard Pink Floyd songs. https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8482606/pink-floyd-drummer-nick-mason-plans-2019-us-tour

To most of the audio buying public used to Yorx, Sony, Bose, etc. anything by Klipsch, especially Klipschorns, is relatively rare.

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Really nice job

My systems are completely different, as in I'm all about analog and the simplest pathway to the music. No room correction, active crossovers or anything else in the way of the signal path.All tube amplification. 2 channel only. I don't even use subwoofers, even though I have them. It should be interesting to see how different people use different approaches to get the sound they desire. There is no right or wrong in this hobby, just a bazillion different paths to travel. Aug. 10 works for me also, plus I'm open for more dates. Maybe split the metro Detroit locations for one day, and the further north for another?

I bought some vintage Ortophon speakers (In Sweden).They contained Scan-Speak drivers. A site in Japan offered to buy them at a very good price. However, I had to pay for the shipping (expensive !) and they would give me their final price after inspecting the drivers. All in all at maximum price a would make a small profit otherwise I would make a loss at the sale... So the point is value depend on were you have someting. So the vintage Dalies would probably go for less than 500 USD here. If you can fill a container with similar goods you could make a profit selling to Japan but not with single speakers.

I was referring to Roy's comments regarding pro in general in another thread and not specific drivers or why he chose them. I assume he does quite a lot of testing for every choice and then has to get them by the bean counters.

Thanks for posting your project. I really liked the patina on post #7, and had it been me I might have been tempted to keep them like that. There is some hard life history oozing from them! But the black duratex looks really classy, they turned out great. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes Tubes have an average life expectancy but what’s the point to running them if no one is there to listen to them. 🙂 Well designed Tube Equipment is very robust so don’t worry about it. I really don’t buy into the leave it on 24/7 even for SS Equipment for best sound as is often advocated by some of the manufacturers. After about 30 minutes most equipment will have reached stable operating temperatures and the sound quality should be at its best IMHO. miketn

Rut roh... WHAT have you just created @Heritage_Head? BOTH are hilarious! lol

Getting my grilling on for the 4th.

=== oh, I don’t know. Kinda like my Black LS1’s next to the Black Jubes/402 next to the Black H3’s adjacent to the Black RB75’s — just sayin’ -

Happy 4th everyone!

I would assume it does include the can. I also assume there is a couple thousand dollars stuffed into the can.

Woofer reveal..... Vitavox! Yeah baby!

Wise man! That would be a great show to see! Get on it!!! I've had my LS cookin ALLLL afternoon around here. New Zep 1, Abraxas, Genesis Seconds Out, Wish You Were Here and now just a lil Marillion! Cranked and I do mean cranked... Sounds soooooo damn good too!!! Workin on a true case of ear fatigue! Could be a love / hate kinda relationship w/the neighbors after tonite! hahahaha Cops will be busy w/the local fireworks traffic soooo.. We GO! 😂 😎

Interesting discussion. I have sent a message through to Roy asking for his comment as to whether or not I should worry about swapping the drivers out. I have a source for Faital HF200 drivers if need be, which Bob Crites and others speak highly of. These would be an additional cost - money that could be spent elsewhere - but if I am seriously behind the 8-ball somehow with the 1132's it might be worth doing. For what it is worth, right at this minute, the 1132's are a huge improvement on the Altec drivers, and are becoming less 'peaky' as break-in continues. I started off by having to dial them back quite a way on the L-Pads, but noticed last night they had mellowed quite a bit, and that I could bring the HF L-Pad back up a few degrees. I had never expected that the 402's would sound so good running as a plug-in replacement for the Altec gear off a stock crossover network. This was only ever intended as a bit of fun, and to be able to have a preliminary listen. As it has turned out however, the sonic signature and presentation of the 402/1132 combo are such that I have experienced a VAST improvement in my listening experience. It amazes me that there is so much synergy happening, with zero input from me (other than L-Pad tweaks). I wonder how much more the active setup with horn bass will bring? Exciting stuff.

An advancing cloud wall comes into view. Window shot.

I celebrate every day that I wake up on the right side of the ground!

I have seen the benefits of the Loki. It’s not just an eq. It has 2db of Gain if I recall. It gives some spin on the ball as they say, that’s a good thing. The ability to pull down or boost up arenas is super helpful.

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Overall vocalist, I don't know, but I can certainly pick a favorite song/vocalist combo. Eva Cassidy's version of Over the Rainbow. Not a tough call for me!

Everyone dies. Five to one baby One in five No one here gets Out alive....

Shirley Horn Melody Gadot London Grammar To name a few others to peruse.

NAH, it's 4:20 somewhere.....................................Rollin' Rock ............