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As you’ve probably heard, there is a move afoot to preserve Paul W. Klipsch’s legacy remaining with Klipsch Group, Inc. I say “remaining” because New Mexico State University obviously has a large portion, and the estate of Valerie Klipsch undoubtedly has a considerable portion. The portion remaining at Klipsch is due in large measure to Paul’s pack rat tendencies. He and the company were as near synonymous as one could imagine for over four decades. Things continue to surface in “nooks and crannies”. In late March, discussions with Christy Luquet got around to the topic of “What happens when Hunter is gone?” This was a result of discussing my impending retirement at the end of this year, as well as my efforts to at least “thin down the herd” of museum holdings in order to make room to locate the paper archives within that building. You know, get all the old crap in one place! Ms. Christy (as you might imagine) suggested that Klipsch should donate the building and contents to a charity that we should form. On 3/31/2016 we held our first exploratory meeting. In attendance were Christy Luquet, Kevin Harmon, Travis Williamson, Dave Mallette, Marshall Muros, Jeff Matthews, Matt Sommers, and me. The “working group” (WoG) for the development of the Klipsch Heritage Museum Association, Inc. was born. Over time the WoG has seen a few members added and/or “retired”, but all contributed considerably while they were involved. Those three are Marshall Muros, Frank Dudek, and Roy Delgado. The past four months have seen an incredible effort by the WoG and Klipsch Group, Inc. to establish something that is every bit a business venture. In this relatively short time we have established our “Mission, Vision, and Goals”, an impressive Board of Advisors, a 20-page set of by-laws, incorporation, and all but a couple of positions on our executive committee and Board of Trustees. On 7/13/2016 the WoG had its final meeting. My 7/20/2016 letter of appreciation to the WoG follows: Direction of the KHMA continues under our Executive Committee: Jim Hunter, President Kevin Harmon, Vice President (President of Vice, as PWK would say) Christy Luquet, Secretary TBD, Treasurer (we do have a couple of leads) with Travis Williamson, Legal Counsel Our Vision statement reads: Our vision is to foster interest in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics through the examples of Paul W. Klipsch. Our mission: The Klipsch Heritage Museum Association’s mission is to restore, preserve, maintain and display Klipsch and Klipsch-related artifacts and archival materials for historic purposes, as well as to conduct pertinent research and to host educational activities and events. Keep an eye on www.klipschmuseum.org. It is just a place-holder currently, but Luther Ward and Chad Wells (Klipsch Group) have big plans under development. Tax exempt status from the IRS will be solicited shortly, which, with approval, will allow us to indicate that your contributions will be “tax deductible to the fullest extent of the law” as Travis would caution us! Until then we will limp along financially. And if you’re in the neighborhood, come see us at the Hope Watermelon Festival August 11-13!

Chilin and playing Trivial Persuit. My daughters boy.

My view this morning.

Mark….awesome deal on the desk. It's nice to know CL isn't completely full of conmen.

Oh I didn't polish them..... I replaced em..... Over the years of working on that Civic I polished them two or three times.... it was time for new ones. As cheap as I can buy aftermarket units I just wasn't polishing them again... MKP :-)

A new vehicle.... 2016 Buick Enclave

Perhaps the most difficult stain project I have ever attempted. This one wore me slick!!! - UHG- It's break time With some imagination, you can almost picture what these beauties are going to look like with the cane grills. -WOW factor- Wait a couple of days for these to cure and here comes the gloss poly Matt ♪ ♫ ♪

Mark....I was about to ask what you used to polish those lens. They look spiffy!

Tomorrow, "Plum Mahogany" ...and if you were wondering how I fab up grill attachment ready to get these babies all wrapped up. Next weekend Matt ♪ ♫ ♪

Do not waste money on Xpa-6 channel amp. Bi amping is a total waste. Extra power gets burned up in the passive crossover. And Xpa-3 will be plenty. Or if you do a lot of stereo listening just get a killer 2 channel amp and let your onkyo run everything else.

Not up on casters but did add 1" rubber feet from PE. I will attempt a close up of the Duratex but don't have a decent camera, just a worn out iphone. Since yours already has a texture to it, I would thin the Duratex with water before rolling on. That way it wont get too much of a grain. Test a small area, possibly on the back, first to see. Mine were bare wood / Bondo before I applied the finish. I also sprayed the dog house as I did not think the roll on finish in that tiny angled area would turn out very well. I used a black laytex and added a little silica to give it a slight texture.

When listening to speaker, alot of what you hear is the room. Imaging is very important to me as well, but perfection here only applies to sweet spot, which is small in most homes when you are only 8-15 feet from the speakers. I heard a friend once say he liked Klipsch because, hey, "a car door shutting, sounds just like a real car door shutting, and when a cell phone goes off in the movie I am reaching for my phone." So supreme dynamics (and low distortion) are also important, especially for movie sound tracks and the room plays a role here as well. Good and controlled directivity is essential. Klipsch cares about all these factors, especially in their three-way designs. Klipsch 3-way designs are all I am interested in. Glad I finally go my Palladiums before they are gone.

It's now really official and we can begin to talk about it. So much to tell you all, and so much is in the works, but here is a start. http://www.klipsch.com/news/klipsch-announces-non-profit-to-manage-klipsch-audio-history-museum

That's some really nice electrical switchgear. Oh, and there's a beach too!

They do indeed! There are a lot of 'what ifs?' with these... if I had room to store them, if I had the ability to keep them all, etc. Alas, when the new comes in, the old must go.

so you are going to replace an al-4 with an aa?

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Let me try to clarify my thoughts because I see many answers that seem to indicate some feel that there is a priority of attributes (frequency, dynamics, etc....) and imaging is one of them to choose from also. Imaging is a result/measure of and not really a choice. Imaging is a result of each of many attributes of a signal/recording being combined by our ear/brain to form an image. There seems to be a direct correlation that every time each of these are reproduced more accurately and preserved and delivered to the listener through the direct path combined/integrated with the room's acoustical path(filter) the imaging will be perceived in a much more realistic and pleasant way. It's not a matter of if someone is has reached a point of happiness or compromise that they can live with for aesthetic or other reasons. Imaging perception is an audible measuring method to know when you are getting the maximum performance from your loudspeaker, room acoustics and their integration. The new room I'm working on now is a good example of this. As I bring the room acoustics into proper balance and optimize the integration of the loudspeaker into the room the results are perceived in the improved imaging and the listener position becomes much less critical of being in the optimum position. If you want the best of any attributes on your list of priorities then Imaging can and should be used as a tool to measure/monitor your progress as you optimize your system/room. miketn

Looks like the McIntosh MA6200 is now Sold...thanks all for your interest... Bill

LOOKING GOOD DUDE......cant wait to see these done......

Those look beautiful….glws.

Every time, about a 1/4 way into these restorations, that is exactly what I am thinking too, Sir Mookie. "Plum Crazy" Luckily, that is just at the point of no return, in more ways than one. Once I finally reach staining, the excitement builds again. Can't wait to see how these turn out! Starting to wonder if this pair will turn into my "keepers" and the Cherry's will go to market? They are going to be NICE! Cane material is on its way from MojoTone. Everything needed for completion on hand. All minor details now - WooHoo !!! Oh wait, not so fast. That BRUTAL cane. I am going to start calling that step "meat tenderizing", my poor nubs Stain update photos this afternoon... Matt ♪ ♫ ♪

Great price. Pack well and remove tweeter driver.

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Thanks! I think I can get a pair of Khorns and a pair of Scalas in the back...

I'm thinking "Plum Crazy" but I know better than to doubt your vision. You've tried many things I wouldn't and they always turn out great. I would imagine that the mahogany and cane will look amazing together. Cant wait to see the finished product.

Thanks for the thoughts. Just hooked up the Heresies and KG 3.5's last night for a test run and was pretty impressed. Of course that was mostly from the Heresies up front. I thought I'd lost the Cornwalls I saw this week, but the first buyer flaked and I picked them up yesterday. $250 for Walnut Oiled finish (needs some restoration), both woofers in need of re-coning. That will cost another $200 but the work will be done by a Klipsch specialist locally who will order OEM parts and do the work right. I cannot wait to get them in a couple of weeks! Darned fine shopping, huh?

Good call having Matt and Jim advise you before buying. That way things like the tweeters don't surprise you. I was on the fence on doing the trim and to be honest, if it wasn't so readily available to me, I probably would not have done it. Once it was on, I definitely prefer it. The official trim with corner pieces does look nicer, but can be hard to find and when you do, they usually want an arm and a leg. I may do the nose of the dog house someday but kinda like the way the bin disappears when painted matt black. Here are a couple photos with and without the trim. (got one right on the rotation this time!)

My littlest turned 2 yesterday so we celebrated with some friends at a local park this morning. Kolaches and coffee for all, with a giant cinnamon roll for the guest of honor! (my 4 year old in the 'Muricha Flag swimsuit in the following pictures, accompanied by cousins and close friends)

Lol, pretty sure it is the new upgrade on the forum for me. Saw where you are getting a Dell w/upgrade at a decent deal. Lightening has got me in Florida before but, goes w/ territory. Hope you get all squared away...

No worries, I was replying to richieb. Sometimes things get lost typing. I knew it wasn't you billybob.

Interesting.... I will say the better my system images the better the emotional connection... "Sonny Boy Williamson" was in my room last night and we had an awesome time...

Imaging is important to me, as it can add to the realism. Much more important, though, is how the speakers make me feel. There are overly-accurate systems that can be boring and lifeless. Music is an emotional experience and the speakers should be able to deliver that emotion. For me, the Altecs and Klipsch I have do that better than any other systems I have heard - including a $500,000 Magico system.

As youthman said, 600 watts will be wasted. Two Hundred is reasonable and about where most of us top out. I would not waste the time bi-amping the speakers either. A lot of tried it and most did not hear a difference. Put any extra money to an avr or subs. This will bring the most improvement after the RC 64 II and RF 7 II's. I use an avr with a modest power amp and feel comfortable power wise. The avr has plenty of power but, I need the amp for Atmos channels. Surround channels don't need as much power as the front 3.

Well the comparison question is much more complex than it might first appear to someone....!!! Can you give an idea of what system comparisons would be helpful to you? I've had many 1st hand experiences with the K-402/KHJ with various HF drivers on the K402. I've owned or experienced most of the Heritage and Klipsch cinema line. I've also listened to many of these systems in multiple rooms of my own as well other environments. So with all that being said I want to add a caution because you see this happen on all forums where opinions about the sound of loudspeakers are discussed. It is extremely important to take into account the listening environment the loudspeaker is placed in. The majority of home listening environments exhibit coloration and masking effects that will prevent a listener from hearing the best reproduction that is possible from any loudspeaker design unless efforts are implemented to control them..!!! So my advice to anyone asking for comparisons of loudspeakers is you must also know all that is possible about the context that leads to the opinions expressed about the reproduction from loudspeakers. miketn

Mornin' gang....where ya'll at??

Welcome to the forums Killer! The RF-7ii and RC-64ii are great speakers. I owned them for years until I bought a pair of LaScalas on a whim and somehow my HT spiraled down the Heritage Rabbit hole of no return. LOL Great amp, but IMO overkill. That would provide more than adequate power to your front sound stage. I think it would be a great choice. I've had the privilege of driving RF-83 / RC-64 and RF7ii / RC-64ii with receivers and adding 200w / ch power amps (Parasound, B&K, and Sherbourn) and I did notice a difference with the amp vs with just a receiver. Better separation of musical instruments, better bass even at low volume and you can crank the speakers to extreme levels without distortion. Was it absolute night and day difference? No. Was it noticeable difference? Absolutely. Once I purchased my first 200 w/ch amp I have never gone back until purchasing the LaScalas. I simply heard zero difference with and without an amp due to their high efficiency. If you are questioning buying the amp, you can always try it without an amp and then if you feel you are missing something or just need to know first hand how much difference it will make, you can add it down the road. Emotiva offers a 30 day Money Back so if you don't feel it's worth the investment, you can always return it. I think so. The law of diminishing return is at work here. Also, it takes 2x the power to gain 3db in volume. So you have to go going from a 300w / ch amp to a 600w / ch amp will give you a whopping 3db gain in volume. I always had my RF-83 / RC-64 with either a receiver or 200w to each speaker....I never tried using power amp on the mains and receiver for the center. Will it be unbalanced? Not as far as levels as your receiver can balance the volume. My hesitation is if you are going to give your mains power, why skimp on the center which is a critical role in movies. If you are going to get an amp, I would at least power the mains and center. Surrounds would be fine being driven by your receiver. Absolutely, most of us build our system over time. We often use what we have until something better comes along down the road. Not necessarily. I ran Velodyne subs with all of my systems for years until I bought a Klipsch RSW-15 and it performed as well as a pair of Velodyne HGS-15's Sold the Velos and now I have 4 RSW-15's. . That's what this forum is about. Feel free to ask all the questions you want. We are here to help (spend your money).

Forgive yourself for whatever decisions you had to make. I leaned that here at this forum and its really true. Not always easy coming into this world and its not always easy to leave it either. Thats just the way it is regardless of any decisions we make.

There is a discrepancy between the version on Klipsch.com And the Klipsch Korner on Audiokarma http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/klipsch-heritage-s-n-dates-code-decoder.147797/ AK shows S/N A=62, B=63, C=64, D=65, (and more) Klipsch Groomlake51 shows A=62, B=63 AND 64. Then D=65, E=66 (and more) +++ Good catch, and whichever is correct WILL make a difference in correctly identifying those years. I don't know which is right. How can we obtain verification?

forte II (and it's always lower case 'f', as in the musical notation)

Good move, to protect this legacy while Jim Hunter is still with the company. There is a wealth of history and knowledge that must be preserved and he's just the guy to spearhead it. Thanks to all those involved with this important project.

Christy is going to list all of those involved up to know, but to keep that history alive and secure for another 75 years is going to take some effort from a lot of people from this Forum. KGI has been so gracious and generous in trusting us with the first factory building and the artifacts. It is up to those who admired PWK, his company and his products to carry the Legend forward. Travis

Here is the text of the release: KLIPSCH GROUP, INC. ANNOUNCES NON-PROFIT TO MANAGE KLIPSCH AUDIO HISTORY MUSEUM BODCAW, AR (July 8, 2016) — Klipsch®, a tech driven audio company, announces today the formation of the Klipsch Heritage Museum Association (KHMA) as a non-profit corporation. The KHMA was established to preserve and study the materials from the Klipsch Museum of Audio History that has stood in Hope, Arkansas since 1979. The Klipsch Museum of Audio History includes the original Klipsch factory and its surrounding property as well as the archives of company founder Paul W. Klipsch. The KHMA’s mission is to preserve for posterity and display the ideas, research, designs, documents, accomplishments, and loudspeakers by Paul W. Klipsch and Klipsch and Associates, as well as to host educational activities and events. “This is an important and necessary step in our quest to preserve the legacy of Paul W. Klipsch who is one of the founding fathers of the audio industry. His genius has stood the test of time, serving as an inspiration to myself and countless others. As we look to the future, it is important that generations to come have the opportunity to learn from his incredible work,” said Paul Jacobs, CEO for Klipsch. Jim Hunter, who will retire at the end of 2016 from Klipsch Group, Inc., will serve as curator of the museum. He has tended to the archives for the past 37 years while serving as the Klipsch Historian as well as a product engineer and program manager. “Our vision for the Klipsch Museum of Audio History is to foster interest in science, technology, engineering and mathematics through the example of Paul W. Klipsch. I was fortunate enough to work alongside him for years and it is truly my pleasure to continue my life-long passion in preserving his genius,” said Hunter. Official efforts to form the KHMA were announced on May 21, 2016 during the annual“Klipsch Pilgrimage” which is a gathering for Klipsch enthusiasts from all over the country. In June 2016, the KHMA was officially incorporated in the state of Arkansas. Later this month, the KHMA plans to establish their bylaws, and solicit tax-exempt status from the Internal Revenue Service The KHMA is not currently soliciting members or funds. Once those capacities are in place, another announcement will be made. For more on the museum and its contents, visithttp://www.klipsch.com/museum.

Agreed. It's due partially to the server. I also know the developers are constantly trying to improve the performance of that feature -- in fact, their latest Beta release (from today) promises great improvements to Activity Streams, so maybe it'll improve over time. It's slow for me as well. The good news is it seems like since the search index is done, just about every other part of the forum is back to "normal", performance-wise.

While no one was looking, I made a little progress on project "Ramen Noodles" Hmmm? Let's see how this new stuff all works... ...well that was easy (forum page, that is) Matt ♪ ♫ ♪

If i drank, probably be ready for a nice whiskey after this pair...In the beginning, always wonder why I do this. Afterwards, no question as to such Matt ♪ ♫ ♪ Afterwards you can't wait to use hour new record changer! That photo plus your forum name says it all ---- just sayin'

parts harvested. Cabinets transported to shop and ready for some grit...

The SYS also has the ability to switch inputs. Take your Source and split the signal to the AVR and the SYS with a splitter, then run the out of the AVR to the other input of the SYS (it's passive so it is not adding anything so no harm here) and you can push the button on the SYS and a/b them pretty closely as you can add the AVR and remove it without unwiring it. Be curious as to what you think... Ok, the SYS came today. Did some A/B testing using Y-splitters coming out of the DAC, with the following two signal paths: 1) DAC --> SYS --> AMP --> LaScala 2 2) DAC --> AVR --> SYS --> AMP --> LaScala 2 I'll be damned if I couldn't tell a lick of difference. My son was pushing the button on the SYS to switch between the paths. I got nothin'. Several different types of music, male vocals, female vocals, loud, soft (both paths volume matched) - no difference. I switched positions with my son figuring his 16-year old ears could detect something. He couldn't tell any difference either. Unless my testing was flawed, or there is a weak link in my chain dumbing things down to the lowest common denominator, or our ears aren't "golden", then my conclusion is my AVR in my setup is not affecting two-channel sound quality. Now, I still may buy a new AVR for other things like room calibration and/or modern features. But I'm in no rush. And I'm also not as concerned about "pure direct" modes, analog stage quality, and A/D/A conversions mucking up my two-channel sound quality. If my 15-year old Yamaha HTR-5250 (about $400 new IIRC) isn't messing up my sound, then a modern AVR certainly shouldn't, and I am more open improvements done in the digital realm by room calibration etc.

That is an awesome idea. When I was in College I helped some guy move and he gave me a free pair of KSB 1.1s. They are now my surrounds with my KG 5.5 setup. Its always cool to do what you can to inspire young people on audio gear an sound quality. Yesterday I sold my old Kenwood speakers to a young kid who just wanted bass and i showed him corner load placement, tune the ports etc and explained how to do the subwoofer crawl when he saved up for one.

^ That's a great idea, I know I'd have loved it if someone gave me any pair of Klipsch.